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因為這才是比較稍微合理的部分但是還要看他的地點啦沒有錯沒有錯啊 可是我們就要努力啊時間暫停一下我請一下我們移民署的署長好嗎"},{"start":366.459,"end":389.01,"text":"還是請部長往前因為這個是涉及政策部長這個事實上我在之前的會期我就有提出來因為我們現在大家都說軍警消 軍警消事實上裡面也包含海巡還有我們的移民署移民署過去很多同仁是從警察分出來的這個應該您很清楚"},{"start":389.89,"end":406.931,"text":"但是我們現在的這個照護方案就是比較軍人的照護方案不管是他的就醫或者他有沒有這個優惠方案在整個的軍警警消海巡裡面這個的方案獨獨遺漏移民署的同仁"},{"start":407.692,"end":426.658,"text":"我認為這非常不合理第一個移民署的同仁我講過去他們很多都是警方出身的那另外就是移民署的同仁他在第一線執勤的時候他跟警消很多也同樣具有危險性"},{"start":427.838,"end":437.767,"text":"過去我們移民署頭人其實受傷的啦或者在第一線執勤的時候被攻擊所在多有多有聽聞所以部長我為什麼要請你來答覆"},{"start":442.54,"end":462.081,"text":"我們內政部可不可以把這個照護方案獨立移民署的部分把這個洞給補起來讓我們移民署的同仁不會變成好像你的次等同仁在照護方案的時候能夠一律的能夠一視同仁"},{"start":462.401,"end":476.643,"text":"可不可以謝謝王委員的關心我在過年期間也到專請隊去確實有這樣的現象現在我們的裝備跟配備我們希望可以比照警政署同時您剛所提到的照顧方案的部分我們也希望可以比照現在這個在爭取當中"},{"start":478.405,"end":501.713,"text":"好大概什麼時候給我們一點時間來協調因為不會是只有內政部我們還要協調其他的相關單位譬如說像人總他們要同意這樣子的一個方法是不是可以一起試用但是他們的心情程度我們都非常清楚我知道那可不可以今年上半年之前把這整個事情定案可以吧報告委員定案我不敢講但是朝著這個方向我們來協調一定會告訴我們現在的協調方向"},{"start":505.134,"end":526.825,"text":"所以你這邊就是答應我嗎就是未來移民署的同仁我有講到我會來爭取但是因為不一定是由我們來單獨決定所以我們必須要有點時間讓人家有這個協調的空間但是我相信內政部去爭取的話對於移民署同仁來講他們可以感受到這份的關心和溫暖然後我也希望能夠在今年上半年能夠把這個案子定案"},{"start":528.886,"end":552.74,"text":"因為剛才特別提到就是我們現在包含我們首都的這個警消的加擠這部分我是肯定的不是首都是全台灣都有當然因為我是台北市嘛我們長期在對不起我們長期在爭取的是首都加擠當然你是全台灣加擠我們也很肯定但是我覺得就是像這個照覆方案能夠不要遺漏就不要遺漏好不好謝謝委員好 謝謝"},{"start":557.936,"end":558.343,"text":"接下來我們請王美紅"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-16T09:35:07.515000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:35:07.735000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-16T09:35:07.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:35:13.059000+08:00","text":"我請劉部長還有地政司司長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-16T09:35:13.059000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:35:16.883000+08:00","text":"有請劉部長還有林司長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-03-16T09:35:16.883000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T09:35:20.379000+08:00","text":"王委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-16T09:35:20.379000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T09:35:23.875000+08:00","text":"部長、司長好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-16T09:35:23.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:35:32.481000+08:00","text":"住宅三法現在還沒有預告，我想請問你們的草案什麼時候會提出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-03-16T09:35:32.481000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:35:37.524000+08:00","text":"住宅三法的部分，報告委員，上個會期住宅法已經修正通過一部分條文，所以您講的是……","quality":0.743},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-16T09:35:39.025000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:35:44.949000+08:00","text":"我特別關心的是租賃住宅管理條例。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-16T09:35:48.791000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:36:33.719000+08:00","text":"大家在談居住正義，最近我們看整個房租，根據主計總處最新公布的CPI，房租租金的漲幅現在看起來比較趨於緩和，但是長期以來，以都會區（七都）來說，一年的租金漲幅多則可以達到8%以上，像我們臺北市就是8%以上，也有統計我們薪資的漲幅，比如過去5年來薪資漲幅大概只有2%左右，但是租金的漲幅可以到10%或20%，顯然是完全不平衡的。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-16T09:36:33.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:36:37.740000+08:00","text":"我想請問一下，我們現在推動的租賃住宅管理條例裡面，關於如何讓租金凍漲、讓租約穩定，我想這是整個房屋市場大家所高度關注的。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-16T09:37:01.246000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:37:05.067000+08:00","text":"如果部長搞不清楚的話，是不是可以請司長回答我？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-16T09:37:07.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:37:14.192000+08:00","text":"住宅三法裡面，特別在租金租賃市場的部分，你們什麼時候預告？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-16T09:37:15.893000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:37:17.734000+08:00","text":"方向是不是已經確定了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-03-16T09:37:18.905000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:37:30.155000+08:00","text":"有關租賃條例的部分，當然我們都會關心租客本身的權益，剛剛委員所提到的部分現在都還沒確定，但是我們研議的方向，我請司長跟您報告一下。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-16T09:37:30.996000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:37:38.963000+08:00","text":"我所關心的是，第一個，是不是確定要限制3年租金不得上漲？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"林司長家正：跟委員報告","start":"2026-03-16T09:37:41.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:37:53.759000+08:00","text":"我們租賃條例之前提出來的規劃方向，第一個是保障雙方（房客、房東）的權益，包含面對不良房東，房客如何處理，那個部分沒有問題。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-16T09:37:53.759000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T09:37:56.823000+08:00","text":"我時間有限，把時間縮短，找重點說明。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"林司長家正","start":"2026-03-16T09:37:56.823000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:38:01.124000+08:00","text":"第二個有關租期跟租金漲幅限制的部分，我們之前有開公聽會，也包含……","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-16T09:38:01.124000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:38:01.424000+08:00","text":"這個方向確定了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林司長家正","start":"2026-03-16T09:38:01.