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存照主席指示好 請內閣同委員謝謝來 請議主委請國安委議主委"},{"start":21.749,"end":47.496,"text":"主委我先請教一下其實去年整個台灣的經濟狀況表現相當的良好很強勁大概是這15年來最佳也是全球第二整個經濟成長率那今年大概預估上看7.7主委你也是經濟學者出身的那你怎麼來看待這個台灣現在整個經濟的道路上包括我們在整個是不是走到一個正確的道路上那今年的整個經濟狀況你怎麼來看"},{"start":48.576,"end":70.57,"text":"我覺得今年的整個經濟狀況的話主技術預估7.7%我覺得還是蠻有機會可以達成那最主要原因就是因為我們的出口會持續的跟去年一樣那因為全球的CSP的大廠大幅度的增加他的資本支出那原本很多預設機構都預估大概只有6100億美元左右但後來都慢慢一直在調升調升那調到現在目前大概有7500億美元左右"},{"start":76.914,"end":106.194,"text":"那這也是為什麼就是說很多機構對於今年的經濟成長的預估他都一直在上調的原因那主計總處大概比較前進一點他調的比較多那我想也最主要看到就是說因為整個台灣的出口相對非常的暢旺那帶動了國內的一些民間的投資還有整個經濟的活動越來越活絡那尤其是我們股市"},{"start":107.274,"end":128.676,"text":"那成績要量一直在創新高所以這也帶動我們國內一些消費的因素所以主委其實也是更認同這個主席總書甚至於更看好有機會更突破這個數字啦好我們當然期待了那另外當然是經濟景氣的部分現在看來這兩個月都是紅的這兩個都是紅的那主委怎麼看呢今年剛開年的狀況一直到年底"},{"start":130.94,"end":148.277,"text":"我覺得這一個部分來講的話景氣燈號我想應該有機會持續的再紅下去因為我們去年來講的話因為出口暢旺的關係對 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而且你也是經濟學的出身的如果這個總預算遲遲的卡住的話我們看的裡面其實有很多包括將近3000億的部分"},{"start":247.478,"end":265.229,"text":"如果此時沒有審的話他會影響到我們後續的一些新增計畫包括我們延續性的計畫的增加的部分甚至於一些預備金的運用這個會不會影響到我們經濟跟我們整個產業的一些發展這當然會因為就整個單從整個政府支出來講的話假如3000億沒有辦法通過的話對於整個國家的GDP的影響的話至少當然有0.01%左右"},{"start":272.053,"end":297.383,"text":"百分之0.1的影響0.01的影響那就整個的他所帶出來的一些外溢的效果的話所以你的0.1只是初估因為他還沒有估到外溢上可能會產生的效果甚至很多的所以我覺得這一塊恐怕也要讓國人更加清楚也要讓立法院的朝野更加清楚這個無論如何不應該讓整個總預算審查影響到國家整個經濟發展跟整個產業上的發展"},{"start":301.905,"end":329.917,"text":"這個可不可以請主委再估算的更清楚一點給我一個數字好不好我希望知道比如說如果我們拖到因為現在看來已經開億了那如果在今年的上半年沒辦法完成總預算的審查這些將近3000億是無法動之的話那對我們的經濟的包括成長率對我們整個所有的這些會產生多大的一個影響這個會請一個禮拜內給我一個評考因為就好像我剛剛跟各位報告就是說我們國內的GDP的產值目前為止的話大概有33兆左右"},{"start":330.336,"end":357.93,"text":"那你再除以大概把它乘以百分之一的話大概就是大概是三千億左右所以這個是我目前大概你用這樣出推但是它一樣會有擴散的效果會有一些成熟效果對這個部分我因為我覺得你也是專家學者也是院長對這些事項要了解我也希望了解一下同時也讓社會各界知道它的影響層面有多大那我覺得可能立法院也要審慎來評估不要因為政治上的因素而影響到國家整體的一個方向"},{"start":358.65,"end":379.7,"text":"再來我請教一下這個大南方新矽谷的這個產業這個也是相當重要其實很多的不管是水到再生水廠到電到各方面這個都持續在發展中那這個如果遲遲不通過其實對南方上面大南方的整個新矽谷是很不公平它影響到的嘉義台南高雄屏東都會影響到所以我也希望這塊持續來加速來通過"},{"start":383.381,"end":397.727,"text":"接下來我想問的因為時間很有限我再問一下那我們的國防特別預算如果他沒有辦法通過的話除了我們的國安的問題跟對美的關係對世界各國的關係以外對我們的產業會不會產生一些重大的影響"},{"start":399.04,"end":417.023,"text":"這個部分當然就是說會接連的會影響到整個國防相關的一些供應鏈的一些問題那譬如說像我們國際國造 國建國造這個部分的進程的話就會被拖慢很多甚至無人機 甚至AI相關的產業嘛 這很多是坐落在"},{"start":417.884,"end":436.304,"text":"台灣的甚至於坐在中南部的文載劇的文件的這些的甚至AI的這個都是那如果我們遲遲沒有辦法來它不只影響到我們國家安全同時影響到我們產業的一個進展對當然這個部分主委有推估過嗎如果不過了跟不過的話對於我們"},{"start":437.665,"end":461.697,"text":"整個產業跟經濟上面的一些影響這部分我目前還沒有資料我是不是等會後也幫我一樣推估看看好不好就是說也讓社會各界更理性的思考這問題它不只是涉及到台灣的國家安全涉及到台灣的外交它也涉及到台灣的整個產業的轉型台灣的升級甚至有很多的產業對這個如果我們政府有挹注到我們本土的產業我們的無人載具我們的AI的這個產業的話它有機會整個升級的好不好"},{"start":463.718,"end":492.389,"text":"這也請主委是不是一樣也一個禮拜的時間也評估一下你們的狀況讓我知道一下最後我再請教一下採劃法的部分其實對於南部其實很不公平這個採劃法所以院版也出來了那但是如果這個採劃法遲遲不通院版遲遲不通過的話其實光高雄就實質損失的目前算起來是144億而捷運的這個短缺就103億這個我想要也請主委幫忙能不能也協調院方那邊也協調一下"},{"start":493.089,"end":508.204,"text":"包括相關的單位裡面讓這些重大的建設不要受到影響就整個軌道建設跟那個捷運建設的話院目前的立場是都不會會優先來質疑嘛對不對不會受到影響嗎 這個很重要因為"},{"start":509.405,"end":535.025,"text":"台北的捷運其實雙北的快速的興建完成了那中南部其實都包括邱委員的往北的包括我們我跟李大委員往南的甚至於黃線都積蓄這些經費那沒拖延有可能就拖延一兩年這個對當地的鄉親是很影響很大的好不好請主委大力來協助推動所以院版的那一個裁判法通過的話其實對於地方跟中央這是第一個第二個也是希望能夠盡快的讓整個補款項能夠補進來的好謝謝"},{"start":539.622,"end":540.066,"text":"好 謝謝代表委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:30:27.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:30:27.786000+08:00","text":"遵照主席指示。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:30:29.048000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:30:29.849000+08:00","text":"請葉主委。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-16T09:30:30.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:30:31.051000+08:00","text":"請國發會葉主委。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T09:30:37.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:30:37.869000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:30:38.