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液態乳"},{"start":196.644,"end":221.113,"text":"美國進口的義太魯,我跟部長也知道我很關心洛農2013年台紐貿易自由協定之後呢我們從2025年去年開始有零關稅,我們的洛農都炒在蛋了結果我們看這幾年來從紐西蘭進口呢其實義太魯是持平,但是進口的冰磚爐大量的提升會不會美國也開放零關稅之後也同樣的紐西蘭之後我們要受到美國義太魯的衝擊"},{"start":222.813,"end":241.767,"text":"我要跟委員說明一件事情,冰磚爐反而是下降你說紐西蘭的冰磚爐下降了?對,就是整個冰磚爐下降,紐西蘭提高,但是澳洲減少的非常多所以以去年來講,整體的液態爐本身,它大概只有0.8%的增幅,大概600多噸部長我們要確認一下,我們要說明,我們講同樣一致"},{"start":245.129,"end":273.84,"text":"因為冰磚爐這個東西是紐澳才有的啦 美國沒有冰磚爐來啦美國跟紐澳都有液態爐 但是冰磚爐只有紐澳結果我們要受痛吃苦的就是冰磚爐啦那冰磚爐我們很關心喔 這幾年有提起來喔你們怎麼確定說 那美國的液態爐要進來也就是說 美國的液態爐是跟紐西蘭的冰磚爐比起來美國的液態爐相對沒有競爭力啦坦白說啦 我們比較不擔心美國的液態爐啦我們比較擔心紐西蘭的冰磚爐啦"},{"start":275.239,"end":285.989,"text":"那去年來講以去年的資料齁整個冰磚堡減少了6.3%那紐西蘭有提高但是澳洲減少了那你預期美國的義太魯零關稅開放進口之後會不會衝擊到紐西蘭的佔有率"},{"start":289.312,"end":306.02,"text":"他們兩個之間會競爭但是不會侵蝕到我們酪農的鮮乳嘛對不對以去年來講我們的政策的實施是對的所以整個的液態乳並沒有增加好 那我要跟你提醒冰磚乳都用在業務乳業務乳就不是消費者自己去買的鮮乳"},{"start":307.02,"end":329.477,"text":"他說放在我們的能飲店啊手搖店啊他在裡面加鮮奶茶其實加的不是鮮奶加的是液態乳的還原乳農業部有什麼對策我們去年就用那個相關的這些手搖飲的店去推我們的鮮乳而且他們用了他們自己的品那限定用本土的酪農的乳才能標示為鮮乳本來是今年七月要上路可不可以提早"},{"start":330.077,"end":357.098,"text":"我想我們現在正在跟衛福部還有跟業者溝通因為去年公布的時候是七月那我們現在看業者本身是不是已經印了那個紙盒如果被託的話可不可以跟我們提前如果說可以的話業者也同意的話我們就願意提前我們也暫時呼籲消費者以後只要是買鮮奶茶鮮奶什麼東東的只要他的商品名品項有寫鮮奶現用本土肉農的鮮奶進口的不管冰磚乳液態乳通通不能用對不對不能標示為鮮奶是而且我們會強調台灣鮮乳唯一選擇"},{"start":360.42,"end":384.421,"text":"另外這個就是我們進口我們的結論就是說美國進口的義太乳其實影響不大我們還是擔心紐西蘭的冰川乳再下來那麼進口零關稅豬肉花生現在零關稅了有沒有影響我想豬肉是減半但是豬肉可以完全放心因為豬肉美國的市占率不到1%第一個部分目前在台灣進口豬肉最大眾的是不是加拿大加拿大而且為什麼"},{"start":385.041,"end":404.78,"text":"美國進口的豬肉 即使降稅到一半 它還是比加拿大多四塊簡單講 美國的豬肉關稅降了 還是打不過加拿大但是台灣的消費市場 加拿大已經緊繃啊不會影響到我們本土豬的銷量對不對市貸率大概百分之五十五到百分之八十八那發生呢大概八十五"},{"start":405.16,"end":423.583,"text":"那花生呢花生本身是我們必須關注的但是我要跟委員分享一下就是雖然說美國進口的價格是比本土產的價格還低但是我們要把價格戰變成價值的競爭請問一下美國進口的是有殼花生 帶殼花生 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我要告訴你目前我們酪農最大的障礙不是酪農的生產技術是來自於小型的爐品加工廠太少"},{"start":517.086,"end":536.984,"text":"因為我們現在三大爐廠四大爐廠壟斷了我們的市佔率他在前面的進料的時候壓低了酪農的進價如果說可以多一點小型的中小型的這個爐品加工廠能夠讓酪農可以就地供應所以目前全台灣不超過20家小型的那個爐品加工廠"},{"start":537.805,"end":559.618,"text":"農業部可不可以支持讓他們提升改善他們的設備來造福我們的酪農我們去年已經在做了就是讓小農的品牌自由品牌能夠提高它的一個效率跟它的市場區隔跟品牌所以你們會繼續的支持我們的酪農跟我們相對的乳品加工廠會好謝謝那接下來我們來問一下來請問一下管部長台積電赴美投資有何效益"},{"start":564.987,"end":582.979,"text":"台積電現在的第一個廠已經開始賺錢了今年所以台積電去美國投產他是賺錢的會回饋他母公司我們看一看台積電董卓衛哲家說美國客戶對AI的需求非常強烈像是蘋果輝達在美國擴大產能他能支持客戶需求"},{"start":583.419,"end":607.626,"text":"他說因為我到美國投資我接近我的客戶的需求端我更能夠及早了解客戶的需求這就是滬美投資的好處你同不同意因為他2024年第一個產2024年開始投產真正的投產因為前面是蓋廠開始投產今年就賺錢所以說去美國投資是接近客戶了解客戶的需求那有沒有辦法加深跟美國的技術合作有"},{"start":608.894,"end":617.571,"text":"那如果說可以掌握客戶需求及早滿足又能夠跟美國合作那台積電到美國投資是不是就是強強聯手佈局全球"},{"start":618.24,"end":642.968,"text":"是我們力量很延伸啦台灣力量很延伸美國的頂尖技術跟台灣的領先製造合作後創造一個飛鴻供應鏈在技術交流的情況之下台灣的技術資金跟美國的品牌跟研發我們有沒有可能來投資第三國來扮演原來台灣或者其他中國的組裝的角色比如說你最近常去哪裡?菲律賓對不對?菲律賓去過"},{"start":645.718,"end":668.868,"text":"亞洲的半導體除了台灣之外就是馬來西亞就是檳城這兩個地方我最近常去我看到那邊非常的旺盛甚至菲律賓要開新的航線指揮越南河內為什麼因為他估計從中國昆山蘇州撤出來到河內的廠商總有一天要飛到菲律賓為什麼飛鴻供應鏈你認為值不值得我們台灣跟美國強強合作佈局全球投資第三國"},{"start":670.25,"end":689.503,"text":"現在已經包括這個產業的相關的工協會已經開始有考量到到菲律賓去做群聚上的一些投資的部長請教一下你最近去了從去年一整年到現在你去了幾次可以講嗎菲律賓我上任以後有去過去過這事不能講見了誰不能講"},{"start":692.819,"end":709.11,"text":"那你覺得未來是不是鼓勵我們台灣的電子相關產業可以及早跟美國合作到菲律賓去佈局運用他那邊比較相對便宜的生產成本跟電力來做組裝來取代過去的中國現在的越南來行銷美國的市場"},{"start":709.898,"end":738.488,"text":"是 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謝謝接下來我們請今天質詢最後一位"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:50:40.762000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:50:45.445000+08:00","text":"主席、在場委員先進、列席的政府機關首長、官員、會場工作夥伴、媒體記者女士、先生。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:50:46.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:50:56.212000+08:00","text":"我想就不用勞駕院長、副院長，因為你們是做決策的人，接下來我要就教於農業部的陳部長，還有請經濟部的龔部長。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-03T17:50:56.212000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T17:50:57.212000+08:00","text":"麻煩請農業部陳部長及經濟部龔部長。","quality":0.062},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:50:56.212000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:51:06.939000+08:00","text":"因為未來他們在政策的執行上，需要我們院裡面來支持，所以院長，你坐在那裡點頭就好了，我們部長做什麼承諾，你就點頭全力支持，好不好？