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治水的經費這個都必須從中央政府來支付甚至我們幫地方政府也做了縣市館河川的整治工作四年一千億那這個錢都來自這些同樣的這一桶水裡面所以現在國防經費1.25兆"},{"start":1016.827,"end":1017.268,"text":"需不需要繼續推"},{"start":1018.789,"end":1046.289,"text":"我們當然期待因為這個是三合一的一個是我們希望能夠建立一個台灣之盾另外一個是用AI高科技形成一個擊殺鏈帶來第三塊很重要的是發展國防相關的產業這個可以對本土的產業有真正正面的一個協助讓他能夠升級起來所以你說有錢要花一點二五兆嘛你能不能留一些資源讓所有全台灣的民眾共享讓大家稍微拚一下"},{"start":1047.439,"end":1070.113,"text":"所以我們現在我們在國民年輕人也好老農津貼也好我們現在對於六大生活補助以及將來我們希望從年輕人從出生開始到養育到教育三個階段能夠成立一個成長計畫我們都在做這樣的工作就是把國家的經費能夠讓全民更多需要的人"},{"start":1071.033,"end":1098.277,"text":"依照社會公平的原則跟精神來分享但是國家的主權安全的維護我們還是不能夠旁落國家安全很重要院長那你說你要編這個1.25兆的同時你能不能思考一下多多照顧未來的年輕人我們一直討論很久本席提出希望給未來的每個小朋友出生兒我們要來設立一個未來丈夫"},{"start":1100.218,"end":1123.445,"text":"未來帳戶啊?現在有嗎?現在有未來帳戶,但是它是針對低收跟中低收的家庭所以它的成效就是比較侷限我們已經有想法了,如果讓在我剛剛說的能夠出生、養育、教育三個階段都能夠有一個零歲一直到18歲一個整套的計畫那現在大概有多少人有這個未來帳戶?"},{"start":1124.727,"end":1135.42,"text":"有多少人現在未來帳戶不多只有4萬多人幾萬現在我剛說他針對對象就是低收中低收的家庭我記得應該只有4萬多其實不足啦3萬多我們希望未來帳戶是"},{"start":1142.29,"end":1162.921,"text":"全民都有啊因為人也會老有一天你老的時候你突然發現你口袋沒錢了之後你至少有一個未來帳戶每個人都有一個未來帳戶這樣子他心裡比較安心小朋友一出生就有一個未來帳戶所以當我們在講1.25兆龐大數的時候拜託"},{"start":1166.002,"end":1194.784,"text":"多想一想民眾的感受同時並進在處理這幾項重大的事情重大的建設也好 國防的預算也好跟社會福利也好 都全面要讓它升級那政府現在的財政能力我們有機會有能力做這樣的工作但是不能夠把所有的力量集中在某一塊那我們現在做合理的分配我們是在財政能力下是容許這樣來處理的所以國防軍購 特別軍購1.25兆逐年8年來實施是沒有問題的"},{"start":1195.953,"end":1208.139,"text":"所以那個1.25兆 編下去以後 台灣就OK 安全當然不是就OK 我們是逐年你要多編一點啊 你沒有OK你怎麼會覺得1.25兆夠好 那你可以提1.25兆加N啊那你要提這個錢"},{"start":1214.281,"end":1242.501,"text":"有錢我就支持啊可是你在支持這個1.25兆的時候我也拜託你要照顧這些年輕人這些未來的出生兒啊當然有當然有我們現在是同時並且剛剛委員報告過了那幾個部分都是在衡量整個財政的均衡底下我們做全面性的多元的發展所以錢是要花在刀口上當然我看你也都是這個算得很清楚那我請教一下現在我們"},{"start":1243.817,"end":1270.365,"text":"每個人熟悉的四個小朋友還有中華棒球隊國父孫中山先生這個兩百塊院長有看過嗎比較少所以問題就來了就是這些錢的使用因為現在有很多人的用信用卡、電子交易等等所以"},{"start":1272.018,"end":1285.345,"text":"現鈔的使用率是越來越低的結果你現在這些鈔票都還蠻新的而且我覺得重點是蠻好用的"},{"start":1286.235,"end":1305.966,"text":"我在台灣只要拿這個現金出去大家收到都很開心接受度很高為什麼在國家現在很需要經費做很多百工百業要支持的項目的時候央行說要改版到底要不要改版"},{"start":1306.844,"end":1323.851,"text":"一次要花多少錢要發新鈔全世界都在用電子商務電子無鈔交易你還要花一筆巨大的費用那個費用不曉得多少去年或前年日幣美金都有發新鈔都有改版"},{"start":1325.258,"end":1349.454,"text":"這個還是一個流通性的問題當然我們鼓勵電子支付或是用塑膠的貨幣但是這種基本上的流通性還是有的我們還是要顧慮到是社會上還是有這個需求那委員你保存得很好是因為你說保管得很好才會這樣子那有的就比較破舊就必須來做更新同時已經二十幾年了現在防偽技術也要加強"},{"start":1351.432,"end":1376.024,"text":"所以你這個新超有編預算要去改版嗎?目前還沒有編目前還沒編,就不會編了?不會,我們有預計編喔?編會被民眾罵翻天?不會,不會我收到的,民眾都講說你沒差錢改一次新超要花多少?"},{"start":1378.797,"end":1404.005,"text":"我跟委員報告就是說如果我們改新鈔的時候一張大概會增加1.5塊錢成本那如果說我們沒有改版的話因為現在的技術非常的先進所以到時候如果說微鈔很多的時候那麼社會的成本會更高"},{"start":1405.465,"end":1430.145,"text":"所以就是說現在技術非常高非常先進的時候你不在這個時點來改版的時候那到時候社會成本高那你所花的成本會更高所以現在有尾鈔嗎尾鈔我還是有啊但是目前尾鈔是不高但是我跟委員報告就是說"},{"start":1434.616,"end":1448.936,"text":"其他的國家呢在他的新操用20年左右的時候大概都會改版那我們現在是24年24年算是已經很慢的全世界有哪一個國家規定說幾年一定要改版的"},{"start":1449.384,"end":1477.592,"text":"大部分都是十年到二十年現在全部都是電子商務啊沒有 電子商務很多地方都是鼓勵大家當然我們也是鼓勵電子支付但是問題是環保啊 對 對 環保但是問題是在於就是說 新鈔也可以環保好 那你一直執意要去印新的鈔票全部預算要花多少現在還沒有估算"},{"start":1478.547,"end":1481.712,"text":"那你以去年的金額來算加起來大概會有多少金額有沒有超過10億"},{"start":1495.392,"end":1516.353,"text":"每年編的話呢 每年編的話呢因為我們本來啊 就是說每年的時候呢我們超卷的這個整操的這個成本本身他就是大概有30億左右啦30億啊對 每年每年因為全部的全部的換操啊還有就是說整操啊這個"},{"start":1517.054,"end":1545.65,"text":"所以全部加起來多少差不多30億左右啦那現在就是說我們就說一張呢會增加1.5%怎麼上次說是200億沒有沒有沒有沒有那麼多100億總裁的意思是每年有一些鈔票要是換新的會再加30億換新鈔我的意思是說你現在改版啊你準備改版把國庫拋棄掉啊現在還沒有決定吧沒有嗎還沒有還沒有學還熱嘛"},{"start":1547.042,"end":1560.278,"text":"我覺得不要浪費這個錢而且從小到大我覺得他印象很好我都是靠他長大的拜託不要浪費錢好謝謝那第二個問題就是請教央行現在整個國際情勢的變化"},{"start":1567.079,"end":1595.283,"text":"台幣未來走勢是走強還是走跌台幣呢是還是第一個他是供需來決定第二個呢如果說美元強的時候其他的貨幣都在肉的時候呢基本上台幣也會肉跟著走就對了對因為這個是國際的會受到國際因素的影響這兩天台幣暴跌沒有暴跌跟其他的貨幣來比較的時候我們是點的是居中所以"},{"start":1596.906,"end":1606.614,"text":"一美元對新台幣的匯率32塊今天大概31.8左右所以32塊可以說是一個洋金融的防線我們沒有所謂的防線我跟委員報告我還是在強調的匯率還是由供需決定還是供需決定"},{"start":1622.847,"end":1638.835,"text":"那如果台幣走深的話大概會區間是哪裡到哪裡這個不曉得不曉得由市場決定嘛希望說這方面喔股會是要穩定讓民眾不要驚慌"},{"start":1640.314,"end":1658.775,"text":"這個可以做得到嗎新台幣匯率一直都是非常穩定的跟其他的貨幣來比較的話都是相當穩定最近我們從2月底到現在幾乎是天天沒有天天也隔天召集各相關部會包括外交、交通、經濟、金管、財政都來討論接送國人"},{"start":1662.679,"end":1684.397,"text":"物價穩定油價穩定還有股市安定種種的狀況所以現在有成立一個特別的穩定小組物價穩定小組本來就有的那其他都啟動自己業館內業務的一個緊急應變機制好 謝謝那因為本席來自地方我還是要講一些地方建設的爭取這個很重要交通部"},{"start":1689.06,"end":1715.134,"text":"講了大概20幾年了深坑輕軌深坑輕軌對我們地方來講是非常非常重要的一個建設可是目前在交通部審議中一直沒有突破不曉得他的進度多少以前我記得如果整條蓋起來的話大概是不到100億現在物價飆漲200多億了"},{"start":1718.891,"end":1725.311,"text":"是不是可以請院長可以責成相關單位多多來關心深坑輕軌"},{"start":1727.66,"end":1750.516,"text":"跟委員報告捷運跟輕軌這個系統是地方一般事項所以是地方題不會是交通部講了二十幾年但是深坑輕軌這個可行性研究目前正在我們鐵道局正在審議當中我們可以加速委員也提過很多次了表示說地方的民眾大家很在意那我們審查的速度會盡量來加快好拜託速度很快一點因為早建完建都要建"},{"start":1751.653,"end":1777.212,"text":"做起來的話是地方對政府的一個敬佩畢竟是一個德政而且地方殷切期盼另外有關安坑一號道路第三期的華城快速道路不曉得什麼時候會施作也大概二三十億啦但是他影響了大概三萬五萬人的日常的交通"},{"start":1779.929,"end":1809.031,"text":"跟委員報告這個案子目前是這個新北市政府正在做可行性研究那要等他們可行性研究做完之後可以去爭取內政部的這個生活圈道路的補助計畫好那我再請那個川伯多幫忙一下未來的市長李思川他公務方面也比較強再來請教一下安坑一號道路延伸至土城的交流道他是接上"},{"start":1809.895,"end":1837.864,"text":"北二高所以這個跟你們有關係吧叫安城快速道路這也是新店安坑區區段徵收作業的一部分嘛牽扯到這個部分新北市政府未來是不是要採取這個區段徵收正在研究它的可行性拜託所以現在上下班堵車堵得很厲害這些案子大部分都在新北市政府你可以現在就請侯市長幫忙好我再拜託那個下一個是船北來"},{"start":1839.875,"end":1841.959,"text":"那另外就是安坑輕軌串聯規劃中的捷運"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:30:41.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:30:46.193000+08:00","text":"韓院長、在座卓院長及所有行政團隊。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:30:46.193000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:30:49.395000+08:00","text":"韓院長，可否請卓院長？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-10T14:30:49.395000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:31:02.603000+08:00","text":"麻煩請卓院長備詢。