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這個部分我們會再朝這個方向一個計畫要強化我們市區道路的重要更貼近人民所以我的重點是內政部要主動提出你這個模型然後你在討論的時候當然交通部他們也有一些經費也是會到地方但是內政部不能行政帶多你要主動提出"},{"start":395.055,"end":420.815,"text":"交通部在分配預算的時候我們會把一些相關的需求整合進去把一個整體性的規劃在那一個區域裡面一起來做改善那本席提的你們是不是也可以內政部自己要提出這個需求的模型好我們自己本身也會依照我們會提好那這到時候的情況是不是也可以有一個書面給我們我們再跟交通部協調以後再把一些資料給委員"},{"start":422.644,"end":439.252,"text":"好 謝謝最後 本席想就教部長我們過去很多年來等於我們知道台北是我們的首都所以首都的很多建設它也代表著我們的門面那現在新竹市"},{"start":441.033,"end":456.12,"text":"等於台灣科技的心臟那同時也創造了整個台灣經濟基金很重要的經濟命脈那所以新竹可以說是科技的首都所以在這個經費補助的運用上是不是可以有一些優先"},{"start":459.108,"end":484.893,"text":"報告委員我們都是依法行政經費的補助上面應該按照財政收支劃分法裡面的級別來做補助那如果是專案計畫譬如說剛委員提到今天如果是國科會不不你講的通俠性我都知道嘛我現在的意思就是說這一個思維大家比較忽略台灣經濟的命脈然後又是科技首都這個部分是不是可以來強化"},{"start":486.719,"end":503.136,"text":"我想您還是能夠提出它是哪一種專案那我們才能就這個回答否則我們要面對22個縣市的委員大家都說他們是什麼首都什麼首都那我回答的部分有回答跟沒回答是一樣的所以我特別講了嘛"},{"start":503.356,"end":527.135,"text":"台灣經濟的命脈大家講到科技講到半導體我想新竹大家是不會否認的所以科技首都這個部分我們不是說要專美於前不是而是在這一塊大家是不是可以也不是大家啦就我們中央這裡能夠特別強化這一塊可以思考一下啦好不好好謝謝好謝謝許信英委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:13:06.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:13:06.485000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:13:06.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:13:06.765000+08:00","text":"本席有請劉部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-03-16T11:13:06.765000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:13:07.765000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:13:07.765000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:13:08.765000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:13:06.925000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:13:07.746000+08:00","text":"部長，本席想就道路改善工程與交通執法問題跟您就教。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:13:07.846000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:13:09.167000+08:00","text":"首先，114年全國路口不停讓行人的違規案件有12.6萬。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:13:36.788000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:13:43.456000+08:00","text":"在業務報告中提到，114年1月到9月，以科技執法設備取締重大違規案件有119萬3,659件。","quality":0.742},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:13:48.447000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:14:04.313000+08:00","text":"我們絕對不是反對執法，但我想探討的是如果道路設計本身就沒有改好，卻讓人民一直看到更多照相機，而不是看到更多的安全！","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:14:04.313000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:14:05.323500+08:00","text":"在這種情況下，即便人民被開再多的罰單，交通也不會更順暢，民眾也很難安全。","quality":0.156},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:14:05.323500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:14:06.334000+08:00","text":"本席想請教部長，您認不認同工程改善必須優先於執法的擴張？","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-03-16T11:14:06.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:14:06.935000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我覺得兩者都需要……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:14:06.935000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:14:25.489000+08:00","text":"我猜你應該會這樣……","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-03-16T11:14:25.489000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:14:33.654000+08:00","text":"工程改善需要時間，但是當每天有車禍發生的時候，仍需要執法人員強力執法，所以兩者一定要並行！","quality":0.634},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:14:33.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:14:34.535000+08:00","text":"好，兩者並行。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:14:34.815000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:14:39.658000+08:00","text":"接著我們就來探討工程的速度，這總可以看吧？","quality":0.632},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:14:40.479000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:14:43.801000+08:00","text":"也就是工程補助的速度、時程在哪裡？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:14:43.801000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:14:45.382000+08:00","text":"這點部長……","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-03-16T11:14:45.382000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:14:47.083000+08:00","text":"我可不可以請署長跟您回應一下？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:14:47.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:14:49.705000+08:00","text":"署長簡單講，我時間有限。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-03-16T11:14:51.858000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:14:59.944000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們每年都有改善人行環境或交通路口的補助計畫，並輔導地方政府申請。","quality":0.639},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:15:03.209000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:15:27.243000+08:00","text":"如果行穿線沒有退縮，庇護島也沒有設，騎樓還是高低不平，轉角的視距死角也還在，如此，縱使有再多的科技執法，都會讓人民覺得政府把道路安全與設計責任直接丟給用路人！","quality":0.847},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:15:28.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:15:32.405000+08:00","text":"所以中央、內政部有沒有辦法於一週內盤點？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:15:35.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:15:47.111000+08:00","text":"以中央對地方政府來說，譬如我想請您盤點能夠補助新竹縣、加速地方規劃施工的項目清單？","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:15:47.111000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:15:47.591000+08:00","text":"一週，可以嗎？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-03-16T11:15:49.884000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:15:53.968000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，個案部分，我們會協調地方政府提出。