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:30:52.513000+08:00","text":"我先請教，去年臺灣的經濟表現相當良好，很強勁，大概是十五年來最佳，經濟成長率是全球第二，至於今年則預估上看7.7%。","quality":0.78},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:30:52.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:30:58.915000+08:00","text":"主委，你是經濟學者出身的，你怎麼看待臺灣現在所走的經濟道路？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:30:59.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:31:02.115000+08:00","text":"我們是不是走在一條正確的道路上？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:31:02.115000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T09:31:03.115000+08:00","text":"對於今年的經濟狀況你要怎麼看待？","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T09:31:02.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:31:11.280000+08:00","text":"以今年的整個經濟狀況來說，主計總處預估為7.7%，我覺得滿有機會可以達成。","quality":0.781},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T09:31:11.661000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:31:21.327000+08:00","text":"最主要的原因在於我們的出口會持續跟去年一樣，且全球的CSP大廠均大幅度增加其資本支出。","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T09:31:21.907000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:31:40.979000+08:00","text":"原本很多預測機構都預估大概只有6,100億美元左右，但後來慢慢調升，調到現在大概為7,500億美元左右，這也是很多機構對於今年經濟成長的預估會一直上調的原因所在！","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T09:31:41.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:32:01.013000+08:00","text":"主計總處大概比較前進一點，調得比較多，我想最主要也是看到整個臺灣的出口相對非常暢旺，帶動國內一些民間投資，且經濟活動也越來越活絡。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T09:32:01.153000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:32:06.538000+08:00","text":"尤其股市的成交量一直在創新高，也帶動國內一些消費。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:32:06.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:32:09.461000+08:00","text":"所以主委也認同主計總處的預估？","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:32:09.461000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:32:12.143000+08:00","text":"甚至於看好有機會突破這個數字？是。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:32:13.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:32:14.045000+08:00","text":"我們也當然期待。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:32:14.646000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:32:24.256000+08:00","text":"另外，有關經濟景氣的部分，現在看來這兩個月都是紅的，以今年剛開年的狀況，主委怎麼看？","quality":0.784},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:32:24.256000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:32:24.656000+08:00","text":"甚至一直到年底？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T09:32:27.781000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:32:35.649000+08:00","text":"就這部分來講，我想景氣燈號應該有機會再持續紅下去，因為去年……","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:32:35.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:32:37.691000+08:00","text":"因為出口暢旺的關係？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T09:32:37.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:32:51.741000+08:00","text":"對，出口暢旺的關係，以去年來講，各位可以想像，去年這個時候我們的出口大致上還維持著平穩狀態，但是在4月2日川普宣布對等關稅之後，整個出口有稍微往下……","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:32:52.262000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:32:52.502000+08:00","text":"往下跌了。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T09:32:53.042000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:32:55.403000+08:00","text":"但後來又逆勢爬上來！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T09:32:55.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:32:59.825000+08:00","text":"所以今年就整個基期來看，我覺得今年還是相對樂觀的。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:33:00.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:33:01.666000+08:00","text":"所以主委是相對樂觀的。