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請說明"},{"start":499.551,"end":509.841,"text":"跟委員報告就是說經濟部已經啟動液化天然瓦斯他有三個措施一個是提前調貨然後在亞洲部分也在做調貨還有從市場買現貨三個階段來存"},{"start":515.886,"end":541.306,"text":"該做那個調度的作業那目前可以確保的是國內3月跟4月的天然液化天然瓦斯供應是沒有問題的那也會完成國際新的新約的簽訂那從6月起的話美國的那個進口的氣的那個天然氣會這樣大幅提高那個比例那同時也掌握了很多傳奇的一些調度這樣子那在3月的話統裝瓦斯是不會漲的"},{"start":543.116,"end":565.628,"text":"所以這個能源的部分本席還是具體建議因為這個比照國安的這個議題非常的嚴肅的一個議題你只有說在3月份沒問題但是我們的安全存量是不是還是依照目前的只有12天因為日本30天韓國50天我們到底是什麼民眾不清楚我希望你把具體的"},{"start":567.489,"end":572.471,"text":"這個這個天數以及怎麼調配給社會大眾來了解也給本席一個書面資料最後我給你一個功課也就是我一直強調的我們的人口已經達到26個月負成長我也跟你前任的這個主委一直在討論這個議題跟你討論過"},{"start":586.619,"end":603.395,"text":"所以本席給你一個功課也就是在今年2月份的時候我們看到這個數字是破天荒的數字而且我們預估今年的出生率大概不到9萬人那在這樣的情況之下會影響到我們整個的生產力也一樣"},{"start":603.936,"end":618.402,"text":"比較國安的議題在做嚴肅的一個討論目前你們所做的生育養育這一些的政策在做但是我們看到的答案反而是越來越下降所以我本席具體建議請你去盤點目前你的這個方案已經不可行的時候你要怎麼樣去調整你的精進方案你把這個精進方案一個月內給本席好好的去研議"},{"start":631.127,"end":658.143,"text":"要不然你用了這麼多錢但是你的答案反而是預估今年是達不到9萬那這個是大家非常憂心的一件事情因為你要怎麼樣將人口的結構好好的去規劃那這個是本席具體要求一個月內將你們經濟的方案給本席好 謝謝好 非常謝謝楊瓊議員那請葉主委一個月之內提供也委員需要的資料好 請主委回座"},{"start":659.963,"end":661.554,"text":"好 下一位委員請振振前委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T09:58:57+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T09:58:58+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，楊瓊瓔發言，邀請主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-16T09:58:58+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T09:58:59+08:00","text":"國發會葉主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T09:58:57.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:58:57.103000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T09:59:15.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:59:16.114000+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T09:59:17.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:59:27.783000+08:00","text":"國發會在3月9號，你表示1月份的景氣燈號是亮紅燈，認為國內的經濟是穩定成長。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T09:59:27.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:59:43.576000+08:00","text":"但同樣地在這段時間裡頭，我們看到中東的戰事升溫，而且荷姆茲海峽航運受阻，整個全球能源供應進入緊張的狀況。","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T09:59:45.757000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:00:05.097000+08:00","text":"我們看到世界各國都已經開始在做管控或者節能的預備動作，像印度他們很多餐館也因為能源問題而準備要歇業；像越南也要求企業必須要遠距辦公來節省燃料，他們都在節能。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T10:00:05.457000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:00:53.125000+08:00","text":"再看我們國內，我們看到台塑化跟台塑發出了不可抗力的通知，所以在上游的乙烯跟丙烯供應不是很確定，下游塑膠包材的報價也已經都在上漲，而且據聞市場價大概上漲了兩成，6兩的塑膠提袋漲幅也大概有四成左右，尤其是醫療用的乳膠手套也出現了缺貨，這個在醫界非常的重要，也有廠商不敢報價，也不敢報量。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T10:00:53.225000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:01:34.292000+08:00","text":"在這樣的情況之下，桶裝瓦斯的價格現在大概漲了40塊左右，所以顯示能源的衝擊已經從整個石化產業趨向末端的民生，但是官方的景氣燈號是顯示紅燈，而且是穩定的成長，並沒有看到能源緊縮所帶來的能源結構性風險。","quality":0.835},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T10:01:34.753000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:01:54.944000+08:00","text":"針對整個的評估，主委，我要請教，當全球都已經進入到能源爭奪跟供應商不是很確定的一個時代，連石化業的原料都出現不可抗力，民生物資也開始在漲價的情況，對於你們發布的連續亮紅燈你是不是會擔心？","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T10:02:01.227000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:02:06.891000+08:00","text":"有沒有將剛剛本席所說的這些因子放入裡面？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T10:02:08.