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:31:02.603000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:31:03.603000+08:00","text":"羅委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:31:03.603000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:31:04.603000+08:00","text":"院長，你好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:31:02.603000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:31:31.317000+08:00","text":"現在全世界的經濟發展或者是區域間的和平或衝突可以說是令人掌控不住、變化多端，臺灣是一個島嶼，我們全部都仰賴國外進口的一些原料，最近美伊戰爭，請問什麼時候會結束？","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:31:32.638000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:31:32.858000+08:00","text":"什麼時候會結束？是。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:31:40.774000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:31:42.415000+08:00","text":"這個問題現在好像應該沒有答案……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:31:42.415000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:31:43.415000+08:00","text":"為什麼……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:31:43.055000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:31:46.397000+08:00","text":"雖然川普總統說很快會結束……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:31:46.397000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:31:47.797000+08:00","text":"對，他說了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:31:47.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:31:49.258000+08:00","text":"請問我們有沒有做沙盤推演？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:31:50.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:31:58.403000+08:00","text":"當然有，我們推演不是推演戰爭結束，而是在戰爭期間當中，我們每一天要了解什麼狀況、需要應變什麼事情。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:31:58.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:32:17.648000+08:00","text":"是，因為國人最擔心的就是油電水氣飆漲，大家人心惶惶啊，油價漲破100塊以上的話，我們國內的消費者物價指數（CPI）大概會漲到多少？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:32:18.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:32:26.214000+08:00","text":"我們還是儘量啟動各種機制，希望能夠維持在CPI 2%以下，希望能維持這個目標。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:32:26.214000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:32:26.855000+08:00","text":"現在大概多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:32:27.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:32:28.976000+08:00","text":"現在都是一點六幾左右吧。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:32:30.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:32:31.558000+08:00","text":"這樣的情況還可控嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:32:32.647000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:32:36.729000+08:00","text":"我們儘量啟動所有的工具做前瞻性的部署。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:32:37.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:32:43.232000+08:00","text":"對，當然會有上有下啦，有人說如果油價漲到150美金，那臺灣的經濟就很慘啊！","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:32:44.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:32:45.956000+08:00","text":"那也是一種推估的可能。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:32:46.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:32:50.641000+08:00","text":"前天股市一天可以跌超過近2,000點……1,489點。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:32:51.862000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:32:55.505000+08:00","text":"盤中啦，後來有再回過來。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:32:55.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:32:59.409000+08:00","text":"今天稍微有一點起來，但是力道還要再加強。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:32:59.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:33:03.333000+08:00","text":"是，剛剛回答有關CPI的問題，龔部長要說明嗎？","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T14:33:04.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:33:19.745000+08:00","text":"有關CPI問題，現在1、2月份還好，平均大概是一點多，2月份稍微高一點點，1.7%左右，那也是正常反映，因為2月份是過年嘛，所以消費指數往上升也算是正常啦。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:33:20.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:33:22.987000+08:00","text":"所以拜託院長苦民所苦啊！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:33:23.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:33:24.668000+08:00","text":"不用拜託，這是我們的職責。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:33:25.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:33:28.431000+08:00","text":"油電水氣可不可以凍漲？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T14:33:28.431000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:33:56.302000+08:00","text":"現在油的部分已經是啟動緩漲機制，亞鄰最低價以後我們再吸收60%，所以本來要漲的，像是上禮拜本來要漲5塊多，我們只漲1塊5，如果扣掉亞鄰最低價3塊7，我們漲1塊5而已，所以大部分是我們來吸收啦，至於其他部分就是暫時穩定、平穩物價，來做思考……","quality":0.859},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:33:56.302000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:34:04.324000+08:00","text":"所以除了油之外，水、電、氣會不會影響？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T14:34:04.324000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:34:05.324000+08:00","text":"水沒有漲。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:34:05.324000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:34:06.324000+08:00","text":"桶裝瓦斯我們維持……","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T14:34:04.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:34:07.005000+08:00","text":"對，一樣，那個都沒有調整。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:34:07.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:34:08.066000+08:00","text":"都不會漲喔？對。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:34:08.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:34:10.807000+08:00","text":"所以現在都不會漲？對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:34:10.807000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:34:25.060000+08:00","text":"OK，我們希望苦民所苦，因為現在地方基層苦哈哈，雖然我們的經濟成長率去年本來預估3.4%，後來有到7.45%左右，但是……8.68%。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:34:26.721000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:34:26.721000+08:00","text":"八點多？