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:51:07.399000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:51:07.840000+08:00","text":"先休息一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:51:08.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:51:18.600000+08:00","text":"來，陳部長、龔部長，我的標題很單純，農安基金要改善設備、強化農業體質，受到政治波及，我們的能源也要求多元、求自主。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:51:19.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:51:21.984000+08:00","text":"先看這3個圖，看到什麼？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:51:21.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:51:24.267000+08:00","text":"有3個產品，陳部長，蝴蝶蘭，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:51:25.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:51:42.369000+08:00","text":"這是我們屏東的蝴蝶蘭，號稱蝴蝶蘭界的台積電，人家是印鈔票，他的蘭花也等於是在印鈔票；另外一個是火鶴花，這位老朋友奮鬥30年，奮鬥很久了；還有一個，那位年輕的帥哥他手上拿著什麼？青蛙。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:51:43.329000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:51:45.050000+08:00","text":"青蛙不是拿來吃的，是觀賞蛙。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:51:45.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:51:53.172000+08:00","text":"部長，猜猜看這個年輕人6年出口觀賞蛙到美國可以賺多少錢？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-03T17:51:53.172000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T17:51:54.172000+08:00","text":"六、七百萬吧？","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:51:53.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:52:01.562000+08:00","text":"六年就3,000萬，六年就3,000萬的觀賞蛙，他現在是美國一般消費者市場裡面最大的供應商。","quality":0.686},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:52:02.422000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:52:10.785000+08:00","text":"請教一下，我們這一次IEEPA，因為我們的關稅優惠得而復失，蝴蝶蘭會不會受影響？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:52:10.785000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:52:14.486000+08:00","text":"我們的觀賞蛙會不會受影響？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:52:14.486000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:52:16.287000+08:00","text":"我們的火鶴花會不會受影響？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-03T17:52:16.287000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:52:20.248000+08:00","text":"這些都是我們爭取專屬豁免的項目。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:52:21.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:52:21.509000+08:00","text":"對，現在還有維持嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-03T17:52:23.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:52:26.548000+08:00","text":"我想ART現在還沒有正式生效嘛。對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-03T17:52:26.548000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:52:31.311000+08:00","text":"但是現在122條款的時候，並沒有這樣專屬優惠的條件。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:52:31.311000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T17:52:32.311000+08:00","text":"是的，怎麼辦？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-03T17:52:31.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:52:40.297000+08:00","text":"所以是10%，但是相對於去年的20%，它還是比較有相對的競爭力，特別是在122條款裡面……","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:52:40.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:52:48.483000+08:00","text":"去年20%是個地獄；今年10%來到人間，有沒有機會是0%上天堂，有沒有辦法支持業者？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-03T17:52:49.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:52:56.830000+08:00","text":"我想零關稅在ART裡面的內容，我們一定會去確保，它並沒有不見，我們現在正在跟美國確認跟溝通。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:52:57.331000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:53:06.100000+08:00","text":"有沒有做一個最壞的打算，萬一不能回復到0%，還是維持10%的時候，對這些能夠出口賺外匯的業者，他的競爭力，你怎麼去支持他？","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-03T17:53:06.