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因為我們的半導體還是長亡但是會不會對於其他的就是中小企業就是傳產這一塊喔或者是會有就是更不利的影響傳產這一塊的話就去年大概12月簽訂時候的話其實傳產對於15"},{"start":186.632,"end":213.333,"text":"15不疊掉這部分的話其實他們是相當的支持啦也就是說我們相對對於一些其他的一些競爭國譬如說像日本韓國的話我們其實跟他站在同一個起跑點雖然說我們長期以來跟其他國家簽NFT其實那個加速非常的少跟韓國沒有辦法比但整個產業在調整的過程當中的話只要說相對的優勢沒有差很多的話其實國內的廠商其實那個調適能力是非常強的"},{"start":216.415,"end":240.449,"text":"就食物不叠加的話其實是一直以來他們希望能夠達成的一個方向我只是想到那個台積電都可以去美國鳳凰城這樣子那麼嚴峻的那個地方那其實我們彰化也是你知道嗎我們彰化其實即便有一些地方是那個條件不是那麼好其實台積電也可以來投資嘛對不對"},{"start":241.109,"end":269.204,"text":"台積電有在台中但是不是要去彰化這個就看台積電了嗎看國發會主委有沒有大力的那個支持是不是跟台積電聊聊可以但還是企業自主尤其現在國發會你們是單一的窗口在就是我們那個保險業要投入公共建設那你們在就是說認定什麼樣子的基礎建設適用於這樣子的"},{"start":270.905,"end":296.852,"text":"你們是單一窗口嗎?對,我們會負責就是說廠商跟我們申請那有關他會歸屬在哪一類以及適用哪一個法規我們會跟相關的主管、機關去討論我們不會只是收件、送件,不會不會我們會進一步去討論我剛才看到了你的業務報告裡面你就涉及了非常多的公共建設以及相關的就是說基礎的建設嘛,對不對?"},{"start":298.772,"end":308.078,"text":"我想要請問你,到底台灣裡面有多少的這樣子的公共建設以及基礎建設是適用於保險業可以來投資的物流,我們現在新增訂的是物流跟AI算的對,我是說有多少,就是說規模"},{"start":320.18,"end":347.802,"text":"規模對你們有沒有統計規模過去幾年來你這樣子規劃過去幾年來到底有沒有保險業投資國內公共建設以及基礎建設重要的亮點計畫那這也要變成說未來怎麼樣引導保險業資金投入國內的基礎建設以及公共建設那這因為又涉及到所有的"},{"start":348.522,"end":371.301,"text":"保護的權益的問題以及就是說在風險的係數上面那怎麼樣子設定那當然保險業希望說風險係數較低以及有致償率的這樣子的項目比較符合保險業來投入國內的基礎產業以及公共建設等這樣子的一個誘因嘛是不是"},{"start":371.781,"end":380.361,"text":"那我們也希望導入這些資金來到於我們國內的公共建設以及基礎建設的投資那這個部分你們怎麼規劃"},{"start":381.621,"end":405.327,"text":"我們目前會跟財政部商量就是說他那個整個基礎建設以及公共建設這個範疇可不可以再大一點然後讓一些譬如說像數位基礎建設有興趣做數位基礎建設的這一些廠商也能夠適用這些租稅的優惠這樣子那譬如說數位的數據中心對像譬如說像比較"},{"start":407.515,"end":428.546,"text":"對 像算力中心的話已經公佈 還有另外一個就是剛剛通過就是物流就物流業嘛 對對對 就是基礎建設這一塊所以就是未來物流以及算力中心 還有就是下水道或者是污水處理這一塊 再生水廠 會嗎"},{"start":430.351,"end":455.951,"text":"這個我們再跟那個財政部那邊商量我們目前對也會嘗試的往這個部分去做規劃所以基本上只要是跟五大信賴產業還有AI新十大建設有關的一些產業然後只要他的現金流是一個穩定的話其實我們都可以考慮跟財政部來商量那未來有什麼亮點嗎"},{"start":457.11,"end":481.333,"text":"未來的亮點的話 基本上就是說開放民間去設置我說已經過去就是這個計畫裡面有沒有亮點可以提供大家知道說怎麼樣子讓保險業能夠就是這些資金能夠導入我們就是不管是地方建設也好就是這些基礎的建設目前我們我們嘗試的在讓現在規模都不夠大對不對"},{"start":482.094,"end":510.012,"text":"我們現在目前有談一個大概500億的啦是不是規模都不夠大廠商沒有辦法不方便透露啦就是說有一個大概有500億我覺得這個部分必須要再更加更多具體的案例以及怎麼樣子就是說引導這些保險業的資金能夠就是說投資國內的公共建設那這樣子對於不管是公部門也好 私部門也好那這樣子我們"},{"start":510.672,"end":513.336,"text":"台灣的經濟發展才有更好的成長"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:04:20.824000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:04:21.124000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我請國發會葉主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-16T11:04:21.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:04:21.264000+08:00","text":"請國發會葉主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:04:21.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:04:21.344000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:04:21.344000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:04:21.545000+08:00","text":"葉主委早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:04:21.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:04:24.527000+08:00","text":"我想請問，在這一次美國對等關稅的不確定影響之下，你認為為什麼今年你們的評估又是逆勢上漲，是因為又有搶單的效應嗎？","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:04:46.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:04:58.783000+08:00","text":"第一個最主要的，就有如我剛剛在業務報告上面說的，就是全球那幾大CSP廠的資本支出又再增加，原本預估只有六千多……","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:04:58.863000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:05:02.727000+08:00","text":"那是不是因為在10%跟15%不確定的因素之下的搶單效應嗎？會嗎？","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:05:04.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:05:07.272000+08:00","text":"沒有，很大一部分是因為CSP廠商的資本支出更大規模……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:05:07.292000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:05:07.493000+08:00","text":"是因為……出口。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:05:07.493000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:05:08.493000+08:00","text":"是因為這些雲端的供應商的出口，對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:05:07.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:05:09.576000+08:00","text":"是，雲端供應商，對，資本支出增加。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:05:09.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:05:40.050000+08:00","text":"但是我想要請問的，過去國發會希望國內的供應商都可以轉移出口的基地，希望到歐洲、到日本等等，可是今年歐洲、日本都因為對等關稅而造成他們的經濟的上行沒有力，那這樣子會不會影響你們的布局？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:05:41.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:05:47.572000+08:00","text":"這個部分來講的話，目前整個廠商的布局比較像是往美國那邊布局，因為整個……","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:05:48.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:05:49.193000+08:00","text":"現在都還是往美國嘛？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:05:49.614000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:05:52.315000+08:00","text":"對，整個AI供應鏈的一些關係，還有伺服器……","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:05:52.315000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:05:54.136000+08:00","text":"所以也沒有往其他地方？