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:34:27.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:34:28.342000+08:00","text":"好，今年的預估是多少？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T14:34:28.682000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:34:31.203000+08:00","text":"今年預估7.71%。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:34:31.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:34:37.827000+08:00","text":"七點多，可是它有很大一部分是集中在半導體以及AI的周邊。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T14:34:37.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:34:40.828000+08:00","text":"對，ICT產業。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:34:40.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:34:44.410000+08:00","text":"面對百工百業，事實上有很多很辛苦啊！","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T14:34:45.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:34:53.475000+08:00","text":"報告委員，不過傳統產業在1、2月份的出口也恢復了比較好的成績，出口狀況都還不錯。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:34:54.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:34:59.940000+08: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server的產業，事實上很多國際廠商或國際的買主，他還指定說最好在臺灣生產，因為臺灣的效率真的是比較好。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:38:38.263000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:38:48.650000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們除了希望產業繼續加強任何在臺灣的投資、根留臺灣之外，我們在跟美方的談判當中，也有很重要的一點就是雙向投資。","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:38:48.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:39:00.716000+08:00","text":"我們到美方去投資，但美國的世界大廠也會到臺灣來投資，這代表對雙方都很有信心，把彼此列為一個重要的民主戰略夥伴，這個是非常重要的。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:39:00.816000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:39:11.241000+08:00","text":"我們希望臺灣的能見度可以讓全世界看到，讓大家都看到臺灣的好好在哪裡，多多在臺灣投資，在臺灣下單。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:39:11.381000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:39:25.047000+08:00","text":"我們剛剛看到就是，現在臺灣的股市在漲時暴漲、跌時暴跌，現在的股票明天的情況還不知道，國安基金會不會啟動？","quality":0.83},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:39:26.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:39:40.108000+08:00","text":"我們在今年1月13日國安基金退場當時已經是很長一段時間啟動國安基金，那成效也讓整個股民、股市跟經濟的信心定落下來。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:39:40.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:39:48.950000+08:00","text":"這一次我們目前還在觀測，但是手上，除了國安基金之外，我們還有其他重要的、可以平穩股市的工具，我們也在觀察……","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:39:48.950000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:39:51.052000+08:00","text":"所以國安……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:39:51.052000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:39:53.095000+08:00","text":"對股市我們是讓它能夠正常、自由的發展。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:39:53.436000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:39:56.380000+08:00","text":"所以國安基金不排除隨時會進場？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:39:56.380000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:39:57.380000+08:00","text":"有暴跌的話。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:39:56.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:40:01.166000+08:00","text":"有需要的話，國安基金有它進場的一些必要條件跟時機。有啊！","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:40:01.166000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:40:02.268000+08:00","text":"非經常性因素啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:40:02.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:40:06.141000+08:00","text":"外在的特殊情況。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:40:06.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:40:19.919000+08:00","text":"但是今天這個因素──戰爭，它是一個可以看到特定的、單一的事項，是比較可以掌控的，我們最怕那種不曉得原因的、無量的，目前看不到這樣子，但是我們非常緊密在關注。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:40:21.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:40:22.882000+08:00","text":"國安基金規模現在有多大？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-10T14:40:26.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:40:30.184000+08:00","text":"國安基金目前的規模是5,000億。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:40:30.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:40:32.385000+08:00","text":"院長，那個是在幾十年前……對。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:40:33.325000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:40:38.867000+08:00","text":"股市大概20兆的時候，現在我們臺灣股市的市值有多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-10T14:40:39.848000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:40:42.589000+08:00","text":"目前已經超過大概好幾倍了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:40:42.589000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:40:43.589000+08:00","text":"一百多兆。對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:40:43.589000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:40:44.589000+08:00","text":"國安基金有沒有考慮要把基金規模往上調？","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:40:44.589000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:40:45.589000+08:00","text":"本席建議是要兩兆，你們的版本是多少？","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-10T14:40:43.225000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:41:11.582000+08:00","text":"這個案子其實在財委會已經討論過了，也已經有相關的討論；也就是說，國安基金的規模是不是要隨同目前股市的市值增長，這個部分財政部一直採取開放的態度，在財委會的時候我們也做過討論。","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:41:11.582000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:41:13.184000+08:00","text":"所以現在準備要提高到多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-10T14:41:13.