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可是做落實分類又有點困難因為已經瀝乾了所以這些必須趕快把廚餘飼料化才能解決廚餘的問題也可以讓廚餘做循環經濟"},{"start":1360.051,"end":1366.156,"text":"好不好好謝謝委員的關心我想我們會努力好謝謝部長接下來本席要請教的就是觀光產業來"},{"start":1374.502,"end":1390.963,"text":"因為現在疫情之後我們的觀光產業真的是非常非常的低迷據我們觀光署的資料裡面說2025年我們出國的人有1894萬人創了歷史新高但相反的"},{"start":1392.085,"end":1405.102,"text":"來台灣的觀光人只有857萬人那這整個逆差將近有1037萬人如果說我們用人均的消費來看的話出國的消費我們抓到大概4萬塊他們大概創造觀光的產值是3000"},{"start":1408.927,"end":1438.064,"text":"437億然後到台灣的來消費的話我們抓5萬5千的話他們消費大概是出國的人消費5萬5千的話他大概是一兆零五百億這樣子的貿易逆差這樣的觀光逆差的話大概就7千億所以我們的因應措施是什麼尤其是我們賴清德總統特別提到觀光國家隊那你們對於人才對產業對商品項目你們輔導的情形如何"},{"start":1442.669,"end":1467.607,"text":"您所關心的這個觀光的議題其實台灣的觀光歷差從民國78年就開始到現在差不多37年的時間到38年的時間那因為台灣是一個外貿型的國家所以其實大家出國的頻繁的次數相當的高那另外台灣的經濟的狀況成長的快速的時候出國的人數也會增加我們有看過這30幾年來的這個比例看起來是只要經濟狀況好那出國的人數就會多"},{"start":1468.087,"end":1489.321,"text":"跟委員報告確實我們這幾年的觀光人數連續三年到四年之間我們其實都是很穩定的在成長前年成長了一百多萬人我說的是國外來到台灣的旅客去年成長了差不多八九十萬人也是不少我們希望每一年都能夠穩步的成長不過有一個好的現象是所以部長"},{"start":1489.981,"end":1509.729,"text":"國人愛出國啦那國外的觀光客又不進來這種情形我們要了解那找出關鍵的原因關鍵的原因是什麼你可以找出來是不是我們的觀光景點不夠有特色或是我們的觀光景點的特別的地方又非常重複性很高這些也是個問題"},{"start":1510.81,"end":1526.032,"text":"這個都往外去突破了包括文化、人文底蘊這些或有深度旅遊的部分你們都要去創造出來要有所改變特色是很重要的深度旅遊也是我們目前正在推廣的希望把那個郵程更有深度化"},{"start":1527.935,"end":1539.57,"text":"幾項具體的工作跟委員報告我們今年一整年的中央政府總預算當中要實現我們的市政計畫就是發展觀光推升觀光我們要發展會展經濟國際會議經濟國際體育賽事跟演唱會另外我們在北回之巔"},{"start":1545.097,"end":1570.557,"text":"南部的北圍之巔以及微笑南灣我們都有具體的計畫我們現在全力搶修花蓮太魯閣讓它成為再度能夠引起觀光話題的一個地方接著呢阿里山還有鐵道文化另外我們也注重文化的 文化觀光包括你們這個桃園鄧允賢的紀念館中照鎮的文學生活館等等文化把它放進來好 都有在做 但是"},{"start":1571.798,"end":1588.091,"text":"加強我們不管怎麼做就是讓觀光客進來啦好不好因為台灣人又愛出國但原因關鍵的你們沒有發現到一個問題這是產業跟我講的還有所有民眾的反應最有感覺的反應就是住宿費住宿費太高了"},{"start":1588.865,"end":1607.692,"text":"你看從疫情到現在我們的住宿費調高了將近百分之二十這部分的話我們也知道你們努力鼓勵國人平日去旅遊會補助一千、兩千雖然說還沒公告但你們還是要趕快去推動但是"},{"start":1609.152,"end":1626.423,"text":"這個會不會變相又讓旅館那個住旅宿業的人他有沒有變相的加價這些都要去關心那我們最重要是希望說我們政府對於這個旅宿業的部分要給他們做一個評定有個審核要給他一個標準為什麼這麼說呢因為我們知道說他們要給觀光局"},{"start":1631.346,"end":1648.941,"text":"給他們公安署給他們備查他們這個制定住房費的標準嘛普通房跟我們高級房或者是房間的這個住宿標準的價格喔你們有 是備查制備查這一管理方面是比較沒有比較權利性的去控管喔"},{"start":1649.321,"end":1673.016,"text":"所以他們會在假日就像你們剛剛院長講的有活動的時候或者是有假日的時候就會把原來是五千塊的住宿費變成一萬塊兩萬塊有這種情形反而你不能去約束他因為他只是備查而已這方面你們有沒有要做一個修正或者做研議對這個方面去加強管理讓我們旅宿業的住宿費價格能夠有個標準性的審核"},{"start":1673.897,"end":1692.431,"text":"像委員報告確實我們在疫情的時候房價非常便宜那是因為疫情的需求比較低那這幾年確實他們有開始調回來所以大家感受上會比較高那去年整體的房價的成長的比例是只有0.8%左右那所以其實成長的比例並不高那我們現在也正在努力"},{"start":1693.091,"end":1711.323,"text":"協助業者把這個成本盡量降低包含人力的部分包含其他的成本我們盡量協助他降低看房價能不能降低那另外我們有請觀光署有成立一個平價的旅宿的專業在網路上面我們整體2000家有優惠的旅宿那另外還有一些平價的旅宿我們提供給一般的旅客"},{"start":1722.691,"end":1749.345,"text":"好 接下來請回 接下來我想問國防部院長 君愛民 民進軍國防有任何需要 在地方有什麼配合要演習的民眾都非常的配合那因為在我的地方龍潭的林雲崗這個靶場噪音非常大"},{"start":1751.326,"end":1773.573,"text":"這個問題我們一直都有反應但是反應的話就沒有下文所以今天才會在這邊跟院長來報告也請部長來關心因為這個打靶場非常吵以前民眾都忍耐忍耐那我這個打靶場比較特別離這個靶場非常的近所以他們一直反應沒有辦法後來我們去現場會館的時候又找我們那個"},{"start":1776.934,"end":1791.6,"text":"六軍團的參謀長還有我們的司令部都有到現場我們只在門口外就聽到靶場聲音非常非常的大所以我們也要求他們做一些隔音設備那預算都有編下去也都在做但是我們現在是說"},{"start":1793.157,"end":1813.853,"text":"民眾很細心有去規劃去了解他每天打靶一年365天打靶時間超過200天從早上8點到晚上的9點院長你可以想像就是整天在你家裡門口放鞭炮一樣這麼大聲但是我們就需要說要怎麼去管理就是我們最重要有一個法規面就是我們可以把"},{"start":1815.415,"end":1828.173,"text":"這個 木林費我們變木林費的話 他可以給給他比較接近的人可以裝氣密窗齁但是這木林費裡面把 唯一把這個清兵器的這個木林費給排除在外"},{"start":1861.49,"end":1868.992,"text":"請部長書面再回給李委員好不好"},{"start":1876.23,"end":1876.25,"text":"好,謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:03:17.511000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:03:17.712000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:03:18.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:03:22.174000+08:00","text":"請卓院長及經濟部龔部長。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-17T09:03:22.174000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:03:23.174000+08:00","text":"請卓院長備詢，請經濟部龔部長備詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T09:03:22.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:03:22.174000+08:00","text":"呂委員好。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-17T09:03:22.174000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:03:23.174000+08:00","text":"委員早安。","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:03:22.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:03:51.210000+08:00","text":"院長、部長，美國的關稅從去年延燒到現在，最新的消息是美方祭出301條款要來審查，並且具體納入了16個國家，臺灣也在裡面。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:03:51.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:03:57.872000+08:00","text":"所以要請教院長跟部長，我方是不是會被美國通知？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:03:58.692000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:04:00.373000+08:00","text":"有接到通知了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:04:01.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:04:02.354000+08:00","text":"他調查的內容是什麼？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T09:04:03.999000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:04:25.074000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，美方已經對外說明過，有60個國家，包括中華民國臺灣在內要接受301條款的調查，其中應該有兩項主要的調查，一個是有沒有產量過剩；一個是有沒有強迫勞動等等，現在正式的調查還沒有開始。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:04:25.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:04:26.755000+08:00","text":"所以接到美方的通知了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T09:04:27.475000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:04:28.196000+08:00","text":"我們知道有這個訊息。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:04:28.196000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:04:29.196000+08:00","text":"知道了？","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:04:28.976000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:04:29.737000+08:00","text":"也知道哪些相關產業會被調查？