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:53:13.002000+08:00","text":"我想我們農安基金還是會持續地去支持，包括農業部的本預算還是會持續。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:53:13.002000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T17:53:14.702000+08:00","text":"怎麼支持？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-03T17:53:14.702000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:53:23.985000+08:00","text":"以蝴蝶蘭來講，基本上，第一個部分，我們現在的花創中心已經把我們的產業園區跟研究單位結合在一起。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:53:24.70500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T17:56:14.123000+08:00","text":"我們現在正在跟衛福部及業者溝通，因為去年公布的時候是7月，我們現在看業者本身是不是印製的紙盒……","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:56:14.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:56:15.885000+08:00","text":"如果備妥的話，可不可以讓我們提前？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-03T17:56:16.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:56:18.306000+08:00","text":"如果說可以的話，業者也同意的話，我們就願意提前。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:56:18.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:56:31.096000+08:00","text":"好，我們也在此呼籲，消費者以後只要是買鮮奶茶、鮮奶什麼東東的，只要它的商品名、品項有寫「鮮奶」，限用本土酪農的鮮奶，進口的不管是冰磚乳、液態乳，通通不能用，對不對？","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:56:31.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:56:31.797000+08:00","text":"不能標示為鮮奶？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-03T17:56:32.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:56:33.098000+08:00","text":"對，是，而且我們會強調「臺灣鮮乳、唯一選擇」。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:56:33.098000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T17:56:38.642000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:56:38.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:56:43.026000+08:00","text":"我們的結論就是美國進口液態乳其實影響不大，我們還是擔心紐西蘭的冰磚乳。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:56:43.186000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:56:49.291000+08:00","text":"再下來就是進口零關稅，豬肉、花生現在零關稅了，有沒有影響？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-03T17:56:49.291000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:56:55.577000+08:00","text":"我想豬肉是減半，但是豬肉可以完全放心，因為豬肉美國的市占率不到1%，這是第一個部分。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-03T17:56:55.577000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T17:56:56.577000+08:00","text":"第二個部分……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:56:56.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:56:58.559000+08:00","text":"以前占臺灣進口豬肉最大宗的是不是加拿大？","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-03T17:56:58.979000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:56:59.880000+08:00","text":"加拿大，而且……","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:57:00.401000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:57:00.421000+08:00","text":"為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-03T17:57:01.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:57:08.028000+08:00","text":"美國進口的豬肉，即使降稅到一半還是比加拿大多4塊。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:57:08.028000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:57:10.590000+08:00","text":"簡單講，美國豬肉關稅降了還是打不過加拿大。對。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:57:11.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:57:16.636000+08:00","text":"但是臺灣的消費市場，加拿大已經「盡磅」，不會影響到我們本土豬的銷售，對不對？","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-03T17:57:16.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:57:17.957000+08:00","text":"我們的市占率大概55%到85%。","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:57:21.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:57:21.621000+08:00","text":"好，那花生呢？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-03T17:57:22.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:57:36.419000+08:00","text":"花生本身是我們必須關注的，但是我要跟委員分享一下，雖然美國進口的價格是比本土產的價格還低，但是我們要把價格戰變成價值的競爭。