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:41:16.667000+08:00","text":"目前來說，案子還在大院討論當中。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:41:16.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:41:17.708000+08:00","text":"財政部的版本是多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-10T14:41:19.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:41:24.355000+08:00","text":"目前來說並沒有院版，我們認為其實是可以提高的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:41:24.815000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:41:30.928000+08:00","text":"你是講一兆，其實我覺得不夠，可能要提高到兩兆，安定軍心！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:41:31.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:41:35.230000+08:00","text":"我們希望臺灣的經濟還是可以穩定、持平的發展下去。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:41:35.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:41:38.411000+08:00","text":"講到這邊，我們就講到臺灣現在的財政情況還好嗎？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:41:41.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:41:42.655000+08:00","text":"我們的體質應該是非常健全的，百工百業……","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:41:43.176000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:41:43.416000+08:00","text":"應該不錯吧！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:41:43.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:41:53.303000+08:00","text":"我們現在做的就是把傳統產業、中小微企業儘量穩定往上提升、讓它升級，如果這樣的話，我們的基礎、整個體質會更健全。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:41:53.763000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:41:57.126000+08:00","text":"現在股市的日均量，今天大概七、八千億。是。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:41:57.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:42:05.664000+08:00","text":"之前還破兆，如果說一兆的話，請問部長，我們一天的證交稅收入可以有多少？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-10T14:42:07.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:42:16.373000+08:00","text":"我們看股市一天的成交量，目前看起來，以一月份來說，大概日均量達到九千一百多億。哇！","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-10T14:42:16.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:42:21.477000+08:00","text":"整個證交稅稅收也比去年同期成長，增加兩百多億。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:42:21.477000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:42:24.820000+08:00","text":"這樣預估今年證交稅稅收應該會荷包滿滿吧？","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-10T14:42:26.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:42:26.601000+08:00","text":"應該是會的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:42:27.402000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:42:28.243000+08:00","text":"大概上看多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-10T14:42:29.787000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:42:33.168000+08:00","text":"上看多少，目前來說，現在才二月，還要看後續股市的成交量。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:42:33.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:42:34.628000+08:00","text":"那你預算大概是多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-10T14:42:35.689000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:42:38.809000+08:00","text":"目前來說，預算案還沒有經過大院的審議完成。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:42:40.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:42:40.910000+08:00","text":"歲入今年編多少？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-10T14:42:41.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:42:44.791000+08:00","text":"當時因為是用四千六百多億的日均量來編。哇！","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:42:44.791000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:42:47.351000+08:00","text":"那多一倍欸！","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-10T14:42:47.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:42:48.652000+08:00","text":"應該會成長，比這個來得多。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:42:49.092000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:42:51.012000+08:00","text":"財政部長每天都笑嘻嘻的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:42:51.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:42:57.175000+08:00","text":"我們期待的是一個穩定的股市發展，各行各業能夠都發展比較好。是。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:42:57.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:43:11.064000+08:00","text":"我們希望股市大家都看得見，事實上，臺灣的優勢，全世界也慢慢知道了，我們的半導體、電子相關行業真的是很強，我們希望把臺灣的市場做大，但是要多多照顧一些年輕人。是。","quality":0.704},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:43:11.465000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:43:19.070000+08:00","text":"年輕人未來是很辛苦的，還有特別是一些剛畢業的學生，現在畢業的話，一個月起薪大概多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:43:21.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:43:23.651000+08:00","text":"現在應該還是大概三萬多塊錢左右。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:43:26.274000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:43:40.238000+08:00","text":"三萬多，薪資就在那個門檻，可是，院長，雞腿便當變貴了，以前一個便當70塊，現在一個便當要多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:43:40.618000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:44:08.032000+08:00","text":"所以政府一方面希望能夠把薪水抬高，另外一方面，我們啟用更多減輕負擔的方式，比方說在報稅的時候能增加可扣抵的金額，同時我們對一些特定家庭，也能夠給予更多家庭支持，也是減輕家庭的負擔，我們用這樣多管齊下的方式，把國家經濟成長能夠給全民共享。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:44:08.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:44:11.034000+08:00","text":"是，分享的概念我們是很支持的。是。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:44:12.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:44:20.019000+08:00","text":"所以你記不記得我們去年普發現金一萬塊的時候，獲得熱烈的迴響？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:44:20.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:44:23.381000+08:00","text":"因為一人領一萬，快樂長相伴！