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:04:29.777000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:04:29.957000+08:00","text":"就是調查的對象。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T09:04:33.731000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:04:41.561000+08:00","text":"被調查的產業有相當多，包括電子、自行車、汽車零組件，還有好幾項，這些都在調查範圍當中。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:04:43.043000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:04:59.721000+08:00","text":"院長、部長，本席會這麼提出來就是因為之前我們有去洽談ART，ART是臺美貿易協定，但是他們現在又祭出了301條款，301條款是屬於貿易法，法律位階會在上面，如果以這兩項來說，會是301條款說了算，對不對？","quality":0.819},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-17T09:04:59.721000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:05:21.109000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我剛剛有提到，因為美方現在301條款關心的一些項目，有關於強迫勞動的相關議題，基本上在ART裡面也有涵蓋這些項目，這個部分事實上我們跟美方大概都已經談定了，將來可能是……","quality":0.823},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:05:21.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:05:23.111000+08:00","text":"所以ART算嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-17T09:05:23.111000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:05:24.111000+08:00","text":"對，在ART的項目……","quality":0.125},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:05:24.111000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:05:25.111000+08:00","text":"他現在祭出301條款了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-17T09:05:23.651000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:05:26.974000+08:00","text":"ART的項目裡面有涵蓋這些項目。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:05:27.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:05:30.497000+08:00","text":"所以我們ART談的算不算？算啊！算？對。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:05:31.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:05:54.768000+08:00","text":"所以，部長，因為現在他們是說，301條款是授權美方可以用高關稅作為制裁的工具，如果他調查出來後，他們的貿易逆差或者是我們政府的補助等等情形，如果影響他們的整個貿易逆差的話，他們就會用無上限的高關稅的方式來制裁。","quality":0.883},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-17T09:05:54.768000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:05:55.768000+08:00","text":"對，所以……","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:05:54.768000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:05:59.751000+08:00","text":"所以這兩個是可以同樣成立，ART跟301條款同樣成立，還是301條款說了算？","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-17T09:06:01.439000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:06:13.267000+08:00","text":"所以我們現在持續的有在跟美方聯繫當中，我們希望可以在ART的基礎之上，維持ART的結論。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:06:15.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:06:16.839000+08:00","text":"但是他301條款還是要調查我們啊。","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-17T09:06:17.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:06:19.140000+08:00","text":"調查不一定會成立或者是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:06:19.140000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:06:20.140000+08:00","text":"如果不一定……","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-17T09:06:19.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:06:20.421000+08:00","text":"會有新的措施啊。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:06:20.581000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:06:25.003000+08:00","text":"部長，不可以用「不一定」，所以產業都非常的緊張擔心……","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-17T09:06:25.003000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:06:26.003000+08:00","text":"所以我們是儘量的爭取……","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:06:25.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:06:31.526000+08:00","text":"他們就成為了調查的對象，如果有貿易逆差的情形，他們就可以用無上限的高關稅。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-17T09:06:32.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:06:34.727000+08:00","text":"對，所以我們儘量爭取，就是維持ART的結論。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:06:34.727000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:06:37.668000+08:00","text":"所以法律跟這個協定是哪個位階會在上面？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:06:38.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:06:39.508000+08:00","text":"如果是二選一的話。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T09:06:39.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:06:48.812000+08:00","text":"我剛剛跟委員報告過，美方要對60個國家展開這一波的調查，目前調查還沒有正式展開，所以我們就是在準備好，用我們的ART……","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:06:48.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:06:49.372000+08:00","text":"當然要準備好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T09:06:50.212000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:06:54.654000+08:00","text":"用我們簽署的ART的內容，其中牽涉到301條款的部分……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:06:54.654000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:06:55.654000+08:00","text":"是，所以？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T09:06:55.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:06:58.555000+08:00","text":"我們堅持用ART的內容來維護我們的最佳待遇。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:06:58.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:07:04.817000+08:00","text":"院長、部長，去年我們在談的時候，他們一開始宣布的時候是什麼？32%。是。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:07:04.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:07:11.860000+08:00","text":"後來是20%，到最後的話，我們今年在談ART的時候，他又祭出了15%，但是現在的話是10%，10%加N呢！是。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:07:16.382000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:07:36.858000+08:00","text":"所以現在的話，他們一直在談301條款，我們希望面對301條款的調查，既然那你們對ART這麼有信心的話，要請你們未來我們要談ART的時候，一定要把我們ART所談定的這些豁免權放到301條款裡面，可不可以？