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:57:36.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:57:41.847000+08:00","text":"請問一下美國進口的是有殼花生、帶殼花生，還是脫殼花生？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-03T17:57:42.007000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:57:46.350000+08:00","text":"他現在進來的是調製花生，他的去殼花生都沒有進口。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:57:46.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:57:54.195000+08:00","text":"簡單講，如果進來的不是帶殼花生，不影響我們一般的零售消費市場，但如果是脫殼花生，是食品加工在使用。是。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:57:54.855000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:58:14.706000+08:00","text":"如果關稅越少成本越低，食品加工業者賣給消費者價格就越低，所以我這邊要強調一點，要讓消費者知道，美國的農產品進口臺灣關稅下降，如果不影響到本土農民的銷售，而是降低了我們食品加工業者的成本，反而是消費者得利，你同不同意？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-03T17:58:15.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:58:39.903000+08:00","text":"一部分是這樣子，但是我要特別強調，花生的部分，我們一定會扭轉目前整個花生的產業結構，我不要再讓花生曬乾的地方是用馬路來曬乾，所以我們會用濕莢的方式去調整產業結構，我要讓花生變成一個有價值的產業，所以我們未來會從價格戰、價格的競爭轉換成價值的競爭。好。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:58:41.384000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:58:43.988000+08:00","text":"接下來是農安基金，請問農安基金可以用來補貼價格嗎？","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-03T17:58:46.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:58:47.845000+08:00","text":"我們是希望去……","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:58:47.865000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:58:51.809000+08:00","text":"我先問一下，農安基金如果用來補貼價格是違反國際貿易的啦！是。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:58:52.309000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:58:54.030000+08:00","text":"那你農安基金要用在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-03T17:58:54.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:59:00.876000+08:00","text":"我們基本上會用在整個產業結構的調整上面去協助它，提升它的效率。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:59:01.016000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:59:04.179000+08:00","text":"具體來講，是不是協助改善農民的生產設備？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:59:04.179000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:59:05.860000+08:00","text":"譬如說酪農，對不對？對。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:59:05.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:59:12.546000+08:00","text":"好，我要告訴你，目前我們酪農最大的障礙不是酪農的生產技術，是來自於小型的乳品加工廠太少。是。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:59:13.086000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:59:31.003000+08:00","text":"因為現在三大乳場、四大乳場，壟斷了我們的市占率，他在前面進料的時候，壓低了酪農的進價，如果可以有多一點小型的、中小型的乳品加工廠，能夠讓酪農可以就地供應……目前全臺灣小型的乳品加工廠不超過20家……是。","quality":0.816},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:59:33.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:59:38.588000+08:00","text":"農業部可不可以支持，讓他們提升、改善他們的設備，來造福我們的酪農？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-03T17:59:38.588000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:59:46.132000+08:00","text":"我們去年已經在做了，就是讓小農品牌、自有品牌能夠提高它的效率、市場區隔跟品牌價值。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:59:46.252000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:59:50.435000+08:00","text":"所以你們會繼續支持我們的酪農跟我們相對的乳品加工廠？會。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:59:50.435000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:59:50.975000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T17:59:51.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T17:59:55.598000+08:00","text":"接下來，請問一下龔部長，台積電赴美投資有何效益？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T18:00:02.