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謝謝接下來我們請鍾嘉斌委員質詢廖先祥委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:34:57+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T17:34:58+08:00","text":"謝謝院會主席，楊瓊瓔發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:34:58+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T17:34:59+08:00","text":"行政院卓院長所領軍的團隊、新聞界朋友、各位同仁。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:34:59+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T17:35:00+08:00","text":"首先邀請卓院長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-03T17:34:57.431000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:34:58.014000+08:00","text":"麻煩請卓院長備詢。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T17:34:58.014000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T17:35:05.391500+08:00","text":"楊委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:35:05.391500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T17:35:12.769000+08:00","text":"院長好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:35:12.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:35:33.237000+08:00","text":"院長，最近美國關稅的法源變來變去，最高法院也判決違憲，但是川普馬上又端出了一個122條款，我們行政院宣傳的ART，也就是臺美對等貿易協定，現在看來防禦力似乎千瘡百孔。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:35:33.957000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:36:03.536000+08:00","text":"在這樣的情況之下，面對美國這種翻臉如翻書的關稅政策，政府現在都一直說持續溝通，所以本席今天也希望能夠好好討論，也就是行政院針對美國關稅議題，到底我們有怎樣的底氣跟準備，所以我提出了3項防線，我們一起討論。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:36:03.536000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:36:16.323000+08:00","text":"首先，賴總統告訴我們說我們取得了15%且不疊加的好條件，但是川普的122條款是在2月24號就已經生效。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:36:17.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:36:33.735000+08:00","text":"同時我要請問，這一刻臺灣的工具機、機械設備出口到美國，請教到底我們是要適用於ART的不疊加，還是被強迫吞下122條款的15%且疊加？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T17:36:36.212000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:36:41.377000+08:00","text":"我想委員一定是希望我們用最好的，因為這些產業跟委員是最相關的，但是我要跟……","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:36:42.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:36:44.941000+08:00","text":"對，我們一定要好好照顧我們的產業，所以我們要聽政府……","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T17:36:44.941000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T17:36:45.941000+08:00","text":"我要跟委員表示……","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:36:45.782000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:36:49.165000+08:00","text":"讓我們的民眾、讓我們的產業清楚，而不是有不確定感。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T17:36:49.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:36:55.029000+08:00","text":"你剛剛說是不是適用ART，當然不是，因為ART還沒有經過大院的審議，還沒有生效……對啊！","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:36:55.029000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T17:36:57.011000+08:00","text":"因為你們還沒有送進來啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T17:36:57.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:36:57.691000+08:00","text":"所以ART根本沒有生效……","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:36:57.691000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T17:36:59.653000+08:00","text":"對，還沒有送進來啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T17:36:59.653000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:37:14.385000+08:00","text":"這只是你剛剛說的，我們現在的底氣，就是我們在ART當中已經談到了最優惠的待遇，這就是我們現在的底氣，我們要把握這種最優惠的待遇，跟委員一樣，對你選區裡面的所有產業，給他最好的照顧。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T17:37:15.146000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:37:27.919000+08:00","text":"現在生效的是根據122條款的10%+MFN，現在生效的是這個，那麼這個的之前是20%+MFN，所以我們是往下降的。","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T17:37:28.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:37:29.440000+08:00","text":"所以現在工具機是14%……","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T17:37:30.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:37:31.261000+08:00","text":"再加MFN就是14%。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T17:37:32.721000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:37:33.342000+08:00","text":"目前機械業大概是11.5%。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:37:36.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:38:08.891000+08:00","text":"再請教，目前有很多的未確定感，我們也說ART還沒有送進來；第二個，目前我們所謂不疊加的部分，在這個持續過程當中，本席要請教有哪些產業在關稅15%且疊加之下，他的關稅是不減反增？","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:38:09.392000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:38:09.732000+08:00","text":"你們有沒有去盤點過？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T17:38:09.732000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:38:09.752000+08:00","text":"15%不疊加……","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:38:09.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:38:10.052000+08:00","text":"有沒有去盤點過？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:38:10.153000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:38:10.853000+08:00","text":"受影響的產業別中有哪一些有嚴重的影響？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:38:10.