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T09:07:37.339000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:07:37.339000+08:00","text":"當然，國會……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:07:37.339000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:07:39.260000+08:00","text":"豁免權。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T09:07:39.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:07:49.109000+08:00","text":"國會跟整個社會對我們的談判，已經初步表示願意給予支持的話，那我們對外力道會更強，我們爭取維護國家利益的力道就會更強，只要我們……","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:07:51.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:07:56.896000+08:00","text":"所以我們談判代表一定要把這個……因為ART裡面有最優惠國，對不對？對。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:07:56.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:08:02.261000+08:00","text":"我們把最優惠國再放進去ART的豁免權裡面，我們大家才能夠穩定，才能夠放心。是的。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:08:03.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:08:08.367000+08:00","text":"我們產業才可以繼續的衝刺，也可以緩衝、緩和一下，對不對？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-17T09:08:08.367000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:08:09.367000+08:00","text":"是、是、是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:08:08.367000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:08:25.738000+08:00","text":"好，那在ART裡面，本席去調閱後有看到一個情形，就是我們有編列一些預算，在這個預算裡面我們希望能夠對於產業的各方面去執行、去關心、去看看他們整個調查的情形。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:08:26.378000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:08:48.182000+08:00","text":"在我們的韌性特別預算裡面，編列了5,447億的經費，其中經濟部本部跟四個署裡面就有460億的經費，但是我看到這個資料裡面，除了產發署跟中小企業署他們有在執行，其他的都沒有執行。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-17T09:08:48.542000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:08:51.706000+08:00","text":"有、有、有，每一個都有執行，報告委員，詳細的資料我可以給委員。","quality":0.52},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:08:52.787000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:08:53.868000+08:00","text":"這個資料都是你們給我的。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-17T09:08:54.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:08:55.130000+08:00","text":"那個都有執行，只是說……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:08:55.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:08:56.692000+08:00","text":"那你們給我資料是錯的囉？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-17T09:08:57.172000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:09:00.416000+08:00","text":"不是、不是，貿易署是一年一併核定……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:09:01.317000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:09:02.037000+08:00","text":"我們編列的預算……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-17T09:09:03.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:09:03.058000+08:00","text":"所以這個案子……","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:09:03.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:09:04.358000+08:00","text":"這個是114年，我講的是114年……","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-17T09:09:04.358000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:09:05.358000+08:00","text":"對、對、對……","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:09:04.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:09:05.819000+08:00","text":"不是全部的預算。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-17T09:09:06.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:09:10.841000+08:00","text":"就是案子來，3月多的時候它會一次核定，核定完以後就是一年的……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:09:11.142000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:09:13.343000+08:00","text":"所以每個署都有去執行，而執行的情形怎麼樣？","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-17T09:09:13.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:09:14.623000+08:00","text":"對，都已經在執行，而且我們……","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:09:14.623000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:09:15.623000+08:00","text":"執行得怎麼樣？","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-17T09:09:14.623000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:09:17.124000+08:00","text":"每一個禮拜都有在開檢討報告會議。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-17T09:09:19.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:09:24.984000+08:00","text":"現在申請的案子大概總共有三、四千件的案子進來，那我們核定的……所以……","quality":0.793},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-17T09:09:25.144000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:09:30.789000+08:00","text":"已經核定的大概超過一千七百多件，已經在執行的，每一個署都通通在……","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:09:30.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:09:36.555000+08:00","text":"所以這四個署都是必要的，不論是產發署還是商發署還是貿易署這些，都很重要。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-17T09:09:36.555000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:09:37.555000+08:00","text":"對、對，沒有錯……","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:09:36.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:09:37.295000+08:00","text":"我們要跟……","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-17T09:09:37.295000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:09:38.295000+08:00","text":"沒有錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:09:38.