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愛三飛行的真誠型天空飛彈三型的飛彈還有NASA這些都是為了要做我們完整我們的台灣之盾不過我們在這一次伊朗戰爭裡面看到日本好像在這一次的戰爭發現到一些事情就是它那個極音速飛彈的破壞力它後面很多都是中二的技術資源"},{"start":195.797,"end":200.041,"text":"所以他現在極力地要爭取金瓊金瓊是一個多層防導彈的防護系統主要目的是保護美國本土不要被洲際飛彈、超速飛彈、巡弋飛彈攻擊所以它的架構類似於二十世紀八零年代智能暖室的概念"},{"start":220.259,"end":227.688,"text":"那我想要請問布副長就是說台灣之盾跟美國現在這個金瓊是哪一個更能夠防守吸引數飛彈的攻擊"},{"start":229.104,"end":251.483,"text":"我簡單跟委員報告就是這個金瓊跟台灣之盾它確實在這個構想還有層次上面有不太一樣第一個部分是美國防空系統這個有關美國金瓊的這個防空系統那最主要是因應整個全球威脅來做部署那台灣的部分是防禦我們整個本島防衛為主"},{"start":253.024,"end":274.841,"text":"那第二個部分就是層次上面會不同因為美國的金瓊它區分了太空、高空、中空以及低空四個層次那就我們目前構築台灣之盾是因應敵情威脅去檢討高中低層那第三個不是武器系統如果這兩個比較起來我們哪一個更適合如果為了安全來說哪一個更適合台灣"},{"start":276.296,"end":291.568,"text":"目前來看是台灣之頓比較適合因為你要考量到整個建制的經費以及需求以及防衛的需求上面去做檢討那另外一個問題要提到就是說其實很多會員都提到說"},{"start":292.489,"end":310.523,"text":"是當現在世界各地的主要戰場都跟美國相關的時候他武器的製造跟運輸就非常非常的重要哪些國家可以拿到武器哪些國家必須等待這個一定有先後的問題嘛對不對那如果說我們中華民國現在如同國防部所說的必須要積極的防衛的話"},{"start":312.403,"end":325.231,"text":"我們要重視這個問題就是武器要趕快拿到手那部長美國提供武器是不是有先後順序是第一個問題第二個是台灣是不是列為優先的國家那如果不是的話要怎麼解決"},{"start":329.664,"end":353.1,"text":"鮑遠在近期美國宣布的資訊裡面,他已經提到了兩個重點第一個是願意針對自己的國防進行高額投資的國家第二個具有戰略關鍵性的國家我們台灣位於整個第一島鏈防守的關鍵位置所以當然我們在戰略上原本就具有重要性"},{"start":354.488,"end":369.161,"text":"在高額投資的部分,事實上我們在過去這段時間下來我們每年國防預算大概都以百分之八以上在逐年成長也展現了我們願意去投資我們的國防那最重要的就是我們在"},{"start":370.081,"end":389.048,"text":"這一次特別預算裡面所有軍購案的協調過程當中美方都強烈的表達對我們籌獲各式重要武器裝備的支持從這幾點就可以看得出來事實上美方把我們列為一個重要而且優先的一個供售對象所以可以確保台灣可以優先的拿到武器嗎"},{"start":391.144,"end":405.906,"text":"國外問題就是這樣,我們比較重要,我們的投資也比較多,我們是不是優先獲得採購武器的國家?這個是民眾很擔心的事情。我舉一個例子好了,我們籌購了82套的海馬式多管火箭飛彈系統,"},{"start":407.368,"end":427.337,"text":"事實上在同一個時間,跟美國籌購這個同類型系統的,不是只有我們而已。但是在這個部分,美國還是把我們列為一個優先工作的對象。所以我們這個部分,不僅優先獲得提供,而且他提供的套數也比其他的國家更多。"},{"start":428.285,"end":443.877,"text":"謝謝 因為其實本席以上的這些問題就是其實我們本席對軍購的態度都是支持的因為我們要買好的 要買用得到的然後最重要是可以及時叫貨的我想這個是這一次的重點那只要達到這些本席絕對支持我們國防的這些預算"},{"start":444.577,"end":471.196,"text":"那另外有幾個問題我大概再用點時間就是跟我們台東有相關跟國防相關的問題第一個就是在這個上個會期其實本席有跟國防部來反映就是台東的一些我們的漁民有來陳情就是演訓的時候他們都沒有辦法出海的事情那當時國防部也承諾說會避開漁訓然後盡量時間不要跟漁訓來做衝突那這部分再請國防部這邊來繼續來做加強那另外就是在於整個"},{"start":472.617,"end":488.851,"text":"市民也說我們都支持國防但是你也要給我們一條小路啦他們沒有辦法補貼的時候要相對的補貼也要給他們那公共部這邊也有做一些但是有一個就是在中科院好像沒有這部分的計畫所以這個也要請副副長是來來督促一下中科院說這邊呢趕快研議好中科院要回答"},{"start":497.777,"end":508.215,"text":"中科院現在的補助是針對我們九棚基地所在的範圍之內那有牽涉到的相關的漁會我們進行補助那台東這個部分的演訓因為"},{"start":509.574,"end":535.265,"text":"我們關閉的海域就在九鵬基地這個部分那後面我們會繼續再按委員要求去做更多的彈性對 這邊再請言因為它最後也不可能是用來用漁會的區來限制嘛對不對原本就是會移動的那還有就是最後一個問題就是也要幫我們國軍弟兄來講話那本期在選區服務的時候其實聽到很多國軍弟兄我們很好奇說 欸 你不是快退伍了嗎"},{"start":536.105,"end":559.023,"text":"他又留下來 他說因為他聽到加薪這件事情讓他覺得有正門的他說我決定留下來繼續再服務那這件事情是我自己的現任經驗我是義務役的軍醫下士我是一年四個月的醫期當年我們要退伍的時候部隊的指揮官都會要求我們希望我們能夠留下來 為什麼因為好不容易培養出來的這些"},{"start":560.164,"end":587.592,"text":"軍中的人才他會因為疫情結束而離開這對部隊來講是很大的損害我們投資這麼多在國防預算上面我們買這麼多武器最終還是需要有人才來使用人才是重點我相信副部長也很支持這些事情所以這個方面是不是請國防部隊我們一起來加油我們讓軍中的待遇 地區的待遇能夠再增加然後讓他們安心的可以留在部隊裡面服務那這部分 副部長是不是可以有更正面的回應"},{"start":588.433,"end":601.514,"text":"目前整個加薪的方案其實國安部已經有妥善的做一些規劃跟政策的說明那之前在之前已經也有詳細的做過報告謝謝副部長 以上質詢謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:35:24.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:35:27.018000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請副部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-16T11:35:27.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:35:27.179000+08:00","text":"請副部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾副部長樹明","start":"2026-03-16T11:35:27.179000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:35:35.270000+08:00","text":"黃委員好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:35:35.