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:00:02.968000+08:00","text":"台積電……對啊！","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:00:02.968000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T18:00:03.968000+08:00","text":"到美國投資有沒有好處？","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T18:00:03.968000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T18:00:04.968000+08:00","text":"台積電……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:00:04.968000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T18:00:05.968000+08:00","text":"有人說掏空臺灣啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T18:00:03.228000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:00:04.469000+08:00","text":"不是，台積電的第一個廠今年已經開始賺錢了……","quality":0.632},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:00:04.469000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T18:00:05.510000+08:00","text":"好，整體來講……","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T18:00:05.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:00:10.113000+08:00","text":"所以台積電去美國投產是賺錢的，會回饋到母公司。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:00:10.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:00:27.501000+08:00","text":"好，我們看一下，台積電董座魏哲家說，美國客戶對AI的需求非常強烈，像是蘋果、輝達，在美國擴大產能能支持客戶需求，他說因為到美國投資，能接近客戶需求端，就更能夠及早了解客戶的需求，這就是赴美投資的好處，你同不同意？","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T18:00:27.741000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:00:35.644000+08:00","text":"對，他第一個廠於2024年開始真正投產，因為前面是蓋廠，開始投產後，今年就賺錢了……","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:00:35.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:00:43.606000+08:00","text":"所以去美國投資是為了接近客戶，了解客戶的需求，那有沒有辦法加深跟美國的技術合作？有。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:00:45.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:00:54.240000+08:00","text":"如果可以掌握客戶的需求、及早滿足，又能夠跟美國合作，那麼台積電到美國投資，是不是就是強強聯手、布局全球？是。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:00:54.240000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T18:00:55.240000+08:00","text":"好，我們往下看，布局全球……","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T18:00:54.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:00:58.521000+08:00","text":"我們力量可以延伸，臺灣力量延伸。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:00:59.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:01:14.647000+08:00","text":"目前美國的頂尖技術跟臺灣的領先製造合作後，創造一個非紅供應鏈，在技術交流的情況之下，臺灣的技術、資金跟美國的品牌及研發，我們有沒有可能投資第三國，扮演原來臺灣或者其他、中國的組裝角色？","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:01:14.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:01:16.768000+08:00","text":"比如，你最近常去哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:01:16.768000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:01:18.468000+08:00","text":"菲律賓，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T18:01:18.468000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:01:18.948000+08:00","text":"菲律賓去過。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:01:18.948000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T18:01:19.948000+08:00","text":"可不可以透露？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:01:18.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:01:18.968000+08:00","text":"可以啦！去過。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:01:21.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:01:32.222000+08:00","text":"亞洲的半導體，除了臺灣之外，就是馬來西亞、就是檳城，這兩個地方我最近常去，我看到那邊非常的旺盛，甚至菲律賓要開新的航線，直飛越南河內，為什麼？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:01:32.222000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:01:38.945000+08:00","text":"因為他估計從中國崑山、蘇州撤出來到河內的廠商，總有一天要飛到菲律賓，為什麼？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:01:38.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:01:39.786000+08:00","text":"非紅供應鏈。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:01:39.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:01:44.868000+08:00","text":"你認為值不值得臺灣跟美國強強合作、布局全球，投資第三國？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T18:01:46.