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:33:01.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:33:11.731000+08:00","text":"我看了一下製造業的部分，其實台經院也看好今年電子、機械、鋼鐵、石化的景氣狀況會不錯，主委怎麼看？","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T09:33:13.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:33:27.756000+08:00","text":"就這部分來講，尤其是機械、工具機及鋼鐵，假如ART跟MOU能夠順利通過，我覺得對於傳產會有很大的激勵作用。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:33:28.057000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:33:32.478000+08:00","text":"對於我們的技術產業也會是重要的強心針。對。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:33:32.478000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:33:37.540000+08:00","text":"特別是鋼鐵業，這一段時間比較辛苦一點，希望第二季之後能有好的狀況。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:33:38.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:33:44.288000+08:00","text":"至於工具機跟電子業看起來應該是會越來越好，這是我從整體上來看。","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:33:45.609000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:33:53.259000+08:00","text":"現在我要回過頭來問，總預算到現在還沒有過，這對於今年的經濟狀況，包括經濟成長率會不會受到影響？","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:33:53.259000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:33:54.381000+08:00","text":"如果總預算持續沒有過的話？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T09:33:55.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:34:09.728000+08:00","text":"當然，如同我剛剛跟各位所報告的，以我們所統籌的311億來講，大概有102億被卡在總預算裡沒有辦法通過。","quality":0.732},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:34:09.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:34:35.305000+08:00","text":"主委，總的來看，國發會算是一個小內閣，算是政府大腦的角色，加上你是經濟學者出身的，如果總預算遲遲卡住……我們看到裡面有將近3,000億，如果遲遲不審，將影響到後續的新增計畫，包括延續性計畫增加的部分，甚至預備金的運用，如此會不會影響到整個經濟與產業的發展？","quality":0.847},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T09:34:36.246000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:34:36.606000+08:00","text":"當然會！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T09:34:38.748000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:34:50.714000+08:00","text":"單從政府支出來講，假如這3,000億沒有辦法通過，對於整個國家GDP至少有0.01%左右的影響……","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:34:50.714000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:34:51.475000+08:00","text":"0.1%的影響？0.01%。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:34:51.475000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T09:34:52.475000+08:00","text":"0.01%的影響？對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T09:34:51.735000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:34:55.636000+08:00","text":"就整個所帶出來的外溢效果來說……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:34:57.957000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:35:01.719000+08:00","text":"主委，0.01%只是初估，因為尚未估到外溢所可能產生的效果？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T09:35:01.719000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T09:35:02.719000+08:00","text":"對，外溢……","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:35:01.899000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:35:02.439000+08:00","text":"甚至很多的……是、是。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:35:03.099000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:35:10.542000+08:00","text":"所以我覺得這部分必須讓國人更清楚，同時也要讓立法院的朝野更加清楚。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:35:10.682000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:35:13.363000+08:00","text":"無論如何，不應該讓總預算的審查影響到國家的經濟發展跟產業的發展，好不好？","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:35:17.905000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:35:21.907000+08:00","text":"可否請主委估算得更清楚一點，並給我一個數字好不好？