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問題要有料理"},{"start":326.034,"end":326.515,"text":"這部分還在評估啦要不要立特別法"},{"start":339.892,"end":343.295,"text":"我們這邊會建議用好強烈的反對無常的使用外匯這個請你記清楚謝謝委員主委先回座"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:32:42.676000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:32:45.798000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席及各位先進，有請國發會主委。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-16T11:32:45.998000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:32:46.218000+08:00","text":"請國發會葉主委。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:32:54.025000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:32:54.946000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:32:54.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:32:55.186000+08:00","text":"主委早。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:32:56.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:33:03.350000+08:00","text":"我先請教主委，到現在為止，你還認為我們今年的GDP可以到7.7%嗎？","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:33:03.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:33:03.490000+08:00","text":"我樂觀。樂觀？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:33:03.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:33:04.130000+08:00","text":"油價不會影響嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:33:04.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:33:07.432000+08:00","text":"油價已經漲了25%，有人講到30%了。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:33:07.672000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:33:09.353000+08:00","text":"油價要看中東那邊的軍事衝突。是啊！","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:33:09.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:33:09.833000+08:00","text":"現在看起來短時間是打不完咧！","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:33:20.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:33:26.906000+08:00","text":"有國外的研究機構指出可能會在4週左右，但這是一個……","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:33:27.087000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:33:29.549000+08:00","text":"不管幾週，從原來的80元，現在已經破百了……","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:33:30.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:33:31.572000+08:00","text":"短期的話，我們希望……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:33:31.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:33:44.723000+08:00","text":"剛才主計長還說只要油價漲10%，GDP就減少0.12%，主計長給我們的公式就是減少0.12%，現在已經漲了25%……","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:33:44.723000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:33:45.723000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告……","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:33:45.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:33:46.945000+08:00","text":"你聽我講完，現在已經漲了25%，所以是要減0.3%了嗎？","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:33:46.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:33:48.706000+08:00","text":"主計長講的那個10%是指國際油價，但是因為我們……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:33:48.706000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:33:49.706000+08:00","text":"國際油價，我講的就是國際油價。","quality":0.077},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:33:48.706000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:33:52.008000+08:00","text":"我們國內有一些緩漲跟凍漲機制，所以效果可能沒有那麼嚴重，就是像主計長講的10%就減0.12%。","quality":0.718},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:34:07.679000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:34:08.540000+08:00","text":"你打臉主計長喔！","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:34:08.981000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:34:09.902000+08:00","text":"沒有，也不是打臉……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:34:10.362000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:34:11.644000+08:00","text":"打臉主計長，主計長……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:34:11.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:34:16.670000+08:00","text":"只是那個比較的情境可能要說明一下。","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:34:16.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:34:20.114000+08:00","text":"所以你認為不管川普那邊怎麼打……","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:34:20.114000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:34:24.259000+08:00","text":"沒有，那個也要考慮。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:34:24.259000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:34:24.819000+08:00","text":"7.7%絕對是鐵的、一定有？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:34:28.944000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:34:31.666000+08:00","text":"沒有，委員，那個也要考慮啊！","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:34:31.666000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:34:32.666000+08:00","text":"要考慮，要怎麼考慮？","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:34:31.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:34:42.376000+08:00","text":"我這邊只是進一步說明，就是主計長講的那個情境跟我們目前國內的情境可能有一些差異性，這邊是跟委員分享那個差異性。","quality":0.827},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:34:42.577000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:34:43.077000+08:00","text":"他講的就是國際油價……對……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:34:43.077000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:34:51.245000+08:00","text":"他講的是國際油價，國內不管有沒有緩漲，這基本上都是有影響的，不會沒有影響。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:34:51.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:34:58.791000+08:00","text":"會有影響，對，只是說那個影響是不是到0.12%，就是10%會影響到0.12%這個部分，我們在細部再來……","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:34:59.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:35:03.435000+08:00","text":"所以你還是樂觀估算我們今年一定有7.7%以上，是不是？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:35:04.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:35:08.459000+08:00","text":"假如這個軍事衝突在一定時間之內解決的話……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:35:08.459000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:35:09.480000+08:00","text":"一定時間是多長？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:35:09.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:35:09.480000+08:00","text":"4個禮拜？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:35:11.784000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:35:12.625000+08:00","text":"這個我很難給你答案。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:35:12.625000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:35:14.126000+08:00","text":"你是中研院出身的，你說這樣！","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:35:14.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:35:23.614000+08:00","text":"但國外的一些報告有講，機率比較大的應該是4個禮拜。","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:35:23.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:35:31.160000+08:00","text":"好，國外有些分析師已經說美國已經進入新型的大蕭條，這句話你同意嗎？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:35:31.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:35:33.742000+08:00","text":"好幾篇的分析是這樣子，你同意嗎？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:35:33.742000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:35:38.360000+08:00","text":"我覺得每一個預測機構都有不一樣的假設啦！","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:35:38.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:35:39.600000+08:00","text":"不是，你同不同意嘛？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:35:40.481000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:35:48.587000+08:00","text":"他講美國經濟也是冷暖不均，跟我們一模一樣，我們就靠一支台積電股票，股票漲跌就看它。","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:35:49.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:35:49.487000+08:00","text":"沒有啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:35:49.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:35:55.231000+08:00","text":"就台積電這個部分來講，跟委員分享，台積電今年還是一樣……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:35:55.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:35:55.351000+08:00","text":"還是繼續漲啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:35:55.