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:44:24.461000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:44:30.285000+08:00","text":"院長，你知道，當初說不能領、財政拮据，但也領啦！","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:44:32.486000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:44:35.468000+08:00","text":"請問，去領這一萬塊普發現金的比率有多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-10T14:44:35.468000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:44:36.740000+08:00","text":"我來說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:44:36.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:44:38.162000+08:00","text":"比率應該相當高。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-10T14:44:38.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:44:46.551000+08:00","text":"對，已經領的是2,293萬人，已經達到我們預估人口數的97.31%，到昨天為止。97%？對，97%。","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:44:48.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:44:53.258000+08:00","text":"你看，民眾多麼需要政府的一個小確幸！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:44:53.879000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:45:31.675000+08:00","text":"所以在這裡也要提醒院長，本席主張未來稅收只要超徵達到一定金額的時候，立刻採取普發現金，直接匯入民眾的口袋，也許你覺得不重要，可是我要跟院長說明的是，對於多數的民眾來說，這一萬塊大人小孩通通有希望啊，小朋友領到這一萬塊的時候，他是會感謝的，他會開心的買一些文具用品，對不對？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:45:31.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:45:35.777000+08:00","text":"或者是有時候請朋友吃個飯，這是一種確幸嘛！","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:45:36.444000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:45:56.239000+08:00","text":"所以拜託大家趕快來研究一下，我已經提案了，就是只要稅收超徵的時候，大概累積3,000億以上，立刻二話不說，公式化的直接匯入每個人的帳戶，做得到做不到？","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:45:57.131000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:46:26.366000+08:00","text":"報告委員，政府會期待用更多的、精算的方式來讓全民共享，達到更公平的社會，但今年我們也舉債了3,000億，政府因為種種財政的規劃，今年我們舉債3,000億，我們本來是可以不舉債的，但是普發現金，人民接受，很好，大家能夠促進經濟的活絡跟發展，但是因為這樣子我們也舉債3,000億，所以你看發了兩千多億跟舉債3,000億，從整個財政結構來看，那不是差不多嗎？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:46:26.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:46:33.710000+08:00","text":"但是我們還是願意讓全民有分享到經濟成長果實這樣的公式，我們來做一些更公平的分配。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:46:34.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:46:38.432000+08:00","text":"那院長，現在中華民國到底有沒有錢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:46:38.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:46:46.916000+08:00","text":"現在我們的財政比過去幾年當然是好很多，包括中央、地方，我們的歲計賸餘都逐年有一些增加。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:46:47.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:46:52.592000+08:00","text":"是，所以在這樣的情況下，你的軍購一次就要買1.25兆，是不是？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:46:52.592000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:46:53.592000+08:00","text":"這個案子有沒有確定要進行？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:46:53.153000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:47:13.443000+08:00","text":"不只軍購，我們還有更大的經濟發展跟科技發展，比如我們的AI新十大建設，我們更有很多的軌道建設，我們更有很多的治水建設、治水的經費，這個都必須由中央政府來支付，甚至我們幫地方政府也做了縣市管河川的整治工作，4年1,000億，這個錢都來自同樣的這一桶水。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:47:13.943000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:47:18.248000+08:00","text":"所以現在國防經費1.25兆需不需要繼續推？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:47:19.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:47:37.682000+08:00","text":"我們當然期待，因為這個是三合一的，一個是我們希望能夠建立臺灣之盾，另外一個是用AI高科技形成一個擊殺鏈，帶來第三塊很重要的是發展國防相關連產業，這個才對本土產業有真正正面的協助，讓它能夠升級起來。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:47:37.682000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:47:47.269000+08:00","text":"所以你說有錢，要花1.25兆嘛，你能不能留一些資源，讓全臺灣的民眾共享，讓大家稍微聞香一下？","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:47:48.439000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:47:51.181000+08:00","text":"有啊，所以我們現在……你看我們在……","quality":0.462},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:47:51.181000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:47:52.181000+08:00","text":"雨露均霑。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:47:51.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:48:18.959000+08:00","text":"我們在國民年金也好、老農津貼也好，對於六大生活補助，以及將來我們希望年輕人從出生開始到養育、教育三個階段能夠連成一個成長計畫，我們都在做這樣的工作，就是把國家的經費能夠讓更多需要的人，依照社會公平的原則跟精神來分享，但是國家的主權、安全的維護，我們還是不能夠旁落。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:48:20.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:48:21.181000+08:00","text":"國家安全很重要。是。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:48:22.122000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:48:29.788000+08:00","text":"院長，那你要編這個1.25兆的同時，能不能思考一下多多照顧未來的年輕人？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:48:30.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:48:39.016000+08:00","text":"我們討論很久了，本席提出希望給未來每個出生的小朋友設立一個未來帳戶。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:48:39.016000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:48:41.218000+08:00","text":"我們現在就有……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:48:41.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:48:43.199000+08:00","text":"未來帳戶現在有嗎？","qualit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:54:37.826000+08:00","text":"沒有，電子商務，還是……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:54:37.826000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:54:39.667000+08:00","text":"很多地方都是鼓勵大家去真鈔……","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-10T14:54:40.727000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:54:43.128000+08:00","text":"當然我們也是鼓勵電子支付。