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:01:54.416000+08:00","text":"現在包括產業相關的公協會已經開始考量到菲律賓去做群聚上的一些投資，我們……","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:01:54.756000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:01:58.579000+08:00","text":"部長，請教一下，你從去年一整年到現在去了幾次？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:01:58.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:02:00.400000+08:00","text":"可以講嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T18:02:00.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:02:04.082000+08:00","text":"我上任以後有去過菲律賓。去過？對。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:02:04.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:02:04.443000+08:00","text":"次數不能講？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:02:04.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:02:05.503000+08:00","text":"見了誰不能講？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T18:02:05.503000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T18:02:08.819000+08:00","text":"該見的人都有見到。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:02:08.819000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:02:15.804000+08:00","text":"都見到了，那麼你覺得未來是不是鼓勵臺灣的電子相關產業可以及早跟美國合作，到菲律賓去布局？","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:02:16.344000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:02:25.110000+08:00","text":"運用他們那邊比較相對便宜的生產成本跟電力來做組裝，以取代過去的中國、現在的越南來行銷美國市場？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T18:02:25.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:02:49.466000+08:00","text":"是，我們當然還是要尊重廠商自主的意願，如果他們有表達那樣的意願的話，我們就會協助他們，不管是行政上的協處，或者是幫忙跟菲律賓溝通，爭取到比較好的條件，比如投資的地方（location），然後他有什麼樣的條件，還有行政上的協處，這個我們是可以幫忙的。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:02:49.706000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:02:50.907000+08:00","text":"簡單來講，我不是叫你報股市明牌啦！","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:02:51.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:02:54.488000+08:00","text":"我今天是問你，如果要去菲律賓布局投資，你會不會推薦？","quality":0.696},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T18:02:55.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:02:58.893000+08:00","text":"菲律賓是我們的政策其中很重要的一環，沒有錯。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:02:58.893000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:02:59.693000+08:00","text":"很好，可以了，我們往下看。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:03:00.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:03:09.538000+08:00","text":"按照臺灣在野黨的晶片國安法，你覺得會對我們的晶片或半導體產業產生什麼影響？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:03:09.538000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:03:15.321000+08:00","text":"國會亂擋，限制設廠規模、設定生產比例，出去還要報告、跨部會審查，你覺得這可以嗎？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T18:03:15.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:03:35.720000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們現在的投審機制，我個人覺得還算蠻完備的，每一個廠去對外投資的時候，我們都要考量他會不會涉及到國家安全；第二個，對整體產業利益到底影響是怎麼樣；第三個，他在國內的相對投資，還有技術投資的情況。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:03:35.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:03:39.949000+08:00","text":"所以簡單的結論，晶片國安法沒有必要，我們現在做的就已經夠了？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T18:03:40.329000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:03:59.287000+08:00","text":"對，我覺得，因為總統對外一直講的就是立足臺灣、布局全球及行銷全世界，這三個話是要一起講的，如果只有立足臺灣而沒有布局全球、沒有行銷全世界，立足臺灣是沒有辦法成立的。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:03:59.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:04:10.517000+08:00","text":"如果按照在野黨的說法，弄了一些晶片國安法，我們的產業會錯失先機，企業不敢留下來，而且夥伴會喪失信任，未來高科技產業赴美投資或對外投資變成要在野黨同意，你覺得這合理嗎？","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T18:04:12.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:04:22.080000+08:00","text":"我覺得還是要回歸產業上、專業上來判斷，就是我們剛才講的，國家安全跟整體產業利益，還有國內的相對投資跟技術布局。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:04:22.621000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:04:29.885000+08:00","text":"為了避免你得罪在野黨黨團的領袖，下面是我的意見：對外投資要管制、總召進京免申報。