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:09:59.826000+08:00","text":"我們編列的預算中有一項，本席要提出來的就是，我們貿易署有編列6,850萬，特別在114年已經給你們預算1,350萬，希望要研究美國經貿動向對我國的影響，儘量去持續的跟美國智庫這邊來討論跟溝通，但114年都沒有在執行。","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-17T09:10:00.706000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:10:01.706000+08:00","text":"這是要招標的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:10:02.787000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:10:03.967000+08:00","text":"現在才招標？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:10:03.967000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:10:04.247000+08:00","text":"預算是114年的！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-17T09:10:04.247000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:10:06.593000+08:00","text":"就是2025年，是今年的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:10:06.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:10:15.335000+08:00","text":"每一年都有這個預算，所以動作太慢了，你們慢半拍，產業就需要我們政府的支持，你慢半拍我們怎麼救產業？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:10:15.335000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:10:16.236000+08:00","text":"怎麼挺產業呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-17T09:10:18.136000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:10:24.298000+08:00","text":"產業也就是廠商的部分都已經在執行，但是因為跟智庫合作的部分可能還要有招標的程序。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:10:24.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:10:57.517000+08:00","text":"好，趕快做，產業希望我們政府去支持它，所以政府沒有在做，我們桃園都有在做，這張圖表給大家看一下我們桃園做的，我們深度訪談本地的40個企業，才會知道產業需要的什麼，尤其針對於它們的外部壓力、內部的衝擊跟未來整個因應策略，了解這些之後我們再配合韌性特別預算去支持產業，產業才能穩定的發展，所以請部長加快腳步好不好？","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:10:58.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:10:58.938000+08:00","text":"關心了解產業……","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-17T09:10:58.938000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:10:59.938000+08:00","text":"有，座談會有持續在辦理，然後……","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:10:58.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-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"quality":0.947},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T09:14:40.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:14:44.833000+08:00","text":"我們持續關注所有的變化再來進行必要的檢討，謝謝。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:14:44.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:14:48.676000+08:00","text":"好，一定要注意貨物稅，因為我們的貨物稅也是滿高的，15%到30%嘛！","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:14:50.816000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:14:59.985000+08:00","text":"接下來本席希望對於目前延燒的關稅問題，我們要去看看各產業，需要幫忙的我們就要快速的去幫忙。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-17T09:14:59.985000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:15:01.326000+08:00","text":"有、有、有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:15:01.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:15:14.379000+08:00","text":"接下來本席要提的是，因為你們已經公告要去執行了，就是我們廚餘養豬全面轉型，黑毛豬產業前途茫茫。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:15:15.605000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:15:17.126000+08:00","text":"本席為什麼要這麼說？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:15:18.746000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:15:30.230000+08:00","text":"農業部陳部長，我們在委員會已經討論很久了，公布了要全面禁用廚餘養豬，但是為什麼會用廚餘養豬？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:15:30.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:15:36.753000+08:00","text":"大部分都是養黑毛豬，養黑毛豬的地點大概都在屏東跟桃園。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:15:37.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:15:40.354000+08:00","text":"我們為什麼要用廚餘養豬？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:15:41.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:15:47.298000+08:00","text":"部長也在這邊，院長，我跟你報告，是因為成本問題。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:15:47.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:16:21.568000+08:00","text":"黑毛豬牠們的飼養期是12個月到15個月，比白豬多了1倍的時間，白豬可能6個月就可以了，所以成本這麼高，因此廚餘也是牽涉到減低他們的成本，最重要的是，因為他們會把廚餘弄熱來給黑豬吃，黑豬吃了熱的廚餘之後，牠們會比較肥、長得比較快、長得比較大，而且口感、品質也會比較好，這個前提我一定要讓院長你了解。了解。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:16:21.688000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:16:26.829000+08:00","text":"為什麼養黑豬的養豬戶會這麼緊張？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:16:26.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:16:28.790000+08:00","text":"未來他們是不是要自生自滅？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:16:28.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:16:30.271000+08:00","text":"未來生計在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:16:30.271000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:16:35.854000+08:00","text":"所以一再要本席再次、再次的跟我們院長、部長提出來。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:16:36.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:16:45.318000+08:00","text":"現在我們農業部也聽到我們的反映了，也很努力，我們的畜產所也研發出了5種飼料。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T09:16:45.318000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:16:46.318000+08:00","text":"飼料配方。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T09:16:46.318000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:16:47.318000+08:00","text":"飼料配方。","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:16:46.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:16:50.341000+08:00","text":"這個飼料是給黑毛豬吃的飼料，讓他們可以來用。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:16:55.734000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:16:58.156000+08:00","text":"部長，飼料補助是不是到今年年底？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:16:58.