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院裡面通過一個法令如果重大支出可能要協商一下在那個預算法裡面是要協商一下行政單位那我們"},{"start":407.674,"end":435.041,"text":"審計部的立場因為這個法案已經公布了我們會在審查年度結算的時候來評估看看這一個部分會給行政院或是相關單位一些建議好我們知道審計部在結算不過他要等到大概一年之後嘛對不對好再看好那我們繼續往下看這個地方就是這個藐視國會的這個行政院的部分的確要把它改進那我們繼續往下看下一個問題"},{"start":436.874,"end":438.817,"text":"主計數您在二月份的時候呢公告了實質薪資這個月薪資到達4.8萬這樣的一個消息但是呢我們看到這個標題是非常的亮眼喔那月薪又突破多少是看起來蠻好的"},{"start":452.617,"end":480.656,"text":"但是這樣二十六年最大的漲幅其實有七成多的受僱員工他們的薪資根本就領不到平均數所以當你在公布這部分的資料的時候其實這七成員工他們心在糖血他們認為說他們是被成長的一群那你有沒有看到這個平均薪資跟經常薪資的差距有在縮小可能沒有喔或是請主席講你有沒有預警到在行政院院會當中我覺得預警到這個低薪跟中產階級貧窮化的問題嗎"},{"start":482.977,"end":510.502,"text":"我們也有公布所謂的一個薪資的中位數那這個部分其實我們今年總薪資是成長3.9也高過我們的一個那個物價指數2.21所以這個本身我們包括經濟成長和薪資成長是都有在成長只是說它行業別也各有都不同那我們這些也都有公布按照行業別"},{"start":513.302,"end":535.768,"text":"主席講零公佈之後,那你們提出剛才我所說的這些有些行業別其實真的是七成以下,七成左右他們是在這個平均數字下的你們把這個意見跟行政院講,他們應該就針對部分,怎麼樣不是把像所謂AI的產業啊都是變成是最高的,然後就變成說在帶動,可是其他人在哀嚎啊,有把這個意見反映出去嗎?"},{"start":536.408,"end":558.885,"text":"是所以我們整個一個基本的薪資他也不斷在調整也就是為了讓這種的一個差距縮小所以我們薪資調整你還是沒有說到方法啊我們基本工資也做調整然後也鼓勵各鼓勵獲利的一個公司能夠盡量把盈餘做分配給同仁做為薪資所以這個部分有"},{"start":559.966,"end":578.432,"text":"更像的一個優惠基本工資只有三萬塊錢而已三萬塊錢而已但是現在平均數你說達到四萬多根本就是沒辦法達到這差距實在很大主席你們這邊是不是能夠給報告說把你們當初給行政院的部分給本期一個報告是是是我們再補充"},{"start":579.953,"end":584.137,"text":"補充資料給委員一個禮拜之內那我們繼續再看看其實我們更擔心的是這一個所增加的幅度其實是因為加班而造成的剛才說電子業的加班時數它其實高達說13.8%那製造業有高達10%"},{"start":596.269,"end":601.871,"text":"那整個情況之下呢就會造成說其實他是因為他平均的薪資不足他才又透過加班的薪資加班的方式而且剛剛您說的喔他所增長的這樣的一個薪資喔事實上的漲幅跟他們加班的這個時數的漲幅呢是不成比例啦13.88成長可能才4%"},{"start":616.596,"end":636.338,"text":"跟委員報告其實他加班是因為AI的景氣那帶動那個所謂的一個製造業也跟著好所以是因為景氣好而增加的一個加班他並不是說因為薪資低的加班所以你整個的業情況就是我們的發展通通集中在"},{"start":637.179,"end":641.021,"text":"AI跟相關產業嘛 高科技的產業這部分其他的 我們的零售業 我們傳統的部分都是受害者啊這部分傳產也有增加 只是它增加的弧度沒有AI的那麼大那沒關係 你如果這樣講也沒問題但是你知道嗎"},{"start":653.169,"end":676.463,"text":"平均以加班加工那個電子業的時候呢他們平均呢一個月要增加27個小時等於說他平均呢他一收是工作6天當然這種6天的情況他怎麼可能去生小孩他怎麼可能去有時間去照顧小孩所以這個地方呢行政院是罪魁禍首啊這部分讓如果新資的這部分能夠合理的去平均的話這才是對我們最大的幫助啊"},{"start":678.484,"end":694.881,"text":"那這個主席再等我大概一分鐘結束就好了我想那個蘇檳委員是不是請那個主計長他把你要的資料書面答覆給你好不好那我再提出一個問題就好就是把問題提出來那你才可以給我資料好不好就是這樣講出話就好了"},{"start":695.922,"end":712.159,"text":"就是呢 我們剛才看到的是 現在已經在那個美伊戰爭嘛那這邊呢 看到的是 原油是非常重要的那這個CPI的預測會多少 如果戰爭長達半年或一年有沒有相關配套措施 有沒有跟其他部位事情這部分 那是不是就請主計長你這邊 之後在大概一個禮拜之內給報告"},{"start":715.202,"end":735.07,"text":"是 我們大概3、4月的油價都已經有調整好那5月以後也目前在努力當中那我們行政院有一個物價穩定小組包括中油 包括台電都會互相來做一個整個一個做調節的作用 益智雙張好 給報告就好了 謝謝主席長 謝謝沈議長好 謝謝蘇冰委員接著我們請顏寬恆委員質詢"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:28:38.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:28:38.771000+08:00","text":"主席好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:28:38.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:28:39.351000+08:00","text":"有請主計長和審計長上臺，謝謝。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-16T10:28:39.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:28:40.312000+08:00","text":"請陳主計長跟陳審計長。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-03-16T10:28:40.312000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:28:40.493000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳審計長瑞敏","start":"2026-03-16T10:28:40.493000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T10:28:59.443000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:28:59.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:29:00.843000+08:00","text":"主計長好、審計長好。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:29:01.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:29:39.756000+08:00","text":"我們來了解去年立法院修法提高軍人待遇跟警消退休所得替代率，但是行政院卻沒有編預算，這超過20萬警消能夠受益，這個法是在去年4月27號生效，是一件好事，但是我們看到行政院沒有編列這個預算，最重要的是沒有編列新舊制差額，差額當中如果以警正二階來看的話，114年一個月的差額就達到5,000元，每新增一年這個差距就更大了。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:29:40.737000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:30:03.469000+08:00","text":"主計長，我們當然就要詢問到底是哪個部會沒有提出來，國防部、內政部或者是銓敘部等沒有提出概算跟預算的需求，還是他們提了，但是你們把他們刻意忽略掉了？","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:30:05.131000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:30:08.893000+08:00","text":"還是府院有高層下令跟你們講不要去編列？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:30:10.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:30:12.976000+08:00","text":"請主計長清楚地在這個地方跟國人說明。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-03-16T10:30:14.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:30:24.658000+08:00","text":"事實上按照道理，如果要提出一個支出需求，應該要先尋求行政院同意，籌妥財源。