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台灣在外交上是贏的啊為什麼有人這麼跳腳 他們認為輸在哪裡我們應該是高興我們的隊伍贏了除非他們不是聽台灣 除非他們跟台灣不同隊如果他們的心不在台灣這邊 這會讓大家非常的失望所以我還是堅決的支持啦 這個也肯定院長不管你是用什麼樣的方式現任的行政院能夠到日本去 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十六園這樣的方向有機會來完成嗎就是從十四條到十六園我們朝這個方向來規劃 朝這個方向來努力對 我們朝這個方向來規劃我們看看 剛公會來辦這些勞健保業務它的負擔降低了以及我們剛剛說過 兼顧到政府的財政情況幾下那麼勞動部如果能夠在經費上 預算上能夠合理的把它找出來 這個預算不會排擠到其他的"},{"start":441.707,"end":459.859,"text":"只要他提出來我們認真討論 我想這個是對勞動部可以支持可以 謝謝院長 謝謝謝謝部長 謝謝其實要請教一下其實財務法整個修法之後對高雄南台灣不只高雄傷害很大台南高雄屏東幾乎都是重災區那裡面其實讓高雄實質損失了174億包括"},{"start":462.361,"end":489.483,"text":"捷運台北很多都已經完成了而高雄這幾年包括黃線包括紅線南沿 紅線北沿都快速在興建當中但是少了這些中央的支持的經費今年會少掉了103億這個部分院長能不能給予高雄更多的支持就是一方面當然財化法我們應該盡速來通過院版一方面也希望在財政上面能夠給予現在很努力在推動的中南部的縣市給予更多經費上的支持院長可以嗎"},{"start":490.583,"end":509.273,"text":"從這麼多年以來從各個大縣市來興辦捷運都得到中央很多的協助其實捷運是一個地方應辦的事項但是因為考量到地方的財政能力所以中央都大幅度的來做一些補助支持地方但是財化法這一次財化法的修訂"},{"start":510.273,"end":533.82,"text":"卻讓中央失去了這樣一個調節的能力那我認為這個對於已經捷運發展的城市是好的但還沒有發展的城市會變成不公平已經發展的其實是台北市嘛那還沒有發展的城市那就沒有辦法跟過去一樣得到中央這麼大的協助完全要靠地方那就只有兩個情況一個就是時間拉長一個就是計畫改變"},{"start":535.06,"end":549.806,"text":"那這個都對地方傷害蠻大的我要請這個對中南部也非常的不公平所以可以啊 拜託院長跟院長這邊而且還有很多已經在計畫中的還沒有展開的計畫中 設計中的那現在都有一點停頓是不是請部長說明好 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各位部長在一個月內給我一個你們的時程表好不好就至少一個初步你們的規劃不管他是十年或是多長時間都可以但是至少有一個初步的規劃出來我們知道政府有朝這個方向在前進好不好好 謝謝那再來再請教國道7號也謝謝院長的大力支持這國道7號對高雄發展很重要"},{"start":834.83,"end":857.487,"text":"但是現在國道西岸只從小港到仁武而已但是在往北的時候其實就沒有了那其實它變成要匯集回到國一那現在國一的岡山段到台南段非常的擁捨幾乎上下班大賽車能不能請院長跟部長也提早來規劃北沿到台南讓台南高雄兩個雙城市之間的連結更加的便利"},{"start":858.899,"end":874.118,"text":"好 報告委員目前國道一號的這個拓寬跟改善案您也應該知道因為確實台南跟高雄跟岡山之間的這一段車流量相當相當的大所以我們在國道一號有在做拓寬的計畫那國道七號我們也準備要動工了"},{"start":874.639,"end":896.418,"text":"那委員看得更前瞻就是說未來在國道7號往南蓋好之後有沒有可能再往北延我覺得這個對整個台南跟高雄的都市的整體發展來講是有需要的那我們也來做這方面的研析再跟委員報告因為這個也跟院長跟部長講過很多次其實從北高雄到台南之間其實用色的非常厲害從南池到岡山"},{"start":897.698,"end":921.59,"text":"橋頭 岡山一路幾乎是長塞車 大塞車的那萬一發生了重大事件因為它南北向少掉一個連結那我們當時也希望高架那高架有它一些徵收上的困難所以目前大家評估上比較可行是有國七往北延伸到台南那這樣就會有台六十一 國一 國七 國三這樣的方向的話讓台南跟高雄兩大都會間更加的便利也希望院長跟部長來大力支持啦好不好 技術來評估 技術來規劃"},{"start":923.271,"end":926.599,"text":"好的 我請交通部馬上來評估後續的可能性"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-10T11:48:54.153000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:48:54.453000+08:00","text":"謝謝韓院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-10T11:48:54.453000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:48:54.773000+08:00","text":"請卓院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-10T11:48:54.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:48:55.154000+08:00","text":"麻煩再請卓院長備詢。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-10T11:48:55.154000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T11:49:05.913000+08:00","text":"卓院長辛苦了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T11:49:05.913000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T11:49:16.672000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-10T11:49:16.672000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:49:35.797000+08:00","text":"我先請教一下，這兩天大家討論很多的，現任行政院院長到日本去，這絕對是臺日關係的一大突破，也是臺灣全體人民感到非常地興奮跟高興的，我不知道院長怎麼看，為什麼好像有在野黨立委感到不高興？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T11:49:37.637000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:49:56.661000+08:00","text":"因為這是我私人的行程，也不需要得到大家太多的關注，但是假日私人自費的一個行程，為我們的國家隊加油，很多人都想這麼做，我當然是假日有這個機會這麼做，我想大家應該朝好的方向想比較好。