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:05:54.456000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:05:58.579000+08:00","text":"也有啦，只是說那一個部分跟美國來比的話，相對的比較沒有那麼多。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:05:59.479000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:06:06.163000+08:00","text":"所以就是在變動的調整之下，我們還是往美國布局，而沒有往全球其他的地方布局？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:06:06.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:06:08.985000+08:00","text":"也是有啦，只是說美國的比重比較大啦。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:06:09.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:06:14.849000+08:00","text":"那如果未來301條款實施後，會不會對我們造成嚴重的影響？","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:06:14.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:06:20.133000+08:00","text":"就目前來看的話，301條款關注的兩個議題，一個就是生產過剩，另外就是強迫勞動。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:06:20.133000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:06:58.634000+08:00","text":"強迫勞動這部分對我們來講的話，目前看起來相對的衝擊會比較沒那麼大啦；那生產過剩這個部分來講的話，可能對於我們貿易順差過多的這個部分他們會有一些想法，可是貿易順差過多這個部分，其實已經在ART談判的時候有討論過了，所以那個時候跟美國簽那一個15%不疊加的協議可能也是因為這部分的原因，所以整個貿易逆差過剩的部分，也就是我們對美國貿易順差過多的這個部分，其實在簽訂ART的時候已經有談到。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:07:00.855000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:07:12.506000+08:00","text":"因為我們的半導體出口還是暢旺，但是會不會對於其他的中小企業，就是傳產這一塊，會有更不利的影響？","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:07:12.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:07:23.916000+08:00","text":"傳產這一塊的話，在去年大概12月簽訂時候，對於15%不疊加這個部分其實他們是相當的支持啦。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:07:24.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:07:31.802000+08:00","text":"也就是我們相對於一些其他的競爭國，比如說像日本、韓國的話，我們其實是跟他們站在同一個起跑點。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:07:31.802000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:07:46.313000+08:00","text":"雖然說我們長期以來跟其他國家簽FTA的數量非常的少，跟韓國沒有辦法比，但整個產業在調整的過程當中，只要相對的優勢沒有差很多，其實國內廠商的調適能力是非常強的。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:07:49.415000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:07:54.538000+08:00","text":"就15%不疊加的話，其實是一直以來他們希望能夠達成的一個方向。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:07:56.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:08:13.449000+08:00","text":"我只是想到，台積電都可以去美國鳳凰城那麼嚴峻的地方設廠，其實我們彰化也是……你知道嘛，我們彰化即便有一些地方的條件不是那麼好，其實台積電也可以來投資嘛，對不對？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:08:14.489000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:08:18.091000+08:00","text":"台積電有在臺中投資啦，但是不是要去彰化，這個就看台積電……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:08:18.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:08:21.213000+08:00","text":"那要看國發會主委有沒有大力的支持啊！","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:08:21.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:08:21.993000+08:00","text":"是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:08:23.774000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:08:26.296000+08:00","text":"跟台積電聊聊可以啊，但還是要尊重企業的自主啦。對啊！","quality":0.609},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:08:26.436000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:08:44.765000+08:00","text":"尤其現在國發會你們是單一的窗口，就是我們的保險業要投入公共建設，是由你們在認定什麼樣子的基礎建設適用於這樣子的，你們是單一窗口嘛，是不是？","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:08:45.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:08:57.048000+08:00","text":"對，我們會負責就是廠商跟我們申請，那有關它會歸屬在哪一類以及適用哪一個法規，我們會跟相關的主管機關去討論……","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:08:57.048000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:08:58.048000+08:00","text":"主管單位去討論。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:08:57.048000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:08:59.189000+08:00","text":"對，我們不會只是收件、送件，不會！","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:08:59.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:09:01.669000+08:00","text":"我們會進一步去討論。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:09:01.669000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:09:09.852000+08:00","text":"我知道，因為我剛才看到你的業務報告裡面，就涉及了非常多的公共建設以及相關的基礎建設嘛，對不對？對，是。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:09:11.772000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:09:17.836000+08:00","text":"那我想要請問你，到底臺灣裡面有多少這樣的公共建設以及基礎建設，是適用於保險業可以來投資的？","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:09:17.