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這個議題還是要請院長那個會後能夠跟請這個內政部跟人民會還是要法律既然制定了而且這個制定的時候"},{"start":910.814,"end":938.667,"text":"民進黨在立法院是多數是支持的所以這個部分請趕快來去處理這個部長請回座接下來原住民族綜合發展基金這個很重要如果有這個基金如果能夠維持這個基金剛才講的那些問題經費來源都不是問題"},{"start":940.919,"end":969.378,"text":"好我們看原住民族基本法第18條規定要設原住民族綜合發展基金早期叫經濟事業發展基金是我在台灣省政府擔任原住民行政局副局長的時候應省議員的要求開始設了這個基金當初的目標就是100億精神之後立法委員繼續督促園民會要設這個"},{"start":971.488,"end":995.501,"text":"所以原住民族綜合發展基金曾經高達結算數是多少呢117億7千多萬億然後因為違法挪用了中央政府違法挪用作為禁法補償之用總共違法挪用到53億多將近54億"},{"start":1000.007,"end":1028.136,"text":"將近54億在這樣的一個情形之下這個結算數113年已經是累積短數68億8千多萬在這個我們立法院在第九屆第二會期第九屆第二會期做了一個結議當時民進黨在立法院是絕對多數也同意也支持這個提案"},{"start":1029.366,"end":1048.724,"text":"原住民族綜合發展基金這個用在禁法補償是有違預算法及延期法而且這個決議特別提到以行政院應發款應發款這被挪用的53億將近54億這個經費如果能夠有的話"},{"start":1054.869,"end":1079.328,"text":"剛講的等一下我會接機包括後面我要講的包括住宅這新辦就有這個經費來去支應所以這個部分這個院長因為這個部分不是延民會所可以決定的預算的編列要不要增加這個公務預算來去撥補"},{"start":1081.629,"end":1098.24,"text":"這個基金是行政院的前者院長是不是可以依立法院的決議發還被挪用的54億左右的經費我記得鄭委員在過去也提過這個問題"},{"start":1105.236,"end":1126.061,"text":"那當初我們說這個綜合發展基金的用途如何目前有沒有發生在財務使用上的一些急迫性需求請園民會來說先做說那個這個園民會的曾志偉他已經跟我說明過很多次了事實上真的是沒有這個經費"},{"start":1128.447,"end":1148.901,"text":"在運用上是真的是差很多會逐年把這個經費會補過只是說沒有辦法一下子補這麼多了會逐年都有就是說還給我們那就要請這個主委多多多多的向院長跟主計長來報告來拜託"},{"start":1153.274,"end":1182.641,"text":"多撥補一點會多撥補一點對法定的基金我認為一定先維持在用途上不發生困難第二我們看國家的財政狀況如何逐年來達到法定基金的法定條件有這個基金剛講的專屬原住民族的社會住宅就會有很大的幫助我剛要講為什麼住宅法會這樣子定"},{"start":1183.208,"end":1201.966,"text":"他的除了一般的安基之外最重要的就是为了教育为了教育我说个故事我刚提到了租屋补助是怎么来的是因为"},{"start":1202.796,"end":1231.839,"text":"我常常在度會期拜訪我們的鄉親我從省府一直到中央服務的時候去拜訪我們的鄉親我們的鄉親因為沒有辦法租適當的房子就租一小間一家大大小小住在一起就一間晚上父母親在那邊看電視孩子在"},{"start":1232.486,"end":1260.917,"text":"住在旁边做功课还真的做功课吗一直看电视一直听电视对教育已经到都会期了我们过去讲原住民族教育的问题过去在偏乡是因为相关的这些资源有限已经到都会期了结果仍然没有办法提升原住民族的教育所以我才会提出租屋布助"},{"start":1262.901,"end":1280.986,"text":"租屋補助是這樣來的當初跟這個當時的經濟經建會當時叫經建會審查的時候做了說明也跟行政院做了說明之後很快就通過了有這個租屋補助是這樣是跟教育"},{"start":1282.449,"end":1309.598,"text":"現在的話就跟以炎無患都能夠所以能夠有這個基金可以做很多事情而不是說主委我們不要這個說我現在能做多少就好我們要有更好的何況法律已經明定專屬的這個原住民的社會住宅會也會包括到下面原住民保留地的貸款"},{"start":1311.001,"end":1335.9,"text":"你看我們這個貸款當然要謝謝主委積極的去協調相關的機關銀行信用保證作業要點定出來了現在開始實施了但是如果我們以跟其他的房貸的利率比較的話借款人 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原住民自治及屠海法"},{"start":1515.262,"end":1542.879,"text":"這個上一次質詢卓院長的時候在去年的10月31號質詢卓院長請行政院遵守中華民國的憲法 正修條文然後陳水扁總統以延續民主陳水扁總統代表中華民國政府以延續民主簽訂的協定也就是條約然後延續民主基本法然後蔡總統"},{"start":1544.458,"end":1564.133,"text":"向原住民族的承諾就是加快腳步將原住民族自治法及土海法送到立法院來審議行政院也曾經在105年承諾在105年的12月底以前會將土海法送到立法院"},{"start":1565.526,"end":1578.841,"text":"上次質詢的時候特別請院長在12月以前提出這兩個草案而現在這兩個草案都沒有當然諸位院長還會說以前送來都幾進幾出"},{"start":1583.568,"end":1606.134,"text":"這個不能成為一個因為我上次有講上次送的都很晚都已經立法院要會期快要到了才送來曾經有一次真正在立法院有審查我先談"},{"start":1607.779,"end":1632.981,"text":"在110年3月12號我質詢朱正昌前院長的時候他說我會分流立法分流立法我現在給院長給政務委員可以請指派政務委員來去研議跟相關部會行政院曾經在103年12月18號送了原住民主自治的暫行條例"},{"start":1635.103,"end":1663.412,"text":"會有這個暫行條例是當時的考試院院長當時的考試院院長名字一下子講不起來這個他跟這個姚家文考試院院長他跟當時的孫大川擔任主任委員的時候所提的建議"},{"start":1664.892,"end":1682.673,"text":"他給的建議是什麼呢?原住民族要自治可以,但是不要影響到相關,尤其是花蓮台東的縣,不要造成廢縣。所以他提出了像國家公園區域的概念。"},{"start":1684.148,"end":1710.521,"text":"國家公園這樣的一個區域所以行政院 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