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:54:43.128000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:54:44.128000+08:00","text":"電子支付。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-10T14:54:43.408000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:54:45.788000+08:00","text":"但問題是……環保。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-10T14:54:47.329000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:54:47.329000+08:00","text":"對，環保。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-10T14:54:47.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:54:50.350000+08:00","text":"但問題是在於，新鈔也可以環保。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:54:51.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:54:57.071000+08:00","text":"好，你一直執意要印新的鈔票，那麼全部預算要花多少？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-10T14:54:57.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:54:58.572000+08:00","text":"現在還沒有估算。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:54:58.572000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:54:59.572000+08:00","text":"大概多少？","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-10T14:54:59.572000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:55:00.572000+08:00","text":"我剛剛就講了，大概一張會增加1.5……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:55:00.572000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:55:01.572000+08:00","text":"你全部要印幾張？","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:55:01.572000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:55:02.572000+08:00","text":"加起來多少金額？","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-10T14:55:02.572000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:55:03.572000+08:00","text":"現在還不曉得。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:54:59.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:55:02.351000+08:00","text":"以去年的金額來算，加起來大概會有多少金額？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-10T14:55:02.351000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:55:03.351000+08:00","text":"這個要……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:55:02.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:55:02.712000+08:00","text":"有沒有超過10億？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-10T14:55:16.392000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:55:30.907000+08:00","text":"每年編的話，因為我們本來每年鈔券整鈔的成本本身大概就有30億左右……30億啊！","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-10T14:55:31.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:55:36.893000+08:00","text":"對，是每年全部，包括換鈔、整鈔……","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:55:38.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:55:38.995000+08:00","text":"所以全部加起來是多少？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-10T14:55:39.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:55:40.876000+08:00","text":"差不多30億左右。30億？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-10T14:55:41.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:55:44.938000+08:00","text":"現在就是1張會增加1.5塊錢。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:55:45.478000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:55:46.138000+08:00","text":"你們上次說是200億。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-10T14:55:46.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:55:47.599000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有、沒有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:55:47.739000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:55:49.480000+08:00","text":"沒有那麼多，那是100億？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-10T14:55:49.480000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:55:50.480000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有，沒有那樣多。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:55:49.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:55:52.862000+08:00","text":"總裁的意思是每年有一些鈔票舊了要換新。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-10T14:55:53.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:55:53.763000+08:00","text":"對，要換新的或……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:55:53.763000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:55:55.323000+08:00","text":"這樣要30億左右。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:55:55.323000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:55:57.805000+08:00","text":"我的意思是說你現在改版啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:55:58.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:56:01.487000+08:00","text":"你準備改版，把國父拋棄掉啊！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-10T14:56:02.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:56:03.708000+08:00","text":"現在還沒有決定吧！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:56:04.468000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:56:04.989000+08:00","text":"沒有嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-10T14:56:04.989000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:56:05.069000+08:00","text":"還沒有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:56:05.069000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:56:08.042000+08:00","text":"懸崖勒馬！","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:56:08.042000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:56:15.091000+08:00","text":"我覺得不要浪費這個錢，而且從小到大，我對他印象很好，可以說都是靠他長大的。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:56:16.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:56:17.313000+08:00","text":"拜託，不要浪費錢！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:56:17.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:56:17.333000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:56:17.