好。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:35:22.187000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:35:37.113000+08:00","text":"我希望知道如果拖到……現在已經開議了，如果在今年上半年沒辦法完成總預算審查，這將近3,000億會無法動支，如此，對經濟的成長率、對所有企業會產生多大影響？","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:35:37.113000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:35:38.134000+08:00","text":"可不可以在一個禮拜內給我評估資料？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T09:35:40.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:35:52.019000+08:00","text":"如同我剛剛跟各位所報告的，目前國內GDP產值是33兆左右，再乘以1%，大概是3,000億，這是我目前……","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:35:52.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:35:53.460000+08:00","text":"你用這樣去推估？對。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:35:53.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:35:57.221000+08:00","text":"但是一樣會有擴散效果？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T09:35:57.341000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:35:58.122000+08:00","text":"對，會有一些乘數效果。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T09:35:58.782000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:35:59.042000+08:00","text":"這部分我……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:36:01.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:36:08.387000+08:00","text":"您是專家學者，也擔任過中經院的院長，對這些事應該相當了解，所以我希望能了解一下，同時也讓社會各界知道影響層面有多大。","quality":0.717},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:36:08.807000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:36:13.550000+08:00","text":"我覺得立法院要審慎評估，不要因為政治因素而影響到國家整體發展。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T09:36:13.550000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T09:36:14.650000+08:00","text":"好，沒問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:36:14.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:36:25.055000+08:00","text":"再來我請教一下，大南方新矽谷產業相當重要，從水到再生水廠、到電、到各方面都持續在發展中。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:36:26.035000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:36:35.700000+08:00","text":"如果預算遲遲不通過，其實對大南方新矽谷來說是很不公平的，且嘉義、臺南、高雄、屏東都會影響到，所以我也希望這塊能持續加速通過。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:36:40.262000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:36:53.727000+08:00","text":"因為時間很有限，所以我再請問一下，如果國防特別預算沒有辦法通過的話，除了國安問題、對美關係及對世界各國關係外，對我們的產業會不會產生重大影響？","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T09:36:55.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:37:09.258000+08:00","text":"這部分當然會影響到與國防相關的供應鏈問題，譬如像國機國造、國艦國造的進程就會被拖慢……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:37:09.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:37:15.586000+08:00","text":"甚至無人機、甚至與AI相關的產業，畢竟當中有很多座落於臺灣中南部！對、對。","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:37:16.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:37:21.072000+08:00","text":"像無人載具的無人機、無人艦，甚至AI產業都是。","quality":0.35},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:37:21.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:37:26.778000+08:00","text":"如果遲遲沒有辦法通過，不只會影響到國家安全，同時也會影響到產業的進展。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T09:37:27.378000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:37:27.378000+08:00","text":"對，當然。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:37:28.359000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:37:31.022000+08:00","text":"這部分主委有推估過嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:37:31.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:37:35.946000+08:00","text":"如果沒通過的話對於整個產業與經濟上的影響？","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T09:37:35.