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:35:35.451000+08:00","text":"副部長好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:35:36.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:35:46.716000+08:00","text":"本席這兩年都在內政委員會，第一次參加外交及國防委員會，國防和外交是相對專業而且嚴肅的問題，所以有很多問題要向副部長就教。","quality":0.696},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:35:49.657000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:35:57.441000+08:00","text":"從烏克蘭戰爭和最近以色列的衝突，我們可以檢視一件事情，就是世界各國先遣的防空飛彈系統到底有沒有用。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:35:58.341000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:36:14.170000+08:00","text":"就以烏俄戰爭以來，全球都注意到採用大量無人機是未來戰爭的趨勢，與此同時，俄羅斯也在2024年首次把極音速，也就是超高音速的武器投入實戰裡面。","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:36:15.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:36:34.866000+08:00","text":"去年9月北京大閱兵，中國展示了數種極音速飛彈，從反艦到對地，一應俱全，請問副部長，根據你的看法，對極音速飛彈的防禦效果，目前世界各國的防空飛彈系統是有用還是沒有用的？","quality":0.703},{"speaker":"鍾副部長樹明","start":"2026-03-16T11:36:36.974000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:37:13.939000+08:00","text":"第一個，委員所提無人機的飽和攻擊還有飛彈的攻擊，確實是未來戰場上重要的一個威脅，我們現在在構築臺灣之盾的整體防禦系統最主要就是希望能夠做到高度感知這件事情，就是我們要建置非常多的sensor去瞭解敵人發射不管是極音速、彈道飛彈或者是巡弋飛彈，知道他們有沒有發射，第二個，我們分高、中、低層，運用不同的武器來攔截它，第三個是有效攔截。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"鍾副部長樹明","start":"2026-03-16T11:37:15.039000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:37:43.691000+08:00","text":"剛剛您講所有的飛彈，目前全世界的防空飛彈防禦系統確實沒有辦法達到百分之百，它只能從有效的攔截率去檢討相對應的防空飛彈如何能夠有效地攔截，所以這個攔截當然對於防空系統沒辦法達到百分之百，但就相對應的防空武器而言，確實是有其必要。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:37:44.252000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:37:57.484000+08:00","text":"所以我們為了因應整個中國解放軍武力威脅要極力發展臺灣之盾，臺灣之盾未來要整合美製和國造的飛彈系統，成為完整的防空體系，對不對？是。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:38:00.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:38:26.691000+08:00","text":"盤點整個防空體系，我們大概有六種主要的防空武器，像中科院自己研發的強弓飛彈天弓四型，號稱攔截高度可以達到70公里，會站在攔截的第一線，另外還有愛國者愛三增程型飛彈、天弓飛彈三型和NASAMS，這些都是為了建構完整的臺灣之盾。","quality":0.784},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:38:27.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:38:40.117000+08:00","text":"不過我們在這次的伊朗戰爭裡面看到，日本好像在這次戰爭發現一些事情，就是極音速飛彈的破壞力後面很多都是中、俄的技術支援，所以他們現在要極力爭取「金穹」。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:38:40.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:38:44.021000+08:00","text":"據本席瞭解，金穹是一個多層導彈防禦系統，主要目的是保護美國本土不要被洲際飛彈、超音速飛彈、巡弋飛彈攻擊，所以它的架構類似20世紀80年代「智能卵石」的概念。","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:39:04.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:39:11.688000+08:00","text":"我想請問副部長，臺灣之盾跟美國現在這個金穹，哪一個更能防禦極音速飛彈的攻擊？","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"鍾副部長樹明","start":"2026-03-16T11:39:13.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:39:53.577000+08:00","text":"我簡單跟委員報告，金穹跟臺灣之盾確實在構想和層次上面不太一樣，第一個部分是，美國金穹這個防空系統最主要是因應全球威脅來做部署，臺灣的部分是以我們整個本島的防衛為主；第二個部分是層次上面會不同，因為美國的金穹區分了太空、高空、中空與低空4個層次，而我們目前構築臺灣之盾是因應敵情威脅去檢討高、中、低層；第三個部分是……","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:39:54.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:39:58.841000+08:00","text":"副部長，這兩個比較起來，如果為了安全來說，哪一個更適合臺灣？","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:39:58.841000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:40:00.296000+08:00","text":"金穹會比較適合嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾副部長樹明","start":"2026-03-16T11:40:00.296000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:40:03.599000+08:00","text":"目前來看是臺灣之盾比較適合。