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-03-16T10:30:26.559000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:30:41.342000+08:00","text":"第二個，軍人加薪的部分破壞整個公務人員薪給制度，造成公務人員薪階的不平衡，所以這整個制度的破壞對於後面的影響很大。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-03-16T10:30:41.342000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T10:30:43.062000+08:00","text":"第三個……","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:30:43.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:30:54.376000+08:00","text":"主計長，您的意思是說，行政院因為前述的原因，所以就下令銓敘部等部會，不准他們提出概算需求嗎？","quality":0.805},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-03-16T10:30:54.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:31:05.148000+08:00","text":"不是，我再說明一下，因為這會變成整個退休制度的改變，對將來退休薪給帳戶的影響非常大，這個部分我們有提釋憲，所以我們還是等釋憲結果。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:31:05.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:31:05.529000+08:00","text":"可是釋憲結果，這就是你們大的問題了……是。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:31:17.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:31:35.218000+08:00","text":"行政院是行政機關，釋憲結果還沒有出現的時候，那是司法機關的責任，在這個地方，你們自己把它當作在釋憲，也沒有做出暫時處分，你們對這個部分就不處理，就是不編列，這地方的確是違法失職不是嗎？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-03-16T10:31:35.218000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T10:31:36.218000+08:00","text":"第一個，部會沒有提出需求……對嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:31:36.218000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T10:31:37.218000+08:00","text":"沒提出需求沒錯……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-03-16T10:31:37.218000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T10:31:38.218000+08:00","text":"第二個，經提報院長和總統的時候，指示暫緩編列，等釋憲結果再行編列，所以這個部分，我們是等釋憲結果，該補的補，我們就來補。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:31:36.579000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:31:40.422000+08:00","text":"再次說清楚，行政院已經僭越了自己的職責，它的職責僭越了司法院的職責，這個地方僭越了，它才是真正在違憲呢！","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:32:06.079000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:32:23.611000+08:00","text":"因為行政院只能做行政院的部分，它依法行政，就是立法院通過的，它提出釋憲解釋，沒有暫時處分就是不應該，你們就是應該依法行政，你們自己違法、違憲了，你們還在講大話等釋憲的處分，這是不合宜的！","quality":0.819},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:32:26.653000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:32:37.960000+08:00","text":"你剛才已經講是行政院部會沒有提出來，但這地方是因為總統也下令要等司法院憲法法庭的違憲判決，所以這個結果就是這樣的情況。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:32:38.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:33:15.903000+08:00","text":"這邊我再跟大家講，我們現在已經知道，目前115年，也有相關警消要退休，民眾黨也幫警消人員去做集體訴訟，我們現在看今年馬上遇到的問題是，如果5、6月份在編下一年度的預算，有關警消人員退撫基金政府應該撥補的部分，請問主計長，今年5、6月份如果結果還沒有出來，你們怎麼辦？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:33:15.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:33:15.923000+08:00","text":"你們會編嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-03-16T10:33:15.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:33:16.163000+08:00","text":"我們還是會視釋憲結果編列。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:33:23.131000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:33:23.472000+08:00","text":"好，你們違法、違憲的方式就繼續呈現。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:33:23.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:33:57.439000+08:00","text":"根據我們上次問到銓敘部施能傑部長，他也已經說了，以警正二階來講，每個月欠該退休人員五千多元，他已經有了審定書，這退休審定書就已經可以去訴訟，到時候行政訴訟，行政院如果被打臉，如果判決是政府應該要被強制執行去撥補這些錢的話，那就真的是對行政院最大的打臉了。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:33:58.220000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:34:12.826000+08:00","text":"我是提醒你們應該要知道，行政院不能夠違憲、僭越權力分立原則，跨到司法院的司法權，這才是你們該做的，趕快去編入，已經有紀錄出來了，這部分已經訴訟了，如果有結果出來，你們就是會被打臉。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:34:13.186000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:34:45.663000+08:00","text":"我們繼續往下看，我想要問審計長，針對剛才所說的，行政院部會或是銓敘部，在立法院三讀通過、公布法律之後，它不編列政府法定應撥補至退撫基金預算的行為，審計部有沒有權力要求行政機關去改善？","quality":0.843},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:34:46.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:34:47.183000+08:00","text":"如果有的話方法是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳審計長瑞敏","start":"2026-03-16T10:34:47.