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-10T11:49:56.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:50:18.395000+08:00","text":"無論院長是自費或公費，現任的行政院院長能夠到日本去就是臺、日關係上很重大的突破，我相信院長也很清楚，如果沒有得到日本高層同意的話是不可能成行的，我們都很清楚，表示臺、日關係是得到一個很好的進展，院長應該同意這樣的看法吧？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T11:50:18.415000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:50:46.598000+08:00","text":"我還是說明內部的航班等等是照一般的程序申請，另外日方也是依照一般的程序申請，我們沒有特別的什麼關係或是了解到內部有什麼特別的程序，但是這次也很感謝日方能夠給予我們所有相關的協助，我認為日本方面對我們的國家隊也相當地尊敬，所以當我們提出要去為國家隊加油的時候，大概大家是有共同的興趣之所在吧！","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-10T11:50:47.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:51:34.977000+08:00","text":"院長，現任的行政院院長能夠到日本去，這就是一件不容易的事情，我知道院長必須保持低調，也必須保持日本與大家的默契與關係，但是我還是強調臺灣利益應該是一體的，當我跟日本的關係如此地友好，我們現任的行政院院長可以到日本的時候，大家應該都要感到振奮，也許大家保持低調，但是這絕對是一個外交上一個重大的成果，我認為朝野各政黨應該一起來支持，自費絕對是很特殊考量下的思考，但是無論如何，現任的行政院院長……院長，如果你現在不是院長的話，我相信你一定會為臺灣任何一個政黨，包括國民黨的行政院院長能夠到日本去，我認為你也會感到驕傲與振奮，院長同意這樣的看法嗎？","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T11:51:34.977000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:51:48.821000+08:00","text":"我不僅希望能夠代表中華民國政府高層人員去國外做正式的訪問，我們更歡迎其他各國重要的政治領導人也能夠到臺灣來，看看臺灣民主自由進步發展的情形。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-10T11:51:49.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:52:33.194000+08:00","text":"這應該是我們臺灣走向世界最正向、最好的一個作法，所以這樣的事情，其實在野黨不應該在所謂的細節上面糾結，這樣的糾結很容易讓大家覺得你跟中共是站在同一個陣線，這件事情最生氣的是中共，他不希望臺、日關係升溫；不希望臺、日關係變好，但是反倒連在野黨都還跟中共站在同一個陣線，在挑一些小毛病、在挑很多默契下不能做的事情時，我認為其實是傷害了臺灣的國家整體利益，我們希望在野黨應該要節制、約束自己的行為，應該以國家利益為重，如果讓現任的行政院院長到日本去，還必須要用自費或用各種方式的話……只是為了希望能夠走出更多臺灣外交的道路，這樣的苦心與用心應該要得到全體國民與朝野政黨的支持。","quality":0.768},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T11:52:33.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:52:38.017000+08:00","text":"我相信在說明之後大家能夠理解，就好像看一場比賽，贏的這一方會很高興，輸的那一方會跳腳，我就不曉得我們哪裡輸掉了？","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-10T11:52:54.166000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:52:54.826000+08:00","text":"臺灣是贏的啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-10T11:52:55.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:52:56.186000+08:00","text":"臺灣在外交上是贏的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T11:52:56.447000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:52:58.807000+08:00","text":"為什麼有人這麼跳腳，他們認為輸在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T11:52:58.807000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:53:01.248000+08:00","text":"我們應該是高興我們的隊伍贏了才對。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-10T11:53:01.388000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:53:09.289000+08:00","text":"除非他們不是Team Taiwan，除非他們跟臺灣不同隊，如果他們的心不在臺灣這邊會讓大家非常的失望，所以我還是堅決的支持啦！","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-10T11:53:10.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:53:30.304000+08:00","text":"也肯定院長不管是用什麼樣的方式，現任的行政院院長能夠到日本去觀看球賽，絕對是因為日本的高層也有給予相當高的支持與協助，這就是臺、日關係最好的證明，我們絕對堅決的支持院長這樣的作法，我們希望未來有更多這樣的機會能夠突破出去，謝謝院長。","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T11:53:30.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:53:30.985000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-10T11:53:30.