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我知道過去有像是CTD啊或者是像那個Wi-Fi啦其實然後那個農業部這邊都有做了一些努力啊也有一些進展喔那其實我們最近比較談到的就是這些遠洋運工要不要適用一些國內的勞動法啦當然有比較多的學者也許他們會講到勞基法啦那當然我是採一個比較中性的是不是有可能我們現在的災保法有可能適用就像我們現在的"},{"start":1429.553,"end":1447.083,"text":"這個家庭的照顧的移工一樣家事移工的部分他雖然不適用勞基法他也有可能有災保的保障不曉得部長覺得怎麼樣我跟委員報告一下就是說漁業的勞動的權益的保障是我們共同的一個目標那但是因為遠洋漁業是在境外僱用境外解僱"},{"start":1447.844,"end":1462.161,"text":"所以他在很多監管方面來講就是會比較困擾所以我們現在正在跟環境跟勞動部在討論說有沒有一個更好更有效率的能夠確保我們遠洋漁業的一個勞動的一個權益這是我想我們最核心的一個價值"},{"start":1462.782,"end":1490.241,"text":"所以我希望藉由這一次阿特的簽署能夠真的讓不管是大家對我們一般的移工製造業的移工或者是我們遠洋的移工能夠藉由這樣子我們跟美國簽訂的阿特基本上會有一些長途的發展文書我們也很希望阿特送到立法院以後真的是希望朝野委員可以一起來支持因為這裡面的確會有很多不只是對我們經貿上有幫助也對我們整體的人權都很有幫助的重要的共識的條文"},{"start":1491.343,"end":1510.652,"text":"好那另外當然這個我在要來立法院之前有非常多的勞工或勞團他們其實一直在這個應該說敦促我一直要來問這個事情就是現在勞工的退休的保障的部分我想這個應該是很多人大概都知道"},{"start":1511.272,"end":1531.042,"text":"那我們現在退休裡面分為兩部分一部分當然就是老保的這個所謂老年年金另外一就是勞退我們現在看老保的部分其實這個大家都知道我們現在少子女化這個所謂的幾富制其實這個財務其實有很多的問題而且這個老的人越來越多少子女化年輕人越來越少"},{"start":1532.483,"end":1542.585,"text":"就這個不管是勞動部還是行政院這邊對於這個除了撥補以外啦對於這個勞保的這個他的一個基金的一個運作狀況有沒有什麼一些想法"},{"start":1544.452,"end":1569.186,"text":"跟委員報告其實在勞保的財務上面當然大家都很關心那我們也非常非常盡力要不斷的監測這個勞保財務的情況就目前應該是在115年的1月最新1月底我們看到現在勞保基金其實的累積其實已經到了一兆快4000億一兆3900多億了那這都是逐年從109年開始撥補"},{"start":1571.727,"end":1593.664,"text":"然後還有包括我們在投資的效益也很不錯累積起來這其實也到了一個勞保財務的新高但我們不會因為這樣就是很樂觀我們不是這個態度因為的確未來都還是會有很大的挑戰但也因為這樣其實我們在上個會期其實也修了勞保條例把政府的撥補包括最終責任的概念也把它修到法規裡"},{"start":1594.684,"end":1614.615,"text":"所以當然接下來對於勞保整體的改革我想我們會密切關注啦但的確相對應如果要更進一步的改革比方說涉及到給付涉及到這個費率的話的確會需要社會有更多的一個共識尤其他牽涉到勞工的權益那對於牽涉到勞工權益的部分我們都會特別謹慎"},{"start":1616.016,"end":1643.258,"text":"那當然另外一個就是這個啦老退的部分啦我想部長應該也常常聽到非常多的勞團他在做這個倡議啦因為現在利用趴他們覺得說很久了很久都沒有調整了然後相對於其他國家來說這個就是固定固體的那個部分啦其實很多的勞團都在倡議說是不是要提高啦那其實我們黨也有在第四屆的時候也提過這個問題啦那不曉得這個市長這邊有沒有想要說就是這個"},{"start":1643.959,"end":1660.692,"text":"我想非常多老闆非常非常殷切的期盼想要知道說到底其實6%是法規要求的最低標準我說僱主提撥6%是法規其實現在我看到越來越多的企業他提撥超過6%甚至他可能是"},{"start":1661.352,"end":1690.016,"text":"是企業跟工會之間用團體協約的方式來去協議超過6%的部分那其實我們也跟金管會合作那把這個超過6%的部分其實列為其實一些企業治理的這個永續治理相關的指標其實我們把它給列進去那這都讓很多企業其實越來越關注也越來越有動機去把這個地板可以再往上拉高的狀況那的確當然大家在關心包括有沒有要用修法的方式來把這個地板再拉高"},{"start":1690.436,"end":1712.652,"text":"那我覺得這部分的意見我們是很願意來聆聽各界的意見啦尤其是勞工但的確這也會涉及到企業上面的意見那我們也很願意來聆聽各界的意見那針對這個問題大家來做一些討論因為勞工的退休的生活他的經濟安全我想勞工部一定是最關注我認為行政院也是很關注因為越南已經好幾次都非常非常關注這個問題所以"},{"start":1714.033,"end":1734.579,"text":"在相關的做法上面我覺得我們可以有一個比較整體是可以有一個比較整體性的思考那把各界的期待來做一個總體上面的意見的交換我覺得這個是我們是可以來討論的所以部長那個有關字體的部分有沒有想說可以給一些比較獎勵的方案或支持的方案我說字體必須要那個6%的部分"},{"start":1736.219,"end":1761.969,"text":"我跟委員報告 我們其實的確現在有在研議因為其實如果勞工願意自提尤其是這幾年看到這個勞退基金的這個勞退的這個投資的效益真的是很不錯其實真的可以對勞工的退休金有更多的幫助所以我們其實現在也在研擬一個更加鼓勵大家自提的方案尤其是因為現在真的比較多自提的還是薪水比較高的那一段"},{"start":1762.489,"end":1785.63,"text":"那薪水比較低的一些勞工,他覺得自提的誘因可能比較低一點所以我們怎麼樣來設計,能夠讓一些薪水相對比較不那麼高的勞工也有誘因跟動機,更多的誘因跟動機來自提,鼓勵大家來自提其實我想我們也在研擬相關的政策市政委報告三個原則,第一個我們想保障退休勞工,退休之後生活當中最基本的"},{"start":1786.611,"end":1811.445,"text":"能夠安頓他的生活的要條件第二個也不想在勞工的繳費的過程當中增加他的任何的負擔跟辛苦所以第三個我們希望從企業來著手企業如果能夠增加這個最低的標準往上提升的話在企業將來永續發展的這個公司治理上面可以給他獎勵那後續還有勞動部更進一步的作業要做鼓勵自體我們會來研擬相關讓大家誘因更高"},{"start":1812.145,"end":1837.781,"text":"好 感謝那當然最後啦因為我來自嘉義啦我在中正大學嘛那基本上我想地方上對這個聯絡這個所謂的高鐵跟嘉義市的這個輕軌其實這個非常殷切的期盼啦我想這個其實有一些大家這個出錢分配的問題啦那我在這裡也沒有要再這個講這件事情那希望大家協力啦共同促成這個事情不過各縣市還有很多重大的"},{"start":1842.844,"end":1845.512,"text":"好 謝謝王翔委員的質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長備詢 謝謝"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}