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:35:06.203000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員關心這個問題，預算的編製權在行政院，預算的審議權在立法院，我們審計部是決算的審定。","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"陳審計長瑞敏","start":"2026-03-16T10:35:11.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:35:38.898000+08:00","text":"院裡面通過一個法令，如果是重大支出，可能要協商一下，在預算法裡面說要協商一下行政單位，我們審計部的立場，因為這個法案已經公布了，我們會在審查年度決算的時候評估看看，這一個部分會給行政院或相關單位一些建議。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:35:38.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:35:44.799000+08:00","text":"好，我們知道審計部要等到決算，不過還要等到一年之後再看。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:35:48.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:35:50.921000+08:00","text":"行政院藐視國會的部分，的確要把它改進。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:35:51.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:35:52.041000+08:00","text":"我們繼續看下一個問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:35:53.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:36:24.707000+08:00","text":"主計處在2月份的時候公告實質月薪資到達4.8萬的消息，我們看到這個標題非常亮眼，月薪又突破多少，看起來滿好的，但是這樣最大的漲幅，其實有七成多的受僱員工，他們的薪資根本就領不到平均數，所以當你公布這些資料的時候，其實這七成員工他們心在淌血，他們會說他們是「被成長」的一群。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:36:25.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:36:29.390000+08:00","text":"你有沒有看到平均薪資跟經常薪資的差距有在縮小？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:36:30.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:36:30.451000+08:00","text":"可能沒有哦！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:36:32.632000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:36:37.656000+08:00","text":"主計長，你在行政院院會當中，有去預警低薪跟中產階級貧窮化的問題嗎？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-03-16T10:36:39.977000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:37:07.482000+08:00","text":"我們也有公布所謂的薪資中位數，其實我們今年總薪資是成長3.9，也高過物價指數2.21，所以包括經濟和薪資都有在成長，只是說行業別也都各有不同，我們這些也都有公布，按照行業別……","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:37:10.302000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:37:23.486000+08:00","text":"主計長，您公布之後，有沒有提出剛才我所說的，有些行業別其實真的七成左右是在平均數之下的，你有沒有跟行政院講這個意見？","quality":0.717},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:37:23.486000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:37:31.408000+08:00","text":"他們應該要針對這部分處理，而不是把所謂AI產業都變成是最高的，變成說帶動，可是其他人都哀號啊！","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:37:31.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:37:32.768000+08:00","text":"有把這個意見反映出去嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-03-16T10:37:35.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:37:42.875000+08:00","text":"基本薪資也不斷在調整，也就是為了要讓這種差距縮小，所以我們有……","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:37:42.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:37:44.817000+08:00","text":"薪資調整你還是沒有說到方法啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-03-16T10:37:45.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:37:58.026000+08:00","text":"有、有、有，我們基本工資也調整，然後鼓勵各獲利的公司，能夠儘量把盈餘分配給同仁作為薪資，所以這個部分有各項的優惠……","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:37:58.146000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:38:01.627000+08:00","text":"基本工資只有3萬塊錢而已，3萬塊錢而已！","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:38:01.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:38:06.289000+08:00","text":"但是現在你說平均數達到四萬多，根本就沒辦法達到，這差距實在很大啦！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:38:07.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:38:13.151000+08:00","text":"主計處，你們是不是能夠給一個報告，把你們當初給行政院的報告也給本席一份？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-03-16T10:38:13.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:38:14.311000+08:00","text":"是、是、是。多久？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-03-16T10:38:14.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:38:17.834000+08:00","text":"我們再補充資料給委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:38:17.834000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:38:18.194000+08:00","text":"一個禮拜之內？是、是。好。謝謝。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:38:18.274000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:38:20.656000+08:00","text":"我們繼續再看，我們更擔心的是，這一個增加的幅度其實是因為加班而造成的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:38:20.676000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:38:38.871000+08:00","text":"剛才說電子業加班時數高達13.8%，製造業高達10%，整個情況就會變成其實是因為他平均薪資不足，才透過加班的方式，而且剛才您說的，他增長的薪資漲幅跟加班時數漲幅是不成比例的，13.8%成長可能才4%，這樣的情況……","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-03-16T10:38:53.