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還是屬於經濟部的業務"},{"start":66.745,"end":95.228,"text":"產業的話我認為應該是運動部跟經濟部要一起這個當然是跨部會的我查過日本日本是他們文部省下面有個運動廳加上他們的這個內閣裡面的這個經濟產業省METC共同去規劃政策去執行編列預算不可能單一這個由運動部或者由經濟部所以你看他們的職棒"},{"start":96.53,"end":105.929,"text":"幾乎每一場他們有兩個聯盟球隊那麼多每一場都是客滿每一場都滿場不只職棒他們的職單也是如此"},{"start":107.454,"end":133.082,"text":"職業足球也是如此職業足球現在人數超過這個值棒所以這就是有政策在推動過去20年前台灣的這個男子足球水平跟日本是一樣的現在日本已經變成全世界這個前10名的這個非常重要的強隊那台灣還是100多名如果政府有政策支持"},{"start":134.451,"end":161.528,"text":"一個產業就會發展所以這個部分我是希望說國會站在一個協調規劃的一個角色能夠跟經濟部跟這個運動部結合起來看看怎麼樣讓台灣不用現在台灣有大巨蛋農藥4萬可是他們滿場的機率不大那當然比過去幾年進步很多了歸舉大概不到1萬現在這個去年的數據大概都超過1萬但日本是4萬"},{"start":164.125,"end":191.246,"text":"美國也是如此所以我是期待說未來啊這個我也想說基金委員會是如果有機會去考察考察日本怎麼樣去推動運動產業的發展包括從大巨蛋的選址規劃這個也是國家重要的政策然後產業怎麼樣去透過減稅優惠然後讓越多的企業能夠投入這個"},{"start":193.372,"end":220.606,"text":"讓民眾能夠把它當作這個生活的一個部分這樣子運動產業能夠振興起來這個運動帶動國力所以這種我希望說是不是儘快由國安委去統和了那以下台日關係友好您私人身份可不可以去日本可以啊可以嘛當然你是這個政府重要的這個算是閣員也是日本相當於大臣"},{"start":222.216,"end":239.447,"text":"國發會定位你相對日本他們是哪一個大臣應該是經濟安保吧我的認知經濟安保是內閣府底下的特命擔當大臣經濟安保特命大臣還有金融特命金融大臣是屬於任務編組有時候奧運什麼奧運大臣"},{"start":243.055,"end":270.274,"text":"所以他現在就是大概是Akazawa是斥責大臣負責美日的這個關稅談判就是斥責但是他平常另外還有一個經濟產業省是斥責亮正我剛剛說的是小野田小野田紀美是目前高市首相非常重要的左右手所以高市首相任命他為內閣府的所謂經濟再生這個經濟產業大臣"},{"start":273.51,"end":278.175,"text":"所以這個部分我希望說如果我們台日關係那麼友好"},{"start":279.979,"end":305.321,"text":"這國化會也可以試著這個突破是不是跟他們的這個內閣府裡面的這個這個產業經濟產業這個再生大臣啊或者他們相關的這些主管或者是經濟產業省MVTC有一些業務的交流他們包括少子化的對策包括這個運動產業怎麼去振興啊他們都很完整這個幕僚的規劃"},{"start":307.495,"end":319.23,"text":"所以我覺得這個台日之間在官方特別是非安全部門經濟部門的這個這個事務階層或者官方階層的這個官員的這個協調啊"},{"start":322.831,"end":348.668,"text":"這個很重要 這個主委你會不會去規劃有有有 目前正在規劃怎麼樣來進行加深就是說日本的一些經濟政策 尤其是經濟安保這一塊以及其他的一些 譬如說像委員講的一些運動產業的發展不是派一個經濟組的同仁收集資料 我是說你要從團去對對對 會會會拜訪他們的 包括小野田 紀美這個大臣 包括施澤亮這大臣會過嗎"},{"start":350.109,"end":377.692,"text":"因為提出這個需求 我想以現在高市所向對台灣的友好行政院54年第一次去到日本同樣我覺得有很多過去做不到的我們趁著這個台日關係最友好的時候能夠去突破也許你可以代團 代經濟部 代局部有在規劃跟他們討論什麼樣的 各項政策 少子化什麼樣的都可以跟他們請教"},{"start":379.279,"end":402.029,"text":"好 謝謝外人另外這個大巨蛋就是說不要說大巨蛋我認為說這個AI時代應該是大製彈Smart Dong不是一個很傳統的蓋一個大型室內的場館這個不要重複資源浪費要選擇一個最有力的場址不要每個縣市都去設要去協調協調北 中 南"},{"start":406.158,"end":432.361,"text":"都有一個大型室內表演或是比賽場館也許因地制宜台北市大概有4萬可能南部就不需要那麼多南部可能就是2萬然後你要有捷運通過你要有產業的配合比方說我的選區就是鋼三橋頭是螺絲扣進的重鎮也有鋼鐵也有捷運高速公路也方便離機場也近"},{"start":433.991,"end":462.182,"text":"而且還有這個三級棒球的這個這個訓練基地這個我希望說未來可以藉由其他國家經驗有好的交通環境有這個相關的這個後勤的安排後勤補給這個不要那麼大這個Smart Dong把AI導入用最經濟的這個生產的成本比如我們是鋼鐵扣件這些是我們在地的原料"},{"start":463.45,"end":475.673,"text":"人才也多土地又是台堂的所以這部分國安會應該要去協調而不是由各當各縣市自己去爭奪戰如果你誕生的不好那後面的維管問題很嚴重誕生的好啊帶動運動產業的發展我認為啊未來這個大型運動場館室內運動場館的這個開發建設這個要比照捷運"},{"start":493.911,"end":500.137,"text":"中央要支持 要審查通過之後給一些地方政府一些建議加上裁員補助"},{"start":502.107,"end":528.732,"text":"這個諸位您覺得呢就這個部分來講的話我們會從我們自己國發會本身開始做因為我也在思考就是說我們中興新村裡面有很多運動場館但那個運動場館不見得是放假我們沒有提到中興新村我是提到我南部那一塊我知道我知道但就是說對於整個運動產業的規劃來講的話我們會開始先從我們自己我是召委我要以身作則因為時間到了那其他的問題我日後再跟你請教好沒問題沒問題謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:29:56.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:29:58.668000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請國發會葉主委。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-16T10:29:59.