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:35:55.852000+08:00","text":"還是不錯啦！對啦！","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:35:55.852000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:35:56.852000+08:00","text":"繼續漲就對了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:35:56.392000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:35:59.894000+08:00","text":"還是不錯啦！來！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:35:59.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:36:03.197000+08:00","text":"回到我今天真的要問的，主權基金現在的進度怎麼樣？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:36:04.654000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:36:06.115000+08:00","text":"這個部分就是說……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:36:06.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:36:08.076000+08:00","text":"你們負責評估的，是你們啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:36:08.456000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:36:09.837000+08:00","text":"對，我們是負責評估沒有錯……","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:36:10.097000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:36:10.638000+08:00","text":"報告出來沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:36:11.658000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:36:14.280000+08:00","text":"現在還在就國外的一些執行狀況在……","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:36:14.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:36:15.581000+08:00","text":"什麼時候可以出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:36:16.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:36:18.117000+08:00","text":"這個可能要院這邊做……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:36:18.458000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:36:21.040000+08:00","text":"沒有，你們是國發會啊！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:36:22.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:36:24.603000+08:00","text":"什麼院，你要先出來才有院的問題啊！","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:36:25.103000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:36:28.947000+08:00","text":"現在就是各個相關部會在蒐集資料……","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:36:29.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:36:32.130000+08:00","text":"所以你們整理到什麼時候可以告一段落？","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:36:32.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:36:32.930000+08:00","text":"什麼時候？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:36:33.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:36:38.815000+08:00","text":"我只能就國發會這邊說話，我沒有辦法代表其他部會，但我們這邊其實有……","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:36:39.816000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:36:42.178000+08:00","text":"你是主管評估的單位啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:36:42.318000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:36:44.780000+08:00","text":"對，所以我國發會這一邊……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:36:44.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:36:48.662000+08:00","text":"你要給我一個時間表，已經很久了，從去年到現在已經4、5個月了。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:36:51.844000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:36:56.307000+08:00","text":"國發會其實有做一些國外案例的比較……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:36:56.307000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:36:56.928000+08:00","text":"所以你現在告訴我，來這裡總是要講一點話嘛！","quality":0.632},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:36:57.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:36:59.770000+08:00","text":"來，你跟我講，現在是positive還是negative？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:37:00.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:37:00.790000+08:00","text":"我們這邊的評估……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:37:00.790000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:37:08.584000+08:00","text":"positive還是negative，回答我？","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:37:08.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:37:10.366000+08:00","text":"委員，所謂的positive、negative是什麼？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:37:10.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:37:11.987000+08:00","text":"就是傾向要設還是不要設？","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:37:12.587000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:37:15.250000+08:00","text":"positive就是要設，negative就是不要設。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:37:15.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:37:25.498000+08:00","text":"我想主權基金的設立應該是一個政策方向，因為其他國家都在設了，像南韓今年又推了兩檔……","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:37:25.658000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:37:26.859000+08:00","text":"沒有其他國家啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:37:27.239000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:37:28.661000+08:00","text":"很多國家也沒有設啊！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:37:29.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:37:33.663000+08:00","text":"沒有，大部分國家，全世界大概有六十幾個國家……","quality":0.632},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:37:34.143000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:37:37.085000+08:00","text":"全球一百九十多個國家，有設的只有幾十個，差不多三十幾個而已啊！","quality":0.464},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:37:37.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:37:41.867000+08:00","text":"沒有，像中國有設，以色列、韓國也有設，新加坡……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:37:42.427000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:37:43.148000+08:00","text":"美國就沒有啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:37:43.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:37:44.348000+08:00","text":"有，美國他們有要推。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:37:44.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:37:45.789000+08:00","text":"但到現在為止沒有啊！有。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:37:46.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:37:48.110000+08:00","text":"因為那個不一定包賺的，大家都想多賺錢，問題是如果賠呢？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:37:48.110000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:37:56.034000+08:00","text":"所以我就問你，現在傾向於外匯的使用是要有償還是無償？","quality":0.083},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:37:56.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:37:56.195000+08:00","text":"這部分還在評估啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:37:56.315000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:37:56.495000+08:00","text":"要不要立特別法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:37:56.495000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:38:00.960667+08:00","text":"這個會立專法。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:38:00.960667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:38:05.426333+08:00","text":"要確定嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:38:05.426333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:38:09.892000+08:00","text":"要立專法，那我就提醒你……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:38:09.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:38:10.212000+08:00","text":"會立專法，我們這邊會建議……","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-16T11:38:11.293000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:38:12.354000+08:00","text":"央行強烈反對無償使用外匯，這個請你記清楚。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-16T11:38:12.414000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:38:12.414000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-16T11:38:12.414000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:38:13.275000+08:00","text":"謝謝賴士葆委員，主委先回座。","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-16T11:38:13.775000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:38:16.917857+08:00","text":"下一位質詢請蔡易餘委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}