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:17:01.119000+08:00","text":"所以本席的第一個請求是……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T09:17:01.239000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:17:03+08:00","text":"我們轉型的補助是到今年年底。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:17:03.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:17:04.281000+08:00","text":"對，今年年底。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:17:04.842000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:17:22.776000+08:00","text":"本席的意思是說，因為黑毛豬的飼養期，剛剛提到是12到15個月，白豬是6個月，所以他們的飼料補助可不可以用常態性來做，請去研究，不要在這邊拒絕我，可以嗎？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T09:17:24.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:17:40.843000+08:00","text":"基本上，到年底的話我們是轉型的協助，而不是飼料補助，飼料補助的話，純粹因為非洲豬瘟的飼料補助到去年12月底就已經結束了，所以從今年開始做的都是轉型相關的這些補助。","quality":0.89},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:17:41.925000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:17:44.006000+08:00","text":"部長，今年為什麼會還有一年？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:17:44.646000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:17:51.808000+08:00","text":"就是因為家戶廚餘去年就全面禁止了，今年還有事業廚餘，緩衝期是一年。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:17:52.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:17:55.229000+08:00","text":"所有要用廚餘養豬的人他們要做什麼事情？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:17:55.709000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:18:13.757000+08:00","text":"他們要用裝GPS的車子去載運，他們要有監視器去監視他們蒸煮的狀況，這些都做了，花了這麼多錢，就這一年，為了這一年要養豬、要廚餘養豬，所以他們做了，但是今年年底之後，所有的設備都要拆除欸！","quality":0.916},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:18:15.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:18:23.184000+08:00","text":"部長，本席再提醒你，植物性的廢料是可以飼養豬的，對不對？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:18:23.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:18:30.005000+08:00","text":"植物性的廢料還是要蒸煮，那為什麼要把所有的設備拆除掉呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:18:30.726000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:18:31.808000+08:00","text":"你可以讓他去蒸煮嘛！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:18:32.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:18:40.821000+08:00","text":"剛剛它的前提本席也提到了，要煮熱，你植物性的廢料可以用，它如果去煮熱、高溫殺菌不是更好嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:18:42.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:18:44.008000+08:00","text":"不是讓豬的腸胃會更好嗎？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T09:18:44.008000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:18:58.519000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，現在植物性的廢料跟禽類的下腳料的部分，我們會輔導轉型成一個有規格、有品規的循環再利用的飼料，它不是像過去就是蒸煮完了以後就出來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:18:58.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:19:01.081000+08:00","text":"我是說不要強迫拆除這些機器設備。","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T09:19:03.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:19:12.932000+08:00","text":"沒有，基本上在個別的養豬戶就是要拆除，因為個別的養豬戶，從過去的經驗，你只要讓蒸煮廠在那邊的時候，它就有可能……","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:19:13.232000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:19:17.377000+08:00","text":"部長，你有沒有去看看養豬戶為什麼這麼堅持要這個蒸煮？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T09:19:17.377000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:19:18.377000+08:00","text":"我另外跟委員報告……","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:19:18.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:19:19.799000+08:00","text":"未來我們會跟日本學習……對。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:19:19.799000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:19:31.730000+08:00","text":"學習日本的廚餘飼料化，廚餘飼料化以後，植物廢料、廢渣整個去蒸煮，還是要蒸煮啊！","quality":0.794},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:19:32.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:19:40.018000+08:00","text":"攪拌還是要蒸煮，所以剛剛就強調「熱食、熱食」，所以請研議，部長，你不要再拒絕了，我們委員會討論過了……","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T09:19:40.418000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:19:40.418000+08:00","text":"我們會……","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:19:41.039000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:19:43.942000+08:00","text":"我現在是請問院長，本席都提出來……","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T09:19:43.942000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:19:44.942000+08:00","text":"好，跟委員報告……","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:19:44.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:19:46.504000+08:00","text":"整個過程你都聽到了，可不可以去研議……","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T09:19:46.504000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:19:48.686000+08:00","text":"一年時間……","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:19:48.686000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:19:49.867000+08:00","text":"不要去拆除他的設備？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:19:49.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:19:51.369000+08:00","text":"他們有監視器哦！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:19:52.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:20:08.563000+08:00","text":"有監視器去看他們使用的情形，未來的食物廢渣或者是我們仿效日本的廚餘飼料化，成為塊狀化，這也是要去攪拌、去蒸煮，它才會融化的，所以請再去研議，好不好？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T09:20:08.804000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:20:13.346000+08:00","text":"我們用一年的時間來跟業者商討，一年內來禁用廚餘。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:20:13.346000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:20:14.346000+08:00","text":"我知道你要讓他們轉型……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T09:20:13.