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:40:03.599000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:40:04.599000+08:00","text":"臺灣之盾比較適合？","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:40:04.599000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:40:05.599000+08:00","text":"所以日本……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾副部長樹明","start":"2026-03-16T11:40:04.099000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:40:11.485000+08:00","text":"因為你要考量到整個建置的經費以及防衛的需求，從這上面去做檢討。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:40:11.485000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:40:12.826000+08:00","text":"謝謝部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:40:12.826000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:40:30.360000+08:00","text":"另外，很多委員也都提到，當現在世界各地主要戰場跟美國相關的時候，武器的製造和運輸就非常非常重要，哪些國家可以拿到武器，哪些國家必須等待，這個一定有先後的問題，對不對？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:40:30.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:40:42.627000+08:00","text":"如果我們中華民國現在如同國防部所說的必須積極防衛的話，要重視的就是武器要趕快拿到手，請問美國提供武器是不是有先後順序？","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:40:42.727000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:40:43.367000+08:00","text":"這是第一個問題。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:40:43.367000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:40:47.009000+08:00","text":"第二個問題是，臺灣是不是列為優先的國家？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:40:47.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:40:49.231000+08:00","text":"如果不是的話，要怎麼解決？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃司長文啓","start":"2026-03-16T11:40:53.664000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:41:06.893000+08:00","text":"報告委員，在近期美國宣布的資訊裡面已經提到兩個重點，第一個是願意針對自己的國防進行高額投資的國家，第二個是具有戰略關鍵性的國家。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"黃司長文啓","start":"2026-03-16T11:41:08.855000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:41:43.705000+08:00","text":"我們臺灣位於整個第一島鏈防守的關鍵位置，所以當然我們在戰略上原本就具有重要性；在高額投資的部分，事實上我們在過去這段時間以來，每年的國防預算大概都以8%以上在逐年成長，也展現了我們願意去投資我們的國防；最重要的是，我們在這次的特別預算裡面，所有軍購案的協調過程當中，美方都強烈表達對我們籌獲各式重要武器裝備的支持。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"黃司長文啓","start":"2026-03-16T11:41:44.105000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:41:50.047000+08:00","text":"從這幾點就可以看得出來，事實上美方把我們列為一個重要而且優先的供售對象。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:41:50.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:41:53.028000+08:00","text":"所以可以確保臺灣能優先拿到武器吧？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:41:55.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:42:01.093000+08:00","text":"我的問題就是這樣，如果我們比較重要、投資也比較多，我們是不是優先獲得採購武器的國家？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:42:02.155000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:42:03.316000+08:00","text":"這是民眾很擔心的事情。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃司長文啓","start":"2026-03-16T11:42:04.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:42:32.285000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我舉一個例子好了，我們籌購了82套的海馬士多管火箭飛彈系統，事實上在同一個時間跟美國籌購同類型系統的不是只有我們而已，但是在這個部分，美國還是把我們列為優先供售的對象，所以我們這個部分不僅優先獲得提供，而且他們提供的套數也比其他國家更多。