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:53:58.108000+08:00","text":"接下來，我要請教勞保的行政事務費部分，過去我們執政黨對勞工有很多的照顧，其實高雄的職業工會有635家，是全臺之冠，會員37萬人，也是全臺灣第二，但是這幾年不管是物價或最低工資都提升了，但是每人每月14元的補助其實是不太夠的。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-10T11:53:58.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:54:02.349000+08:00","text":"院長，能不能調到至少每人每月16元以上？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T11:54:03.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:54:20.594000+08:00","text":"從歷史上來看，自108年開始，從原來的10元調到12.5元，再來114年又調到14元，我想看看……因為預算的問題還是要跟勞動部再確認一次，到底有沒有……","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-10T11:54:21.615000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:54:22.656000+08:00","text":"院長支持往上調嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T11:54:23.456000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:54:37.384000+08:00","text":"我覺得現在我們對勞工、農、漁民朋友，還有社會比較弱勢的族群，當國家財政及經濟狀況好的情形下，我們應該用更大的力量支持，所以方向是OK的。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-10T11:54:37.684000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:54:44.428000+08:00","text":"給予更多需要照顧的族群更多的支持，這是政府可以在我們的財政允許及經濟不錯的狀況下最好的作法。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T11:54:44.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:54:56.886000+08:00","text":"在每一項社會福利的討論或是家庭支持的討論，我們都要先設想到我們的財政能力，我們的預算程序是不是有能力、有完備，所以要請部長來說明一下。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-03-10T11:54:58.884000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:55:15.915000+08:00","text":"謝謝賴委員一直對於勞工朋友非常非常的支持與關心，尤其高雄的工會其實非常非常多，這些工會也幫助政府推動了很多與保險相關的重要事務，今天也謝謝委員反映工會的期待。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-03-10T11:55:16.536000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:55:35.569000+08:00","text":"的確，我們有看到工會這幾年在承辦一些相關業務時，行政成本其實是有增加的，所以我們願意朝增加事務費的方向來規劃，並爭取行政院的支持。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-03-10T11:55:37.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:55:45.357000+08:00","text":"我們也希望能夠給勞工、給工會更多的協助，我想政府與工會在很多勞工事務上一定是要互挺的。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-10T11:55:45.557000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:55:48.219000+08:00","text":"部長，每人每月16元的方向有機會來完成嗎？","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-10T11:55:48.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:55:49.200000+08:00","text":"就是從14元調整到16元？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-03-10T11:55:49.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:55:50.521000+08:00","text":"我們朝這個方向……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-10T11:55:50.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:55:51.582000+08:00","text":"朝這個方向來努力？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-03-10T11:55:52.102000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:55:53.724000+08:00","text":"對，我們朝這個方向來規劃。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-10T11:55:53.724000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T11:55:54.724000+08:00","text":"當然也需要院長支持。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T11:55:53.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:55:58.127000+08:00","text":"我們看到由工會來辦勞健保業務它的負擔……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-10T11:55:58.