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:38:10.853000+08:00","text":"請說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T17:38:20.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:38:26.238000+08:00","text":"我再跟委員確定一下，我們15%且不疊加是還沒有生效的，所以根本沒有實施的……","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:38:26.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:38:27.879000+08:00","text":"好，院長講到這個……","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T17:38:27.879000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:38:30.760000+08:00","text":"20%+MFN降到現在的10%+MFN。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:38:30.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:38:52.080000+08:00","text":"對，所以院長，現在就是您說的，民眾、產業有很多的不確定感，所以行政院、經濟部有沒有針對產業的不確定感，他們因為緊張而導致不知如何投資，這一些產業別你們預計要怎麼做？","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T17:38:52.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:39:38.994000+08:00","text":"第一個，我們請公股銀行為主的金融機構，已經主動用電話詢問中小企業，到底在關稅的變動當中，有哪些需要政府現在啟用我們已經有的產業支持方案予以貸款、予以金融保證協助的，有沒有這些問題，為此已打出數萬通電話，這是金融機構的部分；而經濟部方面，到各地，針對各產業，從過去的產業之旅到現在的關懷之旅，希望讓產業在現在這個衝擊沒有比以前大的情況底下，能不能幫他轉守為攻，讓他能夠吸引更多的訂單，爭取更多的海外資源進來。好。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T17:39:40.529000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:39:49.335000+08:00","text":"報告委員，在去年的時候，因為是20%+MFN，然後關稅就浮來浮去，大家心比較不定，訂單要不要接……對啊！","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:39:49.335000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:39:52.036000+08:00","text":"心比較不定，你講到的這個是真實的面向。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T17:39:52.977000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:40:03.703000+08:00","text":"但是今年因為10%降下來了，後續還會有ART，所以心比較定了啦，所以1月份的訂單就很明顯的增加起來了。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T17:40:05.444000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:40:15.428000+08:00","text":"在這段時間裡面需要我們幫助的我們儘量幫助；需要貸款的部分我們儘量讓他們貸款；需要去國際參展的我們來協助；需要轉型的部分我們來補助他們。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:40:15.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:40:48.135000+08:00","text":"政府當然有責任要全面的協助，尤其我們的傳統產業，占了很多的就業率，這一點是很重要的，因此在這樣的條件之下，還是有很多的不確定感，剛剛卓院長也特別說了，之前我們也一直要求行政院必須要針對傳統產業，協助他們度過難關，所以在這樣的情況之下，本席具體請教，經濟部對產業的支持，目前你們是預計多少？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T17:40:49.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:40:50.732000+08:00","text":"總共是930億，我們經濟部的部分是460億。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:40:50.732000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:41:12.750000+08:00","text":"好，請教院長，剛剛我們從開始的20%，到現在一直講的，這個過程還是一變再變的情況之下，這460億本席認為是不夠的，所以行政院有沒有要再增加金額的規劃？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:41:12.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:41:29.611000+08:00","text":"譬如現有的，要怎麼樣讓他們度過難關，機械買下來了，他們的利息已經要繳不出來了，第一個，我們會不會有專案融資的額度來協助我們的產業？","quality":0.695},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:41:29.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:41:35.698000+08:00","text":"第二個，也就是舊有的利息有沒有減免等項目的規劃？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:41:35.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:41:35.998000+08:00","text":"請說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T17:41:36.599000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:41:50.589000+08:00","text":"我先跟委員說明，我們原來設定產業支持方案的內容，從880億到930億，是依照30%關稅去評估的。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:41:50.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:41:53.170000+08:00","text":"這個是當時我們具體要求的嘛。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T17:41:53.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:42:02.172000+08:00","text":"現在是10%或15%，委員剛剛說你認為不夠，那我希望委員能告訴我們你認為哪裡不夠。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T17:42:02.172000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:42:10.754000+08:00","text":"原來30%的時候，我們訂了880億，後來到930億，現在已經降到15%跟10%，委員說不夠，告訴我們哪裡不夠。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:42:11.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:42:27.737000+08:00","text":"好，院長，經濟部長在這裡，我們知道我們的傳統產業目前是辛苦的，所以我們才要求政府必須要好好的來協助傳統產業，本席剛才所說的，舊有的利息你會不會減免？都有。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T17:42:28.937000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:42:29.978000+08:00","text":"現在是有這些方案。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:42:30.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:42:31.558000+08:00","text":"什麼時候要執行？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T17:42:32.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:42:33.799000+08:00","text":"但是還是有一些條件，比如說他……","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:42:33.799000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T17:42:34.799000+08:00","text":"院長，不可以看得到吃不到嘛！","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T17:42:34.159000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:42:37.180000+08:00","text":"我們除了特別預算之外，本來年度預算中間還有109億的中小微企業的……","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:42:37.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:42:37.580000+08:00","text":"院長，我們要實質的來落實。有。