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治安安全以及試讀中國大陸跟兩岸關係避免受到這些假訊息的影響"},{"start":921.26,"end":927.084,"text":"台灣要建立自己的民主防衛機制讓社會更有韌性我們才能阻擋"},{"start":952.452,"end":956.553,"text":"好 謝謝謝謝林委員 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