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:56:30.421000+08:00","text":"要請教央行的第二個問題是，現在整個國際情勢變化，臺幣未來的走勢是走強還是走跌？","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-10T14:56:31.942000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:56:41.831000+08:00","text":"有關臺幣，第一個，它是由供需來決定，第二個，如果美元強的時候，其他貨幣都弱的時候，基本上臺幣也會弱。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:56:42.631000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:56:43.412000+08:00","text":"跟著走就對了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-10T14:56:44.112000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:56:49.057000+08:00","text":"對，因為這是會受到國際因素的影響。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:56:49.057000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:56:50.298000+08:00","text":"這兩天臺幣暴跌啊！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-10T14:56:51.158000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:56:55.262000+08:00","text":"沒有暴跌，跟其他貨幣比較的話，我們貶的是居中。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:56:56.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:57:00.288000+08:00","text":"所以一美元對新臺幣的匯率32塊大概是一個……","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-10T14:57:00.288000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:57:01.288000+08:00","text":"沒有喔！","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-10T14:57:00.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:57:01.629000+08:00","text":"今天大概31.8左右。31.8？對。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:57:01.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:57:03.611000+08:00","text":"所以32塊可以說是一個楊金龍的防線？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:57:03.611000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:57:04.611000+08:00","text":"可不可以這麼說？","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-10T14:57:03.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:57:04.592000+08:00","text":"沒有，我們沒有所謂的防線。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:57:04.592000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T14:57:05.592000+08:00","text":"有沒有可能再跌？","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-10T14:57:04.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:57:07.594000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，我要再強調，匯率還是由供需決定。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:57:23.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:57:30.050000+08:00","text":"那如果臺幣走升的話，區間大概會是哪裡到哪裡？","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-10T14:57:30.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:57:30.390000+08:00","text":"這個不曉得。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:57:31.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:57:31.451000+08:00","text":"不曉得？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-10T14:57:31.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:57:32.711000+08:00","text":"由市場決定嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:57:33.812000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:57:41.735000+08:00","text":"好，希望股、匯市穩定，不要讓民眾驚慌，這個可以做得到吧？","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-10T14:57:42.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:57:48.442000+08:00","text":"新臺幣匯率一直都是非常穩定的，跟其他貨幣來比較的話，都是相當穩定的。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:57:49.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:58:07.823000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們從2月底到現在，幾乎是天天，就算沒有天天，也是隔天就召集各相關部會，包括外交、交通、經濟、金管、財政，來討論接送國人和物價穩定、油價穩定，還有股市安定等種種狀況。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:58:07.823000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:58:10.925000+08:00","text":"所以現在有成立一個特別的穩定小組？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T14:58:10.925000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:58:17.531000+08:00","text":"物價穩定小組是本來就有的，其他都是啟動自己業管內業務的緊急應變機制。","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:58:18.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:58:18.992000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:58:19.392000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T14:58:25.217000+08:00","text":"另外，本席來自地方，我還是要講一些地方建設的爭取，這個很重要。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-10T14:58:25.3370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"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:23:17.501857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:23:24.644714+08:00","text":"當初設計前科塗銷，是為了避免標籤效應，讓少年能重返社會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:23:24.944714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:23:35.516143+08:00","text":"當前科塗銷遇到重大暴力案件甚至致人死傷事件時，是否應有更嚴謹的風險評估與配套？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:23:35.816143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:23:49.816143+08:00","text":"可否建立一套更謹慎的機制，讓輔導單位、學校與第一線教育人員在必要範圍掌握風險資訊，兼顧少年重生與校園安全？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:23:50.116143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:23:52.973286+08:00","text":"2.重建家庭的輔育功能","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:23:53.273286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:23:57.559000+08:00","text":"許多少年偏差行為根源於失能家庭。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:23:57.859000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:24:08.716143+08:00","text":"政府是否能在問題擴大前，更積極介入高風險家庭，提供完整親職教育、心理支持與責質協助？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:24:09.016143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:24:18.730429+08:00","text":"對長期疏於管教、放任孩子接觸幫派文化的監護人，是否也應有更明確的責任機制？