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-03-16T11:15:54.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:15:59.694000+08:00","text":"由於這部分涉及交通部與地方交通局，且每個案子的狀況都不太一樣。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:15:59.834000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:16:01.876000+08:00","text":"好，沒關係，我接著講。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:16:01.876000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:16:07.041000+08:00","text":"有關校園安全問題，能不能從一所學校變成一張路網？","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:16:08.282000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:16:16.086000+08:00","text":"其實我們很感謝，因為國土署確實陸續有在補助、改善學校周邊的道路交通安全。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:16:19.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:16:31.154000+08:00","text":"不過以通學步道的改善來說，有時候就是那三十公尺、五十公尺，所以孩子離開學校走了三十公尺、五十公尺，接著又繼續進入行人地獄！","quality":0.655},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:16:31.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:16:33.356000+08:00","text":"這種情形中央有沒有想好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:16:33.876000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:16:38.520000+08:00","text":"能不能把校園安全擴大成上學的整條路都安全？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:16:40.801000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:16:43.864000+08:00","text":"否則感覺起來就是做半套，這部分看要怎麼來改善，好不好？","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-03-16T11:16:44.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:16:52.039000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實目前在推動所有計畫時，都有這樣去要求，但是因為涉及地方要去溝通、協調的事項非常多，我們……","quality":0.804},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:16:52.819000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:16:53.700000+08:00","text":"所以是地方的問題？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-03-16T11:16:53.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:16:58.263000+08:00","text":"因為這些都是第一線在處理，我們是督導，而且補助……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:16:59.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:17:03.286000+08:00","text":"會不會地方做的是整體規劃，可是報上來，你們就只給一點錢？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-03-16T11:17:03.286000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:17:06.208000+08:00","text":"沒有，我們會再去檢視實際上所要執行的內容。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:17:07.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:17:13.595000+08:00","text":"所以如果具有全盤性，你們也是會整體給？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-03-16T11:17:13.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:17:20.723000+08:00","text":"對，這些補助項目也涉及到相關的交通預算，因此，中央部會會以相關預算來補助。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:17:22.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:17:35.616000+08:00","text":"好，不過我還是要特別向中央反映，罰單只能改變一時的行為，改善工程才能改變民眾每天的命運。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:17:35.897000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:17:40.421000+08:00","text":"再來，本席請教部長有關公路法的修正。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:17:40.801000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:17:54.892000+08:00","text":"我們認同把汽車燃料使用費正名為公路使用養護安全管理費，且費用在公路主管機關統一徵收之後，由交通部會商內政部辦理。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:17:55.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:17:58.275000+08:00","text":"請問分配比例我們可以了解一下嗎？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:17:58.275000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:18:00.097000+08:00","text":"交通部跟內政部的分配比例？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-03-16T11:18:02.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:18:10.153000+08:00","text":"報告委員，因為法律還沒通過，法律通過以後分配的比例……現在我們的還沒修正……","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:18:10.153000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:18:12.265000+08:00","text":"你們的還沒？","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:18:12.265000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:18:14.377000+08:00","text":"所以分配比還不知道？","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-03-16T11:18:14.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:18:33.491000+08:00","text":"現在交通部還沒有告訴我們分配的比例是怎麼處理，但從事實上來考量，應該就是從公路本身要養護，怎麼讓公路更安全及保障用路人的安全來處理，而不是硬性規定五比五或七比三。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-03-16T11:18:34.371000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:18:46.615000+08:00","text":"所以行政院道安會報裡院長會做裁示，也根據各縣市政府的不同需求，以這樣的經費來處理與道路安全有關的事項，不管是軟體或硬體的改善都會放在這裡面。","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:18:50.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:18:55.520000+08:00","text":"未來你們一定會跟交通部協調，對不對？","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:18:55.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:19:04.347000+08:00","text":"所以本席想提出協調的時候，畢竟國土署也有一些道路改善項目，因此，是不是可以提出地方道路需求模型？","quality":0.705},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:19:05.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:19:13.214000+08:00","text":"我認為主動提出來才能跟他們共同協調，這邊也才可以有分配的比例。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-03-16T11:19:13.214000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:19:14.214000+08:00","text":"我請署長說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-16T11:19:13.995000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:19:1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