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那接下來就是海關號的部分我想這個國人也非常非常的關心這個 這個所以我們現在做很多測試嘛現在是這個潛航測試不曉得現在進度狀況怎麼樣是不是可以簡單跟我們大家說一下"},{"start":425.974,"end":441.56,"text":"委員好 海軍參謀長報告目前已經完成潛航第六次海測目前在持續按照後續的測像跟相關的準備現在正在緊如密鼓在準備會按照一個安全的條件來做後續的測試 以上報告"},{"start":442.16,"end":459.725,"text":"對 所以現在原來的相關的一些行程還在進行中那因為這個好像有一些delay所以會產生一些計法的狀況不曉得現在計法的狀況可能是到最後交界的時候才會處理那不曉得現在的狀況是怎麼樣我想國人你都非常的關心"},{"start":461.024,"end":481.446,"text":"跟委員報告相關的計法的部分因為依照合約我們會在交件之後才會依照整個delay的整個時間我們來做一月的計法但是由於這個計法的這個基準我們有些精進空間現在已經在跟台穿做一些平台再看看後面的依照合約的計法我們怎麼來修正跟改正這個目前正在作業"},{"start":482.507,"end":499.281,"text":"所以有現在比較確定的狀況嗎?比如說大概我們要怎麼樣處理這件事情?包括哪些功能或是哪些項目?剛剛您說的,有進一步的資訊嗎?目前沒有,如果有會再跟委員這邊做報告"},{"start":500.181,"end":523.349,"text":"那現在看起來交建的狀況不曉得國防部這邊大概預期的交建的預期大概會抓到什麼時候跟委員報告因為我們是合約的甲方我們一定是要完成它的品質跟合乎海軍的作戰需求那會請台船依照合約然後我們會來做狀況管理那現在先完成整個海上測試之後才能談到後續的交建的期程"},{"start":524.009,"end":550.183,"text":"是 所以專案管理很重要我想隨時都希望能夠跟我們做一些報告有一些delay我們過去在學校非常care這個事情做專案管理才不會到最後一拖拖拖整個就拖下去了另外就是其實我加入外交國防委員會因為有特別預算我就一直在看看我們國內重獲軍工武器的一個狀況我特別就去查了一個這個概念"},{"start":552.584,"end":573.533,"text":"這個應該有啦,就五年兵力的整件計畫啦那我想這個應該跟我們整個軍購啦,或者我們自製的一些武器會有很大的關係不過我剛來之前,我發現好像很多報道說這個裡面很多機密啦後來去查了一下,好像國防法三四項,是分兩種嘛就所謂的有機密的也有公開的啦,應該是上海對吧,不曉得國防部長"},{"start":575.314,"end":604.013,"text":"是對啦 應該是有可以公開的部分啦就是上次的那個很多這個資訊是有問題的對 不涉密的部分可以公開所以我想希望未來我們不管各項的這個包括我們最近的軍購都能夠大概告訴我們一下這個五年這個兵力的狀況怎麼樣跟我們因為現在有兩類嘛一個是general的budget就一般的預算裡面也有這種所謂special那這兩者到底要怎麼樣balance我想我們都非常想要知道"},{"start":605.472,"end":620.371,"text":"大概是...報委員,我們的確每一個會期,我們都會向大院這邊來做兵力整建的報告但這個報告的內容,我們揭露的主要是我們目前正在執行中的主要武器裝備的籌貨"},{"start":622.113,"end":648.672,"text":"那五年兵力 國防部本身的五年兵力整建計畫的內容它是屬於我們國防部內部機密評估未來我們所需求的項目那這個部分兩者是不一樣的一個是我們內部的建軍文件一個是對大院所做的報告所以兩者之間在這個國防法裡面律定我們的跟那個所以我指的是公開的部分啦對 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integration非常非常重要，因為我們現在有很多來自不同的……我們籌獲了很多包括最近要跟美國買一些武器。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-03-16T10:11:57.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:12:08+08:00","text":"所以基本上整合對我們來說非常重要，因為我們系統裡面可能有一些是美規的系統，也有一些是我們自製的系統，不知道這在整合上會不會有什麼樣的困難？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"鍾副部長樹明","start":"2026-03-16T10:12:10.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:12:22.110000+08:00","text":"對於剛剛所提，就如我在前面跟所有委員報告的當中，戰場管理系統要如何去整合美製的防空武器以及臺灣製的防空武器，這確實是我們未來要努力的方向。","quality":0.831},{"speaker":"鍾副部長樹明","start":"2026-03-16T10:12:22.791000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:12:48.540000+08:00","text":"我要再次說明的是，IBCS當然是美國陸軍現行的戰場管理系統，這是我們目前評估的選項之一，也有其他的戰場管理系統在做相關的研討跟磋商，所以後續會有一個比較具體……因為我們的專案辦公室目前也在研究相關的戰場管理系統，做相關的研究跟評估當中，這是其中一個選項。是。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-03-16T10:12:49.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:12:54.902000+08:00","text":"因為國外這個系統在整合上其實都不是非常非常OK，包括丹麥，他們最近都還遲遲沒有簽約。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-03-16T10:12:55.542000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:13:04.364000+08:00","text":"我想現在要購置整個國防的整合系統，希望國防部對於這件事情，尤其這次有美伊的衝突，基本上也要把這些事情列入參考。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-03-16T10:13:04.824000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:13:13.528000+08:00","text":"至於它的效益，我也想要知道一下，是不是國防部可能有一些進一步的資訊可以提供給我們辦公室做一些參考？好。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-03-16T10:13:14.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:13:27.056000+08:00","text":"另外，無人機我想大家今天都提到很多，或是我們過去在講整個軍購的部分，我們先不要講新的，先講過去MQ-9B的部分，因為這是110年的預算，不曉得現在交貨的狀況怎麼樣？","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"李參謀長慶然","start":"2026-03-16T10:13:27.056000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T10:13:34.185000+08:00","text":"委員好，我是空軍參謀長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李參謀長慶然","start":"2026-03-16T10:13:34.