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:29:59.228000+08:00","text":"請葉主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T10:29:59.228000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T10:30:04.991000+08:00","text":"召委早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:30:04.991000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:30:05.871000+08:00","text":"主委，辛苦了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:30:06.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:30:20.658000+08:00","text":"我想國發會主要在政府裡面的定位是要規劃協調國家重大的政策，規劃很重要，協調也很重要，有些重大的政策是牽涉到跨部會。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:30:21.458000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:30:34.747000+08:00","text":"我要請教一下葉主委，第一個問題，運動產業如果能夠發展得好是一個很大的商機，如果規劃不好，就會變成看球賽的人少，周邊的商機也少。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:30:35.647000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:30:46.195000+08:00","text":"以日本的例子來看，日本的運動產業過去二、三十年發展得非常好，我想請問您，如果要推動運動產業的發展，這個是屬於運動部的業務還是屬於經濟部的業務？","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T10:30:51.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:30:56.609000+08:00","text":"就產業的話，我認為運動部跟經濟部應該要一起。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:30:57.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:30:59.031000+08:00","text":"這個當然是跨部會啦！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:30:59.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:31:28.263000+08:00","text":"我查過日本，日本是文部省下面有一個運動廳，加上他們內閣裡面的經濟產業省（METI）共同規劃政策去執行、編列預算，不可能單一由運動部或者由經濟部，所以你看他們的職棒有兩個聯盟，球隊那麼多，幾乎每一場都是客滿，每一場都是滿場。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:31:28.263000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:31:41.897000+08:00","text":"不止職棒，他們的職籃也是如此，職業足球也是如此，職業足球現在人數超過職棒，所以這就是有政策在推動。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:31:42.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:31:54.781000+08:00","text":"二十年前，臺灣男子足球水平跟日本是一樣的，現在日本已經變成全世界前十名非常重要的強隊，但臺灣還是一百多名。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:31:55.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:32:29.806000+08:00","text":"如果政府有政策支持，一個產業就會發展，所以這個部分，我是希望國發會站在協調規劃的一個角色，能夠跟經濟部、運動部結合起來，看看怎麼樣讓臺灣不用……現在臺灣有大巨蛋可以容納四萬人，可是滿場的機率不大，這當然比過去幾年進步很多，過去幾年大概不到一萬，去年的數據大概都超過一萬，但日本是四萬，美國也是如此。","quality":0.888},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:32:30.426000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:33:07.137000+08:00","text":"所以我期待經濟委員會未來如果有機會能去考察日本怎麼樣推動運動產業的發展，包括從大巨蛋的選址規劃，這個也是國家重要的政策，然後產業怎麼樣透過減稅優惠，讓更多的企業能夠投入，讓民眾能夠把它當作生活的一部分，進而能夠振興運動產業，讓運動帶動國力。","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:33:08.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:33:17.682000+08:00","text":"所以我希望儘快由國發會去統合，現在臺日關係友好，您可不可以以私人身分去日本？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T10:33:18.162000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:33:18.422000+08:00","text":"可以啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:33:18.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:33:19.163000+08:00","text":"可以嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:33:20.223000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:33:30.799000+08:00","text":"當然，你是政府重要的閣員，在日本也是相當於大臣，以國發會的定位，相對於日本是哪一個大臣？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T10:33:32.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:33:32.960000+08:00","text":"應該是經濟安保吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T10:33:33.