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:24:19.030429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:24:22.173286+08:00","text":"3.補足第一線人力與能量","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:24:22.473286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:24:31.901857+08:00","text":"社工、保護官、心理師等專業人員長期過勞、缺工、流動率高，這張安全網已破洞百出。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:24:32.201857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:24:35.916143+08:00","text":"政府是否有規劃提升人力編制？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:24:36.216143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:24:38.787571+08:00","text":"對照哪個國家的標準？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:24:39.087571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:24:45.373286+08:00","text":"應補充到何種規模，以確保每個孩子都能被妥善照顧？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:24:45.673286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:24:47.673286+08:00","text":"天秤、公平與正義","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:24:47.973286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:24:54.259000+08:00","text":"少事法強調行政輔導，但不能忽略被害者與家屬感受。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:24:54.559000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:25:03.130429+08:00","text":"少年法官培訓中應納入對被害家屬的尊重與同理訓練，落實修復式正義。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:25:03.430429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:25:13.144714+08:00","text":"司法院在少年事件的處理程序上建立更明確的評估與檢討機制，讓公平不是口號。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:25:13.444714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:25:16.873286+08:00","text":"5.強化校園安全的具體作為","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:25:17.173286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:25:31.744714+08:00","text":"教室緊急求救鈴、校安人員職責明確化、高風險少年的完整IEP（個別化教育與輔導計畫）──這些都是預防措施，不是懲罰。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:25:32.044714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:25:38.901857+08:00","text":"請教院長，行政院是否能提供更多資源給還拉得住的孩子？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:25:39.201857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:25:44.916143+08:00","text":"院長，這五大訴求背後，是無數家長的焦慮與眼淚。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:25:45.216143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:25:53.216143+08:00","text":"我們不能再失去下一個孩子，請院長今天就給全民一個明確的承諾！","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:25:53.516143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:25:58.373286+08:00","text":"請給孩子「未來帳戶」，更要給他們「守財智慧」！","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:25:58.673286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:26:02.959000+08:00","text":"1.錢，不等於能力；資產，需要智慧守護","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:26:03.259000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:26:18.687571+08:00","text":"不論是藍白提出的「未來帳戶」，或是行政院研議推動的「兒童及少年未來教育發展帳戶」（給7至18歲青少年人生第一桶金），本席都高度肯定。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:26:18.987571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:26:33.844714+08:00","text":"但本席也要提醒院長，如果我們只給孩子「一桶金」，卻沒教會他們「怎麼用這桶金」，這筆錢最後可能會變成一場空，甚至是一場災難。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:26:34.144714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:26:39.573286+08:00","text":"目前我國教育體系仍深陷「升學導向」的舊思維。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:26:39.873286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:26:55.016143+08:00","text":"從國小到高中，孩子學會了複雜的微積分，卻可能看不懂銀行借貸契約；他們知道歷史上的經濟大蕭條，卻不知道什麼是「複利風險」。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:26:55.316143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:27:00.173286+08:00","text":"理財教育不是「選修課」，它是生存的「必修課」。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"202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X5/X7）或大型皮卡。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:36:20.016143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:36:30.873286+08:00","text":"讓「原本就買得起豪車的人」省下幾十萬，大部分民眾希望購買的平民車款，卻對降稅利益無感。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:36:31.173286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:36:48.316143+08:00","text":"然而政府在談判中，台灣對美國開放了幾千項的工業產品關稅，卻未能在協定中爭取到美方對等取消對台灣大多數產品的關稅（仍然有15%的稅率）。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:36:48.616143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:36:58.330429+08:00","text":"這形成了一種「拿台灣（傳產）勞工的生存權，去換取高收入者買便宜豪車」的負面形象。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:36:58.630429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:36:59.773286+08:00","text":"2/13(五)下午","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:37:00.073286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:37:05.787571+08:00","text":"經濟部是否有機制監督進口車降價回饋消費者","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:37:06.087571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:37:22.944714+08:00","text":"我們是一個自由的市場，政府大概沒有辦法去干涉這個廠商的定價策略，不過我想這些成本或是什麼，我們會盡量的把這些提供給消費者參考。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:37:23.244714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:37:40.101857+08:00","text":"如果有一些車廠，它賺的利益實在是超乎我們想象或不合理的範圍，我們當然會讓消費者知道，那消費者可以選擇其他的產品或等等一些情況。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:37:40.401857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:37:44.401857+08:00","text":"經濟部「台美對等貿易協定」記者會","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員羅明才書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-10T15:37:44.701857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T15:37:55.273286+08:00","text":"//www.youtu 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