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:04:29.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:04:46.157000+08:00","text":"這是我們看到的荒謬情況，國民黨總召傅崐萁開議前赴中領旨成例行公事，公督盟說國民黨團應該要公布考察報告，他不講，結果他們居然主張晶片國安法，跟政府資金無關的這些高科技產業要跟他們報告，這是荒謬之極啊！","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:04:48.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:04:54.344000+08:00","text":"只准傅總召進京，不准高科技聯強，這個是我的意見。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:04:54.344000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:04:59.248000+08:00","text":"好，往下看，最大的LNG來源國卡達最近傳出停產，怎麼辦？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:04:59.248000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:05:00.669000+08:00","text":"能源自主、能源危機怎麼辦？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T18:05:00.669000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T18:05:02.735000+08:00","text":"這是暫時危機沒有錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:05:02.735000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:05:09.923000+08:00","text":"目前波灣的產量占全世界一半以上，是不是占我國的八成，有沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T18:05:10.664000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:05:12.806000+08:00","text":"沒有，如果以天然氣來講，天然氣比較多……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:05:13.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:05:14.709000+08:00","text":"所以我們現在分散採購了嘛，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T18:05:14.709000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:05:24.926000+08:00","text":"大概30%左右，就是要經過荷姆茲海峽的，而我們現在3月份的來源已經確保了。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:05:25.286000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:05:29.427000+08:00","text":"所以臺灣其實並沒有天然氣集中從波灣進口的風險？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:05:29.748000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:05:39.370000+08:00","text":"接下來我要問你一個問題，如果我們的天然氣接收站量能不足，遇到波灣他們那邊不出貨，別的地方加強出貨，我們沒有東西接，怎麼辦？","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:05:39.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:05:41.311000+08:00","text":"這些進度跟設備來得及完工嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T18:05:41.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:05:52.422000+08:00","text":"所以我們現在一直到四接，還有三接的部分，就是希望能夠擴充它的儲藏量，但是我們還是要跟附近的居民溝通。","quality":0.696},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:05:52.882000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:05:54.463000+08:00","text":"所以希望你們把握進度，不要耽擱。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:05:54.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:06:06.648000+08:00","text":"最後一個問題就是能源自主，我現在看到報載，台灣中油失職，地熱完全沒有進度，是不是可以承諾一個目標，什麼時候地熱開發能夠補足國家的能源缺口？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T18:06:07.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:06:09.929000+08:00","text":"它也不是沒有進度，是打下去以後覺得溫度還不夠高……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:06:09.929000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T18:06:15.035000+08:00","text":"我了解，這種事情要看運氣，但是經濟部能不能訂下目標，希望能跟院長承諾地熱發電要加速研發，可不可以？","quality":0.273},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T18:06:15.035000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T18:06:20.141000+08:00","text":"可以，我們會加速。","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-03T18:06:20.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:06:20.982000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-03T18:06:20.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:06:25.348000+08:00","text":"謝謝鍾佳濱委員質詢，謝謝兩位部長備詢。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-03T18:06:25.348000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T18:06:28.172000+08:00","text":"接下來我們請今天最後一位委員質詢，請登記第22號的廖先翔委員質詢。","quality":0.414}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}