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:09:19.677000+08:00","text":"物流，我們現在新增訂的是物流跟AI算力……","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:09:19.857000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:09:33.180000+08:00","text":"對，我是說有多少規模？規模？","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:09:33.941000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:09:35.202000+08:00","text":"對，你們有沒有統計規模？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:09:35.202000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:09:36.963000+08:00","text":"規模這一部分，我們再去盤一下好了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:09:36.963000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:09:48.612000+08:00","text":"那過去幾年來，你這樣子的規劃，過去幾年來到底有沒有保險業投資國內公共建設以及基礎建設重要的亮點計畫？有。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:09:48.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:10:24.281000+08:00","text":"那這也要變成說未來怎麼樣引導保險業資金投入國內的基礎建設以及公共建設，這又涉及到所有保戶的權益問題以及風險係數上怎麼樣去設定，當然保險業希望風險係數較低，以及有自償率這樣的項目，比較符合保險業投入國內基礎產業以及公共建設等的誘因，是不是？是。","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:10:24.781000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:10:33.361000+08:00","text":"那我們也希望導入這些資金來到於我們國內的公共建設以及基礎建設的投資，這個部分你們怎麼規劃？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:10:34.621000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:10:53.225000+08:00","text":"我們目前會跟財政部商量那整個基礎建設以及公共建設的範疇可不可以再大一點，然後讓有興趣做數位基礎建設的這一些廠商也能夠適用這些租稅的優惠。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:10:55.086000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:10:56.606000+08:00","text":"你是說數位的數據中心？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:10:57.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:11:11.881000+08:00","text":"對，比如說像算力中心，這個已經公布了，還有另外一個剛剛通過的就是物流、物流業，就是基礎建設這一塊。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:11:11.881000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:11:14.783000+08:00","text":"所以就是未來物流以及算力中心等等……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:11:14.783000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:11:18.105000+08:00","text":"還會更多。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:11:18.105000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:11:21.546000+08:00","text":"那下水道或者是污水處理這一塊、再生水廠會嗎？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:11:23.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:11:47.610000+08:00","text":"這個我們再跟財政部那邊商量，我們目前也會嘗試往這個部分去做規劃，基本上只要是跟五大信賴產業還有AI新十大建設有關的一些產業，只要它的現金流是穩定的話，其實我們都可以考慮跟財政部來商量。","quality":0.989},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:11:48.191000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:11:48.951000+08:00","text":"那未來有什麼亮點嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:11:50.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:11:53.754000+08:00","text":"未來的亮點基本上就是開放民間去設置所謂的……","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:11:54.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:12:09.449000+08:00","text":"我是說過去這些計畫裡面有沒有亮點可以提供大家知道說，怎麼樣讓保險業這些資金能夠導入我們不管是地方建設也好，這些基礎的建設也好？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:12:09.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:12:13.272000+08:00","text":"目前我們嘗試的在讓大的一些……","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:12:13.272000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:12:14.333000+08:00","text":"現在規模都不夠大，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:12:15.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:12:17.115000+08:00","text":"我們目前有談一個大概500億的，但廠商……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:12:18.436000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:12:19.617000+08:00","text":"是不是規模都不夠大？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:12:20.297000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:12:25.641000+08:00","text":"沒有辦法、不方便透露廠商，就是說有一個大概有500億的……","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:12:25.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:12:38.169000+08:00","text":"我覺得這個部分必須有更多具體的案例，以及怎麼樣子引導這些保險業的資金能夠投資國內的公共建設。會。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-16T11:12:38.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:12:46.336000+08:00","text":"這樣子對於不管是公部門也好、私部門也好，我們臺灣的經濟發展才會有更好的成長。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:12:46.836000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:12:49.121714+08:00","text":"好，沒問題，謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-16T11:12:49.421714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:12:53.421714+08:00","text":"謝謝謝衣鳯委員，葉主委先請回座。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-16T11:12:53.721714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:12:58.293143+08:00","text":"下一位委員我們請陳超明委員，時間6加2。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}