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:33:34.021000+08:00","text":"以我的認知。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:33:34.981000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:33:44.427000+08:00","text":"小野田紀美是內閣府底下特命的經濟安保擔當大臣，經濟安保特命大臣還有金融特命大臣是屬於任務編組，有時候辦奧運之類的還會有奧運大臣。","quality":0.721},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:33:48.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:34:15.254000+08:00","text":"像現在負責美日關稅談判的就是經濟產業省的赤澤亮正大臣，而我剛剛說的小野田紀美是目前高市首相非常重要的左右手，所以高市首相任命他為內閣府經濟安保大臣。","quality":0.859},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:34:18.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:34:43.715000+08:00","text":"關於這個部分，我希望如果我們臺日關係那麼友好，國發會也可以試著突破，是不是跟他們內閣府裡面的經濟再生大臣，或者他們相關的這些主管，或者是經濟產業省（METI）有一些業務的交流？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:34:44.536000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:34:50.321000+08:00","text":"包括少子化的對策，包括運動產業怎麼去振興，他們都有很完整幕僚的規劃。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:34:52.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:35:10.633000+08:00","text":"所以我覺得臺日之間，在官方，特別是安全部門、經濟部門的庶務階層或者規劃階層官員的協調是很重要的，主委，你願不願意去規劃？","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T10:35:10.933000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:35:23.421000+08:00","text":"有，目前正在規劃要怎麼樣來進行加深，針對日本的一些經濟政策，尤其是經濟安保這一塊，以及其他一些譬如像委員講的運動產業的發展……","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:35:23.581000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:35:27.024000+08:00","text":"不是，不是只派一個經濟組的同仁蒐集資料，我是說你要組個團去。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T10:35:28.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:35:28.505000+08:00","text":"對，會，有。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:35:28.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:35:33.648000+08:00","text":"要去拜訪他們，包括小野田紀美大臣，包括赤澤亮正大臣。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T10:35:33.668000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:35:33.668000+08:00","text":"會規劃。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:35:35.329000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:35:52.303000+08:00","text":"可以提出這個需求，我想以現在高市首相對臺灣的友好，你看行政院54年第一次去到日本，同樣的，我覺得有很多過去做不到的，我們趁著臺日關係最友好的時候能夠去突破。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T10:35:52.303000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T10:35:53.324000+08:00","text":"對，一定的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:35:53.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:35:56.967000+08:00","text":"也許你可以帶團，帶經濟部、帶運動部去……","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T10:35:57.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:35:58.088000+08:00","text":"有，有在規劃。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:35:58.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:36:02.672000+08:00","text":"跟他們討論各項政策，例如少子化之類的都可以跟他們請教。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T10:36:04.279000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:36:04.539000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:36:05.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:36:26.929000+08:00","text":"另外，大巨蛋……不要說大巨蛋，我認為AI時代應該是大智蛋Smart Dome，而不是很傳統的蓋一個大型室內的場館，我們不要重複資源浪費，要選擇一個最有利的場址，不要每個縣市都去設，要去協調。