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:39:09.093000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實他加班是因為AI景氣帶動製造業也跟著好，所以是因為景氣好而增加加班，並不是因為薪資低的加班。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:39:09.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:39:15.840000+08:00","text":"所以整個情況，我們的發展通通集中在AI跟相關產業，高科技產業這部分，其他零售業，傳統的部分都是受害者……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-03-16T10:39:16.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:39:17.261000+08:00","text":"我們傳產也有增加，只是增加的幅度沒有AI那麼高而已。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:39:17.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:39:18.021000+08:00","text":"沒關係，你如果這樣講也沒有問題，但是你知道嗎？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:39:30.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:39:43.997000+08:00","text":"以電子業來說，他們平均一個月要增加27個小時，等於他平均一週工作6天，當然這種6天的情況，他怎麼可能去生小孩？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:39:44.478000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:39:46.539000+08:00","text":"他怎麼可能有時間去照顧小孩？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:39:47.039000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:39:48.880000+08:00","text":"所以行政院是罪魁禍首。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:39:50.461000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:39:53.423000+08:00","text":"如果薪資能夠合理平均，這才是對我們最大的幫助！","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:39:56.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:39:58.267000+08:00","text":"主席再等我大概1分鐘就結束。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"主席（賴委員惠員代）","start":"2026-03-16T10:40:00.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:40:07.597000+08:00","text":"書彬委員，是不是請主計長把你要的資料，書面答復給你，好不好？","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:40:08.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:40:11.340000+08:00","text":"我再提出一個問題就好，就是把問題提出來，你才可以給我資料，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:40:13.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:40:16.846000+08:00","text":"我們剛才看到現在已經是美伊戰爭嘛！","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:40:17.647000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:40:21.571000+08:00","text":"也看到了原油是非常重要的，那CPI的預測會多少？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:40:21.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:40:24.474000+08:00","text":"如果戰爭長達半年或一年，有沒有相關的配套措施？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:40:24.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:40:25.575000+08:00","text":"有沒有跟其他部會示警？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:40:26.857000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:40:29.139000+08:00","text":"這部分是不是請主計長這邊，大概一個禮拜之內給報告？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-03-16T10:40:32.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:40:49.589000+08:00","text":"是，3、4月的油價我們大概都已經調整好，那5月以後目前也在努力當中，行政院有一個物價穩定小組，包括中油、台電，都會互相來做整個調節的作用，以抑制雙漲。","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-16T10:40:49.589000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T10:40:50.589000+08:00","text":"主計長，你提供書面資料，好不好？","quality":0.077},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-16T10:40:49.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:40:50.830000+08:00","text":"給報告就好了，謝謝主計長、謝謝審計長。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-03-16T10:40:50.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:40:51.330000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-16T10:40:51.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:40:51.590000+08:00","text":"謝謝書彬委員。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-16T10:40:51.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T10:40:52.070000+08:00","text":"接著請顏寬恒委員質詢。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-16T10:40:52.570000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T10:40:56.855714+08:00","text":"顏委員質詢完了以後，我們休息10分鐘。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}