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:55:58.567000+08:00","text":"降低了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T11:55:59.888000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:56:02.631000+08:00","text":"以及我們剛剛說過，要兼顧政府的幾項財政情況。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T11:56:03.671000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:56:14.208000+08:00","text":"勞動部在經費上、預算上如果能夠合理找出預算，且不會排擠到其他項目，只要他提出來，我們認真討論。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T11:56:14.208000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:56:15.309000+08:00","text":"我想這個是對勞動部……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-10T11:56:15.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:56:16.950000+08:00","text":"院長可以支持？可以。可以？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-10T11:56:17.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:56:19.752000+08:00","text":"謝謝院長，謝謝部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-10T11:56:19.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:56:28.578000+08:00","text":"接著我要請教，其實財劃法修法之後對高雄、對南臺灣傷害很大，所以不只高雄，臺南、高雄、屏東幾乎都是重災區。","quality":0.756},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-10T11:56:28.878000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T11:56:45.351000+08:00","text":"這裡面讓高雄實質損失了174億，像捷運，臺北很多都已經完成了，而高雄這幾年包括黃線、包括紅線南延、紅線北延都快速在興建當中，一旦少了中央所支持的經費，今年就會少掉103億！","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，其實從北高雄到臺南之間的壅塞是非常厲害，從楠梓到橋頭、岡山、路竹，一路幾乎是常常塞車、大塞車的，萬一發生了重大事件，因為南北向少掉一個連結，我們當時也希望高架，但高架有其徵收上的一些困難，所以目前大家評估上比較可行的是由國七往北延伸到臺南，這樣就會有臺61、國一、國七、國三，這樣的方向可以讓臺南跟高雄兩大都會間更加的便利，也希望院長跟部長來大力支持，好不好？","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-10T12:04:12.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T12:04:12.590000+08:00","text":"儘速來評估、儘速來規劃。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T12:04:14.271000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T12:04:17.579000+08:00","text":"好的，我請交通部馬上來評估後續的可能性。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-10T12:04:18.079000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T12:04:22.650429+08:00","text":"好，謝謝院長，謝謝部長，辛苦了，謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-10T12:04:22.950429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T12:04:30.379000+08:00","text":"謝謝賴瑞隆委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長跟相關部會首長備詢，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-10T12:04:30.679000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T12:04:34.964714+08:00","text":"報告院會，我們上午的質詢到此為止。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-10T12:04:35.264714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T12:04:44.407571+08:00","text":"另外，依照黨團共識，本次會議不再處理臨時提案，下午2點30分繼續開會，進行質詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-10T12:04:44.707571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T12:04:50.421857+08:00","text":"謝謝王育敏委員陪同我們一起參與今天的質詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-10T12:04:50.721857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T12:04:51.864714+08:00","text":"現在休息。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-10T12:04:52.164714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T12:04:53.307571+08:00","text":"休息（12時4分）","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}