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:20:14.567000+08:00","text":"這是業者大家討論出來的，這也是個趨勢。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:20:14.567000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:20:15.567000+08:00","text":"養豬戶已經提出來了……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T09:20:14.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:20:35.243000+08:00","text":"所以我們現在可以補助的儘量補助、可以輔導的就全面輔導，希望在明年就可以把共同蒸煮中心轉換成肥料循環利用的飼料中心，這就是我們的政策。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T09:20:35.664000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:20:36.024000+08:00","text":"那現在……","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:20:36.024000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:20:37.024000+08:00","text":"院長、部長，政策上我知道你們要防範萬一非洲豬瘟再發生……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T09:20:36.344000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:20:45.353000+08:00","text":"屏東的養豬場轉型得不錯，臺中跟桃園我們會全力再下去輔導。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T09:20:45.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:21:10.530000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，現在435場的廚餘養豬戶，有將近一半的頭數已經轉型了，特別是彰化以南的，幾乎都是用植物性的料源跟禽類下腳料，所以我想我們會針對桃園地區更加大力道去輔導他們，讓他們原來使用的植物部分，用場外的工具來處理。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:21:10.530000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:21:13.552000+08:00","text":"好，部長，你要講數據，我先講一下，你聽我講。","quality":0.176},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:21:13.552000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:21:39.763000+08:00","text":"全國有435家取得廚餘再利用許可的養豬場，有192家已經申請轉型為飼料養豬，另外243家則是安裝了蒸煮設備的監控系統，他們去載廚餘也有安裝GPS，在兩大前提之下，他可以緩衝在今年繼續用廚餘來養豬。是。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:21:39.763000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:21:56.883000+08:00","text":"所以，部長，我剛剛講的前提，你們都沒有用心去了解，他們今年增加的這些設備，就是為了可以繼續給豬吃熱食，所以有監視器、GPS，請你們去研議，好不好？","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:21:57.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:22:01.501000+08:00","text":"我再提去研議，不要在這邊拒絕，這是養豬戶提出來的。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T09:22:01.501000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:22:04.001000+08:00","text":"我想我們的政策非常清楚。","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:22:04.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:22:12.203000+08:00","text":"可以讓養豬戶的產業永續經營，黑毛豬是我們臺灣本土的產業，希望他們能夠繼續生存，事關他們生計的問題。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T09:22:12.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:22:21.765000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，我們一定會盡全力的協助養豬戶來做轉型，在轉型過程中一定會跟養豬戶找到一個最好的方法。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:22:22.581000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:22:28.129000+08:00","text":"好，請研議最好的方法，我希望養豬戶他們能夠度過這個轉型期。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:22:30.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:22:32.335000+08:00","text":"你們就繼續關心怎麼樣再去輔導。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T09:22:32.335000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:22:34.498000+08:00","text":"好的，這是政府跟業者要共同來努力度過的。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:22:34.838000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:23:08.572000+08:00","text":"既然你們要輔導他們，這最關鍵，今年是轉型期，現在已經3月底了，你們說要參照日本廚餘飼料化的經驗，可以朝向堆肥化、能源化跟飼料化轉型，而日本的廚餘有分類回收、瀝乾後粉碎、再來乾燥、去除雜質等四項工程，把廚餘加工之後成為塊狀作為飼料，請問這些設備做了嗎？","quality":0.901},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:23:08.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:23:09.172000+08:00","text":"規劃了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:23:09.172000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:23:09.773000+08:00","text":"什麼時候做好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T09:23:09.773000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:23:39.533000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，現在全臺灣原來的共同蒸煮中心只有一家，是苗栗的全順，目前有9家在申請，原來是希望變成共同蒸煮中心，我們現在正在跟他們談是不是可以轉型為循環飼料工廠，就是類似日本的EcoFeed所需相關的設備跟設施，如果他們願意做的話，政府會來協助來做共同的建置。","quality":0.042},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:23:39.533000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:23:39.733000+08:00","text":"你是說設備有了？是。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:23:41.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:23:42.576000+08:00","text":"有了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:23:42.576000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:23:43.356000+08:00","text":"什麼時候開始執行？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T09:23:44.257000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:23:47.220000+08:00","text":"沒有，我們現在正在跟他們談，就是剛才說的全順。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:23:47.220000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:23:50.262000+08:00","text":"你們要把短、中、長期計畫做出來啊！對。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:23:50.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:23:54.206000+08:00","text":"什麼時候可以提供第一線黑豬養豬戶使用？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T09:23:56.822000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:24:18.318000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，我們會優先來輔導苗栗的全順，我們的目標是大概在7、8月的時候就能夠提供真正的循環再利用飼料，那現在是透過畜試所的飼料配方改良，讓養豬的期間不需要到一年半，可能可以縮短到大概一年到九個月的時間。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:24:18.318000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:24:20.159000+08:00","text":"我知道，這會縮短。