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:36:26.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:36:48.393000+08:00","text":"例如說北、中、南都有一個大型的室內表演或者比賽場館，也許因地制宜，臺北市大巨蛋有四萬，可能南部就不需要那麼多，南部可能就是兩萬，然後你要有捷運通過，你要有產業的配合。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:36:48.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:37:02.632000+08:00","text":"比方說我的選區就是岡山、橋頭，是螺絲扣件的重鎮，也有鋼鐵、也有捷運，高速公路也方便，離機場也近，而且還有三級棒球的訓練基地。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:37:04.013000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:37:38.752000+08:00","text":"我希望未來可以結合其他國家經驗，有好的交通環境，有相關的後勤補給的安排，設一個不要那麼大的場館，叫做Smart Dome，把AI導入，用最經濟生產的成本，比方鋼鐵扣件，這些是我們在地的原料，人才也多，土地又是台糖的，所以這部分國發會應該要去協調，而不是由各縣市自己去爭奪。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:37:38.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:38:05.117000+08:00","text":"如果你蛋生得不好，那後面的維管問題很嚴重；蛋生得好，會帶動運動產業的發展，我認為未來大型運動場館、室內運動場館的開發建設要比照捷運，中央要支持、要審查，通過之後給地方政府一些建議，加上財源的補助。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:38:07.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:38:07.567000+08:00","text":"主委，您覺得呢？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T10:38:08.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:38:19.089000+08:00","text":"就這個部分來講，我們會從國發會本身開始做，因為我也在思考，像我們中興新村裡面有很多運動場館，當然運動場館不見得是棒球……","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:38:19.489000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:38:21.830000+08:00","text":"我沒有跟你提到中興新村，我是提到南部的那一塊。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T10:38:21.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:38:27.411000+08:00","text":"我知道，但是對於整個運動產業的規劃來講，我們會先從我們自己有的開始……","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-03-16T10:38:27.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:38:33.212000+08:00","text":"主委，我是召委，我要以身作則，因為時間到了，其他的問題我日後再跟你請教，謝謝。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T10:38:33.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:38:33.732000+08:00","text":"好，沒問題，謝謝委員。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-16T10:38:34.232000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T10:38:36.517714+08:00","text":"謝謝召委，謝謝主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-16T10:38:36.817714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T10:38:41.103429+08:00","text":"現在我們依照前面的宣告，休息7分鐘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-16T10:38:41.403429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T10:38:42.546286+08:00","text":"休息（10時38分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-16T10:38:42.846286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T10:38:44.560571+08:00","text":"繼續開會（10時45分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（邱委員志偉）","start":"2026-03-16T10:38:44.860571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T10:38:49.146286+08:00","text":"列席的官員請回座，好，現在繼續開會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（邱委員志偉）","start":"2026-03-16T10:38:49.446286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T10:38:54.303429+08:00","text":"我們繼續質詢，下一位質詢請鄭天財委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}