謝謝。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:42:32.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:42:42.192000+08:00","text":"其實本席對軍購的態度是支持的，但是我們要買好的、用得到的，最重要是可以及時交貨的。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:42:43.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:42:47.857000+08:00","text":"這是這次的重點，只要達到這些，本席絕對支持國防預算。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:42:48.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:43:14.095000+08:00","text":"另外占用一點時間討論我們臺東和國防相關的問題，第一個是上個會期本席有跟國防部反映，我們臺東的漁民有來陳情，說演訓的時候他們都沒有辦法出海，當時國防部承諾會避開漁汛，演訓時間儘量不要跟漁汛衝突，這部分請國防部繼續加強。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:43:14.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:43:32.311000+08:00","text":"另外就是漁民說他們都支持國防，但是你們也要給他們一條生路，他們沒有辦法捕魚的時候，也要給他們面對的補貼，這方面國防部雖然有做一些，但是中科院好像沒有這方面的計畫，所以要請副部長督促一下中科院趕快研議。好。","quality":0.766},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:43:32.411000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:43:32.831000+08:00","text":"中科院要不要回答？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"李院長世強","start":"2026-03-16T11:43:41.777000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:44:01.397000+08:00","text":"中科院現在的補助是針對九鵬基地所在範圍之內有牽涉到的相關漁會進行補助，有關臺東的部分，因為演訓時我們關閉的海域只有在九鵬基地的部分，後續我們會按照委員的要求做更多彈性的處理。","quality":0.807},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:44:02.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:44:08.460000+08:00","text":"這部分要請您留意，因為漁民本來就是會移動的，不可能以漁會的區域為限。","quality":0.355},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:44:10.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:44:27.231000+08:00","text":"本席最後要幫國軍弟兄講話，因為本席在選區服務的時候聽到很多國軍弟兄在談話中好奇原本快要退伍的同袍為什麼要留下來，對方表示自己聽到加薪這件事情之後感到有被振奮到，於是決定繼續留下來服務。","quality":0.58},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:44:27.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:44:40.101000+08:00","text":"我自己對這件事情有切身經驗，我是義務役的軍醫下士，役期1年10個月，當年我們要退伍的時候，部隊的指揮官都希望我們能留下來。","quality":0.83},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:44:40.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:44:40.341000+08:00","text":"為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:44:40.341000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:44:48.485000+08:00","text":"因為軍中好不容易培養出來的人才到了役期結束就離開，對部隊來講是很大的損失。","quality":0.771},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:44:49.286000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:44:57.588000+08:00","text":"我們投資這麼多國防預算買這麼多武器，最終還是需要有人才來使用，人才是重點。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:44:57.588000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:45:11.592000+08:00","text":"我相信副部長也很支持這些事情，所以這個方面是不是請國防部我們一起來加油，讓軍中弟兄的待遇能夠再增加，讓他們可以安心的留在部隊裡面服務，這個部分副部長是不是可以有更正面的回應？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"鍾副部長樹明","start":"2026-03-16T11:45:13.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:45:22.429000+08:00","text":"整個加薪的方案，目前國防部已經有妥善的規劃和政策說明，在之前也有詳細的做過報告了。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-16T11:45:22.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T11:45:25.514000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝副部長，以上質詢，謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-16T11:45:26.014000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T11:45:29.728286+08:00","text":"接下來請王義川委員上臺質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}