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T09:24:20.159000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:24:22.841000+08:00","text":"至於豬的品系，我們也會去做改良。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:24:23.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:24:37.365000+08:00","text":"所以，部長，今年緩衝期，明年全面禁止用廚餘，你現在要仿效日本的廚餘飼料化，我一直問你什麼時候可以給黑豬養豬戶使用？","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:24:37.905000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:24:39.166000+08:00","text":"你明年要全面禁止啦，你現在就要提供出來啊！","quality":0.368},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T09:24:39.606000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:24:43.027000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，黑豬不是只吃……","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:24:43.427000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:24:45.088000+08:00","text":"沒有期限的話，養豬戶怎麼去使用呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T09:24:45.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:24:53.651000+08:00","text":"土黑豬不是只有吃循環再利用的飼料，一般的飼料或飼料的改良配方都可以當作牠的飼料……","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:24:54.211000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:24:56.692000+08:00","text":"所以不要慢半拍，趕快做，好不好？","quality":0.385},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T09:24:57.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:25:00.393000+08:00","text":"我們已經努力在協助業者一起來做。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:25:00.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:25:03.975000+08:00","text":"所以這都有規劃，1家工廠夠嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T09:25:04.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:25:04.936000+08:00","text":"1家是不夠的。還有……","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T09:25:05.056000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:25:21.448000+08:00","text":"我們希望還有其他的，包括屏東地區、苗栗地區，我們也跟桃園市政府合作，在桃園市那邊是不是有相關的這些原來的環保公司，他可以來做這樣子的一個工廠，這個我們一直積極在處理。","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:25:21.548000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:25:30.486000+08:00","text":"本席在這邊為什麼要你趕快加強來做處理，因為現在都是事業廚餘才有大量的，家庭廚餘呢？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:25:31.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:25:31.986000+08:00","text":"家戶的廚餘呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:25:32.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:25:43.289000+08:00","text":"你叫他們瀝乾之後丟到垃圾裡面去，到時候是到焚化爐燒，焚化爐很容易出問題的，這都要分類，可是落實分類又有點困難，因為已經瀝乾了。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:25:43.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:25:51.251000+08:00","text":"所以對於這些，必須趕快把廚餘飼料化，才能解決廚餘的問題，也可以讓廚餘做循環經濟，好不好？","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T09:25:51.591000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:25:53.413000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員的關心，我想我們會努力。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:25:53.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:25:54.914000+08:00","text":"好，這個要加強，謝謝部長。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:25:54.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:26:11.610000+08:00","text":"接下來本席要請教的就是觀光產業，因為疫情之後，現在我們的觀光產業真的是非常非常低迷。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:26:12.651000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:26:30.214000+08:00","text":"據觀光署的資料顯示，2025年我們出國的人有1,894萬人，創了歷史新高，但相反地，來臺灣觀光的人的只有857萬人，這整個逆差將近有1,037萬人。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:26:30.755000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:27:00.859000+08:00","text":"如果我們用人均消費來看的話，消費抓大概4萬塊，他們大概創造觀光的產值是3,437億；出國的人消費我們抓5萬5,000元的話，大概是1兆500億，這樣子的觀光逆差大概就有7,000億，所以我們的因應措施是什麼？","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:27:00.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:27:09.044000+08:00","text":"尤其賴清德總統特別提到觀光國家隊，對於人才、對於產業、對於商品項目，你們輔導的情形如何？","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-17T09:27:13.669000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:27:22.055000+08:00","text":"先跟委員報告，您所關心的這個觀光議題，其實臺灣的觀光逆差從民國78年就開始，到現在差不多37年到38年的時間。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-17T09:27:22.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:27:38.587000+08:00","text":"因為臺灣是一個外貿型的國家，所以大家出國頻率、次數相當高；另外，臺灣的經濟狀況成長快速的時候，出國的人數也會增加，我們有看過三十幾年來的比例，看起來是只要經濟狀況好，出國的人數就會多。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-17T09:27:39.087000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:27:58.059000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，確實我們這幾年的觀光人數，連續3年到4年之間其實都是很穩定地在成長，前年成長了一百多萬人，我說的是國外來到臺灣的旅客，去年成長了差不多八、九十萬人，也是不少，那我們希望每一年都能夠穩定成長。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-17T09:27:58.059000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:27:59.320000+08:00","text":"不過有一個好的現象是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:28:00.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:28:03.982000+08:00","text":"部長，國人愛出國，而國外的觀光客又不進來……","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-17T09:28:03.982000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:28:04.982000+08:00","text":"有，跟委員報告，我剛剛有說……","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:28:03.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:28:07.244000+08:00","text":"這種情形我們要了解、要找出關鍵的原因。是。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:28:08.124000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:28:09.184000+08:00","text":"關鍵的原因是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:28:09.