是啊！","qu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"start":"2026-03-03T17:45:47.599000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:45:50.965000+08:00","text":"本席就告訴你了，所以一個重點，不要只有看得到，吃不到，這是很重要……","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T17:45:50.965000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T17:45:51.965000+08:00","text":"我們已經在做了嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:45:51.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:45:51.726000+08:00","text":"我們的傳統產業，務必一定要好好協助他們！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T17:45:51.726000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T17:45:56.400000+08:00","text":"我們現在把申請的門檻降到最低。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:45:56.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:46:10.155000+08:00","text":"所以本席要說的是，因為目前為止，美國關稅體系的法源是隨時可以替換，因此我想行政部門必須要好好的、隨時去應對，對不對？當然。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:46:10.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:46:22.605000+08:00","text":"第二個，國安與產業政策高度政治化的時候，整個貿易的決策，也深受政治選舉與戰略考量的影響，這個也是我們務必要注意的。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:46:23.105000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:46:35.968000+08:00","text":"最後一個，最重要的，也就是不確定性成為常態的時候，我們臺灣企業所面臨到前所未有的營運風險，這是政府的責任，要好好讓他們有靠山，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T17:46:35.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:46:44.950000+08:00","text":"所以我們想把情勢儘快穩定下來，將所有的條件確定下來，讓產業界有所依循，他們就可以大膽的多爭取一些海外的資產。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:46:45.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:46:53.827000+08:00","text":"院長，你現在終於講出真心話，你趕快把它確定，讓我們產業可以安心，這個就是本席一再說的「不確定感」。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:46:54.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:47:08.653000+08:00","text":"因為企業最畏懼的並不是關稅高低的輸贏，我相信我們企業、臺灣的廠商都很有guts，他最怕的是無止境的不確定感，這一點非常的重要。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:47:09.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:47:24.403000+08:00","text":"所以我們深怕今天是IEEPA；明天是122條款；後天再轉回232條款或者是301條款，這是我們所有產業目前不確定感中一個最大的重點。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:47:24.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:47:34.851000+08:00","text":"你點頭了，也就是說，如果這一些現象它是常態化，那臺灣的供應鏈在3到5年量產規劃的時候要如何安排？","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:47:35.499000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:47:43.127000+08:00","text":"尤其整個企業的財務，要如何將大幅度盈虧的變化跟股東交代？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:47:43.788000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:47:55.241000+08:00","text":"所以本席要具體建議，我們的合約裡頭，到底有沒有因為情事變更原則而有退場的條件、退場的條款？","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:47:55.981000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:47:56.121000+08:00","text":"請問卓院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T17:47:57.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:48:00.117000+08:00","text":"我們應該沒有所謂退場的條款在裡面。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔：好，院長回答","start":"2026-03-03T17:48:02.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:48:05.463000+08:00","text":"我們的合約沒有退場的條款。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔：好，院長回答","start":"2026-03-03T17:48:06.684000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:48:10.448000+08:00","text":"這就是我們民間以及產業心所畏懼的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔：好，院長回答","start":"2026-03-03T17:48:14.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:48:40.247000+08:00","text":"我們鄭副也說232條款的半導體，它最惠國待遇不變，但是122條款裡頭打擊的是全面性的商品，所以我們還是要嚴陣以待，就誠如剛才所說的，不夠的、需求的，我們要怎麼樣加碼，這應該是行政院基於照顧我們所有的產業上，大家一致的方向，對不對？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T17:48:40.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:48:54.016000+08:00","text":"是，報告委員，委員非常關心你所處縣市的產業，當然我們心中一直都是為產業爭取最大利益，而美國最高法院的判決，232、MOU條款裡面的優惠待遇是不受影響的。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T17:48:54.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:49:16.095000+08:00","text":"至於傳產農業所攸關的對等關稅，因為IEEPA法源發生變化，變數現在是來自美方，他們的判決以及後續法律工具的重整，我們是去因應這樣的變化，我們要在變動中去鞏固我們產業的利益，鞏固我們取得的談判結果。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T17:49:16.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:49:18.437000+08:00","text":"我不知道委員您支不支持ART生效？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T17:49:18.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:49:19.818000+08:00","text":"因為我想ART生效，對你選區裡的產業是有幫助的，所以委員務必……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:49:22.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:49:24.964000+08:00","text":"對於傳統產業，我們絕對全力的支持。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T17:49:24.964000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T17:49:25.964000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-03T17:49:25.624000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:49:26.826000+08:00","text":"所以本席要提出……","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T17:49:26.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:49:37.258000+08:00","text":"所以我們並不是要退場，我們也不是要重啟談判，我們是要去鞏固既有的談判成果，這才是為我們的傳統產業跟農業的出口爭取到最大的利益。","quality":0.932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