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:02:09.573000+08:00","text":"還是你認為我們的能源沒問題，我們有買不完的原料來源？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T10:02:14.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:02:24.617000+08:00","text":"因為中東的軍事衝突是在2月底的時候，我們國發會的景氣燈號2月的時候其實是在統計資料，但是……","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T10:02:26.459000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:02:28.501000+08:00","text":"也要謝謝主委，你真正誠實。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T10:02:28.501000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T10:02:29.922000+08:00","text":"但是跟委員報告……","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T10:02:29.922000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:02:59.629000+08:00","text":"主委，你等一下，我要讓社會大眾了解，因為大家有疑慮，也謝謝主委你說的，你是在2月初發布紅燈的燈號，而這一些事項是在2月中、2月底陸續出來，所以換句話說，2月初所發布的紅燈沒有包括剛剛本席所說的中東的戰爭以及能源的危機，是不是？","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T10:03:01.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:03:01.222000+08:00","text":"我們發布的是1月的景氣燈號。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T10:03:01.542000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:03:01.923000+08:00","text":"對，所以沒有納入嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T10:03:02.103000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:03:55.766000+08:00","text":"對，2月的還沒有，這個部分來講的話，因為鄭副院長召開的穩定物價小組現在變成每一個禮拜都會開，在上個禮拜他也宣示大概五項措施，也就是雙緩漲及專案的緩漲，還有對於汽、柴油以及大宗原物料稅負的減徵也擴大到百分之五十，對於農業的部分，他也持續在關注肥料價格這個部分，其他的部分政府部門也都會關注整個物價的波動情勢，避免業者哄抬價錢或是壟斷。","quality":0.876},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T10:03:55.766000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:04:07.015000+08:00","text":"還好主委你說明了，因為你在3月9號表示今年1月是紅燈，大家會誤以為我們2月、3月也都是紅燈，所以本席也希望你們所做的措施要讓社會大眾了解，我們要釐清楚，要將這些因子納入進來。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T10:04:07.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:04:08.496000+08:00","text":"講到了末端的民生，這是最重要的，所以本席具體建議，桶裝瓦斯不能漲，好好的照顧我們民生的價格穩定。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T10:04:31.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:04:34.934000+08:00","text":"經濟部好像有宣布……","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T10:04:35.695000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:04:38.477000+08:00","text":"不是好像，連你都不知道，什麼叫好像？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T10:04:39.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:04:44.863000+08:00","text":"你是國發會主委，掌控了各部會所有最重要的資訊，你還笑得出來！","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T10:04:45.024000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:04:51.609000+08:00","text":"這個對於我們民生的物價漲跌這麼重要，因為桶裝瓦斯漲，小吃店要漲，小吃店漲，民生又全部一起漲，那這怎麼辦呢？","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T10:04:51.629000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:04:51.990000+08:00","text":"你怎麼會連這個都不知道呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T10:04:52.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:04:52.930000+08:00","text":"3月我們是不會漲的，然後之後會再跟中油這邊來協調。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T10:04:52.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:04:53.771000+08:00","text":"所以本席具體要求，桶裝瓦斯是牽涉到民生非常重要的關鍵，絕對不能漲，好不好？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T10:05:18.