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:38:02.525000+08:00","text":"這個部分大家的意見比較分歧，所以我們現在也在研議當中。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-16T09:38:02.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:38:02.905000+08:00","text":"好，所以這個部分還沒有完全確定。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"林司長家正","start":"2026-03-16T09:38:02.925000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:38:03.005000+08:00","text":"對，現在的話還沒有完全確定。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-16T09:38:03.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:38:42.125000+08:00","text":"我要特別說的是這個立意良善，希望讓租金凍漲，但是我們比較擔心的是……比如規定一杯咖啡3年不能漲價，但是你規定3年不能漲價，我現在賣的時候就先漲價，所以可能造成租金第一波就開始上漲，這是特別要注意的。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-16T09:38:42.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:38:43.086000+08:00","text":"所以到目前為止，你們還在研議，還沒有完全確定。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-16T09:38:43.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:39:08.071000+08:00","text":"部長，我要特別說，我們在談居住正義，因為社宅現在數量其實已經跳票了，原定13萬戶變成4萬戶，但是有關租金負擔率，我希望內政部要有一個目標。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-16T09:39:09.132000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:39:35.867000+08:00","text":"以我們雙北的租金市場來講，很多人都講今天租金大概是薪資的一半以上，事實上對於大部分上班族的負擔非常非常重，合理的租金應該起碼降到三成以下，能不能以這個目標往前邁進？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-16T09:39:36.108000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:39:44.410000+08:00","text":"否則的話，我們談了十多年的居住正義，談到現在租金依然高、房價依然偏高，居住正義永遠沒有辦法實現。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-03-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們還要協調其他相關單位，譬如像人總，他們要同意這樣的方案是不是可以一起適用，但是他們的辛勤程度，我們都非常清楚。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-16T09:43:16.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:43:21.312000+08:00","text":"我知道，那可不可以今年上半年之前，把這整個事情定案，可以吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-16T09:43:21.312000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T09:43:22.312000+08:00","text":"因為這個大概3個月時間……","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-03-16T09:43:22.152000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:43:24.693000+08:00","text":"報告委員，定案我不敢講，但是我們朝著這個方向來協調，一定會告訴委員我們現在的協調方向。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-16T09:43:28.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:43:32.036000+08:00","text":"好，所以你這邊就是答應我，就是未來把移民署的同仁納進……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-03-16T09:43:33.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:43:36.878000+08:00","text":"我會爭取，我有講到我會來爭取，但是因為不一定是由我們來單獨決定……","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-16T09:43:36.878000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T09:43:37.878000+08:00","text":"我知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-03-16T09:43:37.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:43:40.620000+08:00","text":"所以我們必須有點時間讓人家有協調的空間。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-16T09:43:40.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:43:46.844000+08:00","text":"但是我相信內政部去爭取的話，對移民署同仁來講，他們可以感受到這份關心和溫暖……","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-03-16T09:43:46.844000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T09:43:47.844000+08:00","text":"是，我知道，我知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-16T09:43:47.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:43:49.805000+08:00","text":"然後我也希望在今年上半年能夠把這個案子定案。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-16T09:43:51.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:43:59.611000+08:00","text":"因為剛才也特別提到，現在包含我們首都的警消加給，這部分我是肯定的……","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-03-16T09:43:59.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:44:01.251000+08:00","text":"不是首都，是全臺灣都有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-16T09:44:01.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:44:04.273000+08:00","text":"當然，因為我是臺北市的立法委員，我們比較長期在……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-03-16T09:44:04.273000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T09:44:05.273000+08:00","text":"對不起，抱歉、抱歉。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-16T09:44:05.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:44:15.700000+08:00","text":"對不起，我們長期在爭取的是首都加給，當然你是全臺灣加給，我們也很肯定，但是我覺得像這個照顧方案，能夠不要遺漏就不要遺漏，好不好？謝謝。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-03-16T09:44:15.700000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T09:44:16.700000+08:00","text":"我知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-03-16T09:44:15.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:44:15.740000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-16T09:44:20.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:44:21.323000+08:00","text":"接下來請王美惠委員。","quality":0.667}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}