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:28:10.385000+08:00","text":"你可以找出來……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-17T09:28:10.385000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:28:11.385000+08:00","text":"我們臺灣的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:28:10.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:28:13.386000+08:00","text":"是不是我們的觀光景點不夠有特色……是……","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:28:14.146000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:28:22.531000+08:00","text":"或者是我們觀光景點特別的地方又重複性很高，這些也是問題，這都是要去突破的。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-17T09:28:22.531000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:28:23.531000+08:00","text":"委員您說的方向，都在檢討當中。","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:28:23.111000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:28:29.801000+08:00","text":"包括文化、人文底蘊這些，會有深度旅遊的部分，你們都要去創造出來……","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-17T09:28:29.801000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:28:30.801000+08:00","text":"是，沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:28:29.801000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:28:32.125000+08:00","text":"要有所改變，特色是很重要的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-17T09:28:32.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:28:37.012000+08:00","text":"是，深度旅遊也是我們目前正在推廣的，希望把遊程更深度化。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:28:37.012000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:28:38.012000+08:00","text":"要比較落實一點。","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:28:38.012000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:28:39.012000+08:00","text":"本席在這邊……對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T09:28:38.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:28:50.069000+08:00","text":"幾項具體的工作跟委員報告，我們今年一整年的中央政府總預算當中，要實現我們的施政計畫，就是發展觀光、推升觀光，我們要發展會展經濟、國際會議經濟、國際體育賽事跟演唱會。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T09:28:50.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:29:06.645000+08:00","text":"另外在南部的「北回之巔」以及「微笑南灣」，我們都有具體計畫；我們現在全力搶修花蓮太魯閣，讓它再度成為能夠引起觀光話題的一個地方。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T09:29:07.146000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:29:20.136000+08:00","text":"接著阿里山還有鐵道文化，另外我們也注重文化觀光，包括桃園鄧雨賢的紀念館、鍾肇政的文學生活館等等，把文化放進來。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:29:20.136000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:29:23.879000+08:00","text":"好，都有在做，但是要加強。好。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:29:23.879000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:29:26.841000+08:00","text":"我們不管怎麼做，就是要讓觀光客進來，好不好？是。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:29:27.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:29:39.071000+08:00","text":"因為臺灣人又愛出國，但關鍵的原因，你們沒有發現到一個問題，這是產業跟我講的，還有所有民眾的反映、最有感覺的反映就是住宿費，住宿費太高了。","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:29:39.865000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:30:07.337000+08:00","text":"你看從疫情到現在，我們的住宿費調高了將近20%，這部分我們也知道你們有努力鼓勵國人平日去旅遊，說是可以補助一千、兩千，這項措施目前還沒有公告，所以你們還是要趕快去推動，但是這樣會不會又讓旅宿業者變相加價？","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:30:07.337000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:30:08.277000+08:00","text":"這些都要去關心。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:30:09.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:30:15.842000+08:00","text":"最重要的是，我們希望政府對旅宿業做一個評定、審核，給他們一個標準。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:30:16.082000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:30:16.282000+08:00","text":"為什麼這麼說呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:30:16.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:30:33.856000+08:00","text":"因為他們要把制定住房費的標準送給觀光局、觀光署備查，也就是說，對於普通房、高級房等住宿費的收費標準，你們是採備查制。","quality":0.558},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:30:34.776000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:30:54.710000+08:00","text":"備查制在管理方面比較沒有權力去控管，所以就像剛剛院長講的，他們會在假日或者是有活動的時候，把原來5,000元的住宿費變成1萬元或2萬元，出現這種情形的時候，你們反而不能去約束它，因為只是備查而已。","quality":0.682},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:30:55.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:31:03.996000+08:00","text":"請問你們有沒有要做修正或者是研議對這方面加強管理，讓我們旅宿業的住宿費價格能夠有個標準性的審核？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-17T09:31:05.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:31:14.244000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，我們在疫情的時候房價非常便宜，那是因為疫情期間需求比較低，這幾年他們確實有開始調回來，所以大家感受上會比較高。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-17T09:31:14.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:31:21.650000+08:00","text":"去年整體房價成長的比例只有0.8%左右，所以其實成長的比例並不高。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-17T09:31:22.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:31:31.216000+08:00","text":"我們現在也在努力協助業者把成本儘量降低，包含人力部分和其他成本，我們儘量協助他們降低，看房價能不能降低。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-17T09:31:31.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T09:31:42.303000+08:00","text":"此外，我們有請觀光署在網路上成立一個平價旅宿專頁，總共整理了2,000家有優惠的旅宿，另外還有一些平價的旅宿，我們提供給一般的旅客，如果想要選便宜的……這個我們會努力來做。","quality":0.622},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:31:42.303000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:31:46.646000+08:00","text":"好，你有去做！","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-17T09:31:46.646000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T09:31:50.989000+08:00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