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:05:25.949000+08:00","text":"會來協調，3月已經不會漲了，但4月接下來的幾個月我們會協調，我們會看整個中東軍事衝突的規模以及引發的效應……","quality":0.766},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T10:05:26.489000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:05:46.082000+08:00","text":"主委，你身為國發會的主委，我是很敬重你，這樣子重大的政策跟民生的議題一定要清清楚楚，讓人民放心，所以我再次具體要求，當有這樣不可抗力的因子存在的時候，我們的桶裝瓦斯一定不能漲，好好的照顧民生，對不對？嗯。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T10:05:47.043000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:05:50.464000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝你的回答，這個點頭是對的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T10:05:51.344000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:06:20.116000+08:00","text":"本席要請教，在能源的方面，卡達供氣的不確定性一直在增加，我們現在雖然有14個國家，但是卡達的進口量還是占了三分之一，剛剛你們說你們有去調整，但是我們看到我們液化天然氣的安全存量大概是12天，日本是30天，韓國是50天，在這樣的情況之下，行政院說短期我們可以趕快去買，增加美國的氣源占比，但是在短期來說，我們到底要怎麼樣能夠讓人民安心？","quality":0.89},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T10:06:20.236000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:06:57.279000+08:00","text":"能源不足、供應不穩定如果成為常態性的話，對於整個產業、對於整個國安以及對於整個經濟的韌性影響非常大，所以本席要請教國發會主委，我們未來要怎麼去應對剛才本席所說的這個能源問題？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T10:06:57.279000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:07:14.490000+08:00","text":"不能只有說我們準備4月份火力要開，本席站在臺中的立場，中火的部分依照既有的量數都已經有制度、有規範，也要照顧我們中部地區人民的健康，這是本席非常堅持的。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T10:07:16.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:07:34.708000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，經濟部已經啟動液化天然瓦斯的三個措施，一個是提前調貨，第二是在亞洲部分也在做調貨，還有從市場買現貨，以三個階段來做調度的作業。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T10:07:34.848000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:07:58.286000+08:00","text":"目前可以確保的是國內3月跟4月液化天然瓦斯的供應是沒有問題的，也會完成國際新約的簽訂，從6月起，從美國進口的天然氣比例將會大幅提高，同時也掌握了很多船期的調度，在3月桶裝瓦斯是不會漲的。","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T10:08:00.736000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:08:16.004000+08:00","text":"有關能源的部分本席還是具體建議，因為這個比照國安的議題，是非常嚴肅的一個議題，你只有說在3月份沒問題，但是我們的安全存量目前是不是還是只有12天？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T10:08:16.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:08:25.809000+08:00","text":"因為日本30天，韓國50天，民眾不清楚我們到底是怎麼樣，我希望你把具體的天數以及怎麼調配讓社會大眾了解，也給本席一個書面資料。好。","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T10:08:26.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:09:14.341000+08:00","text":"最後，我給你一個功課，也就是我一直強調的，我們的人口已經連續26個月負成長，我也跟你前任的主委一直在討論這個議題，也跟你討論過，所以本席給你一個功課，也就是在今年2月份的時候我們看到這個數字是破天荒的數字，而且我們預估今年的出生人口大概不到9萬人，這樣的情況會影響到我們整個的生產力，也一樣比照國安的議題做嚴肅的討論，目前你們在做生育、養育的政策，但是我們看到的答案，出生數反而是越來越下降，所以本席具體建議，請你去盤點，目前你的方案已經不可行的時候，要怎麼樣去調整你的精進方案？","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T10:09:14.862000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:09:42.435000+08:00","text":"這個精進方案請你一個月內給本席，好好的去研議，要不然你用了這麼多錢，但是你的答案反而是預估今年達不到9萬，這個是大家非常憂心的一件事情，你要怎麼樣將人口的結構好好的去規劃？","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-03-16T10:09:43.236000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:09:47.778000+08:00","text":"這個是本席具體的要求，一個月內將你們精進的方案給本席，謝謝。好。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-16T10:09:47.999000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:09:55.123000+08:00","text":"非常謝謝楊瓊瓔委員，請葉主委一個月之內提供楊委員需要的資料，請主委回座。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-16T10:09:57.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:09:57.809000+08:00","text":"下一位請鄭正鈐委員質詢。","quality":0.455}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}