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:13:44.448000+08:00","text":"MQ-9B這整個專案目前都是按計畫來進行，預計在今年第三季首兩架會回到臺灣。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-03-16T10:13:44.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:13:47.048000+08:00","text":"所以按照原來的期程是沒有問題的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李參謀長慶然","start":"2026-03-16T10:13:47.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:13:49.229000+08:00","text":"是，完全按照計畫。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-03-16T10:13:49.609000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:14:06.018000+08:00","text":"非常好，基本上除了軍購的部分，我們國內尤其像中科院，也有開發一些無人機防禦系統，過去好像有一些狀況，上一個會期好像也有講到延宕的事情，是不是因為鏡頭的關係？","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-03-16T10:14:07.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:14:11.083000+08:00","text":"是不是請國防部做一下說明，這個問題是不是已經解決了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-03-16T10:14:11.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:14:15.428000+08:00","text":"是不是可以如期地做一些研發或籌獲？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"鍾副部長樹明","start":"2026-03-16T10:14:15.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:14:17.010000+08:00","text":"我請中科院院長說明。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"李院長世強","start":"2026-03-16T10:14:19.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:14:30.227000+08:00","text":"報告委員，沒有錯，在初期執行的時候，的確因為俄烏戰爭的關係，我們關鍵的鏡頭組件從國外進口造成了延宕，現在這整個部分全部都是百分之百在國內自製。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-03-16T10:14:31.748000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:14:34.770000+08:00","text":"所以是不是已經改成就連那個鏡頭的部分都由我們自己來做？是。","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-03-16T10:14:35.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:14:53.880000+08:00","text":"因為上次那個時候我也跟著國昌委員到美國去，其實美方也跟我們講了很多關於供應鏈供應的問題，我想在這個武器的籌獲上，可能還是要把這些因素考慮進去，讓軍工的部分、武器的部分能夠如期拿到。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-03-16T10:14:56.256000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:15:11.933000+08:00","text":"接下來就是海鯤號的部分，我想國人也非常非常地關心，我們現在做了很多測試，現在是潛航測試，不知道現在的進度狀況怎麼樣，是不是可以簡單跟我們大家說一下？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"邱參謀長俊榮","start":"2026-03-16T10:15:12.974000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:15:13.214000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱參謀長俊榮","start":"2026-03-16T10:15:13.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:15:28.240000+08:00","text":"海軍參謀長報告，目前已經完成潛航的第六次海測，正持續按照後續的測項跟相關的整備在緊鑼密鼓地準備，會按照一個安全的條件來做後續的測試。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"邱參謀長俊榮","start":"2026-03-16T10:15:28.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:15:28.540000+08:00","text":"以上報告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-03-16T10:15:29.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:15:32.061000+08:00","text":"所以原來相關一些其它工作現在還在進行當中？是的。","quality":0.409},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-03-16T10:15:34.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:15:40.583000+08:00","text":"因為這個好像有一些delay，所以會採取一些計罰的狀況，不曉得現在計罰的狀況怎麼樣？","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-03-16T10:15:40.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:15:45.124000+08:00","text":"可能是到最後交艦的時候才會處理，但不曉得現在的狀況是怎麼樣？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-03-16T10:15:45.124000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:15:46.705000+08:00","text":"我想國人也都非常地關心。","quality":0.818},{"s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