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:37:39.128000+08:00","text":"這部分我目前還沒有資料，是不是等會後……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:37:39.668000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:37:40.849000+08:00","text":"幫我推估看看好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:37:41.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:37:50.493000+08:00","text":"也讓社會各界更理性去思考這問題，因為這不僅涉及臺灣的國家安全，也涉及到臺灣的外交，甚至涉及到臺灣整個產業的轉型與升級。","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:37:50.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:37:57.677000+08:00","text":"其實對很多產業來說，特別是政府有挹注到的本土產業、無人載具或AI產業，是有機會整個升級的，好不好？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:37:59.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:38:03.920000+08:00","text":"也一樣請主委在一個禮拜時間內評估一下你們的狀況，並讓我知道。好。","quality":0.793},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:38:04.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:38:08.821000+08:00","text":"最後我要請教財劃法的問題，這對於南部來說其實很不公平。","quality":0.72},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:38:09.742000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:38:34.234000+08:00","text":"院版財劃法已經出來了，但如果院版財劃法遲遲無法通過，光高雄所實質損失的，目前算起來就有144億，而捷運部分也短缺103億，這點我想請主委幫忙，能不能協調院方及相關單位，讓這些重大建設不要受到影響？好。","quality":0.776},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T09:38:34.234000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:38:39.860000+08:00","text":"就整個軌道建設與捷運建設來說，行政院目前的立場是……","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:38:41.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:38:41.021000+08:00","text":"會優先支應？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T09:38:41.021000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T09:38:42.643000+08:00","text":"會優先……","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:38:42.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:38:43.604000+08:00","text":"不會受到影響？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:38:43.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:38:44.004000+08:00","text":"這很重要！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:38:45.405000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:38:58.255000+08:00","text":"其實臺北捷運、雙北捷運都在快速興建，甚至已經完成了，至於中南部，包括邱委員建議往北延的，包括我建議往南延的，包括黃線在內，都急需這些經費。","quality":0.607},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:38:58.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:39:02.078000+08:00","text":"每拖延一次就可能拖延一、兩年，這對當地鄉親來說，影響是很大的！","quality":0.741},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:39:02.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:39:04.060000+08:00","text":"請主委大力協助推動，好不好？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T09:39:04.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:39:08.263000+08:00","text":"所以院版財劃法通過的話，其實對於地方跟中央來講……","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:39:08.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:39:09.484000+08:00","text":"這是第一個。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-16T09:39:09.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:39:11.025000+08:00","text":"第二個，希望整個款項能夠儘快補進來。好。謝謝。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-16T09:39:15.804000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:39:16.066000+08:00","text":"謝謝賴瑞隆委員，謝謝葉主委。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-16T09:39:16.566000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T09:39:26.280286+08:00","text":"賴委員的質詢一向非常有深度，非常有水準，相信他以後備詢時一樣會表現很精彩！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-16T09:39:26.580286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T09:39:36.008857+08: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