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我想就是說一個新的一個契機我們當然知道貿易的一個談判其實這是屬於非常的機密所以說事前我們也不能洩漏的太多可是這個有很大的一個困難存在那在這麼多的一個困難裡頭我們不能把底線洩漏出來"},{"start":241.833,"end":270.483,"text":"可是如果像目前為止我們看到了這個15%的一個關稅我們其實是擔心的因為擔心什麼擔心就是說台灣的農業的一個競爭他其實面臨到一個轉型上的一個困難那這個困難該怎麼辦那我想在這裡請教部長就是說針對的就是說在這一次蝴蝶蘭還有就是我們的茶葉那用什麼樣"},{"start":272.353,"end":285.365,"text":"現在應該談完了是不是可以講就是說下一個下一個我們在農業談判的一個國家到底是哪一個國家會是日本嗎我想知道"},{"start":287.104,"end":309.974,"text":"我跟第一個跟委員報告就是說台美的對等關稅談判我們有一個階段就是ART的這個階段那現在美方正在確認它的一個相關的這些法律本身的一個條文的適合性那我們不會針對這個部分去把它推翻因為我剛才說了它是一個新的契機而且是一個很好的一個結果"},{"start":310.954,"end":334.67,"text":"那第二個部分就是說現在目前的10家MFM本身是對美國對全球性的所以我們的立足點是平等的那立足點平等對台灣也是有利的那以本來的32%或20%的時候那荷蘭以蝴蝶蘭講荷蘭是我們的對手他只有15%我們20%反而是沒有利的所以比起去年"},{"start":335.35,"end":360.299,"text":"今年現在臨時性的10家MFN其實是對台灣有利的那第三個部分就是除了美國市場以外我們還會持續的開拓其他的市場那開拓其他的市場的關稅的談判就沒有像台美之間用整體信訊台可能是一項一項談我跟你講這樣的一個用蝴蝶蘭的一個比較說法荷蘭20%然後台灣15%這個我聽不下去因為台灣本來是0的"},{"start":364.96,"end":382.337,"text":"所以就是说在这一次的谈判过程因为我们无一幸免当然就是说在谈判的过程里头是非常好的可是在所有的蝴蝶兰的产业里头我们怎么样去补贴它这个是我们真正的要面临到的一个问题"},{"start":383.098,"end":408.286,"text":"然後我們必須要非常具體的去回復這些廠商因為你知道在整個這個蝴蝶蘭的一個產業裡頭它面臨到了一個非常大非常大的一個困難因為我們沒有拿出一個具體的方法來所以相對的我現在也是要再跟院長就是再做一個請教就是說我們是不是有積極進行就是"},{"start":408.966,"end":436.419,"text":"爭取進入到那個CPTTP的這一個自由貿易的組織裡頭如果是有的話其實我也是擔心的為什麼這個對於我們台灣的一個農業它變成就是說我們是很大的一個負擔因為我們出口的少進口的多那我的米我的稻米呢我的稻米在日本跟越南米他們不斷的精進的過程裡頭我們拿什麼去跟人家競爭"},{"start":437.543,"end":463.776,"text":"拿什麼去跟人家見證這個是非常重要的還有我們最大的困難在哪裡我們的虱目魚我們的養殖儀類這個是日本的一個強項萬一我們很積極的我們的談判的一個對手國跟我們要求就是我們也要適當的一個開放的時候那我們要開放什麼產業這個都是一個我們非常需要就是好好的去思維的一個議題"},{"start":465.097,"end":488.898,"text":"那還有就是說 西木葉的衝擊是最大 其實我們的豬 院長我比較不擔心因為我們台灣豬 他那個肉乾是進口的豬 沒有辦法取代的可是相對的我們的雞啦 我們的雞其實這個也是一個很嚴重的一個問題還有我們的公糧制度 我們可能會被迫要去調整那我們有沒有準備好"},{"start":489.349,"end":496.687,"text":"那這個是一個我想就是要在這個過程裡頭跟大家做不斷的一個提醒"},{"start":497.363,"end":526.733,"text":"好 各位先做兩段的報告第一個是原來在談判過程當中在ART的內容我們爭取到與副院長的談判團隊爭取到美國是用IPA的這個條文給我們專屬的豁免包括蝴蝶男在內專屬豁免那現在因為經過美國最高法院的判決這個被推翻掉美國正在尋找其他的法律途徑所以他用新的122的這個條款所以這個專屬豁免就被取消掉了"},{"start":527.293,"end":543.272,"text":"所以剛剛就是委員所說的本來是0現在變成10%在競爭力上比過去還不好所以現在我們跟美國談判最重要的原則就是我們希望極力爭取那麼也聽到美國有善意的回應我們能夠以原來的ART所談的內容"},{"start":544.614,"end":572.084,"text":"所得到的這種相對的最佳的一些待遇我們作為未來再繼續後續在美國調整法律途徑以及後續其他法律調查的基礎希望維持在R的這個最有利的地位上面那這個我們雙方都有相當的默契當然要辛苦努力那我們正在朝這個方向來進行好 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部長跟院長做一個探討就是說轉型跟退場的機制有沒有辦法變形我們參考荷蘭跟德國國外的這一些資料裡頭尤其荷蘭是在歐洲畜牧 畜牧密度最高的一個地方那他們其實通常是用什麼樣的一個方式你看到他們的一個預算也是跟我們農業部的預算差不多"},{"start":750.874,"end":774.467,"text":"大概都是1800億可是在這個荷蘭他的離幕他有編了一個大概超過63億台幣的一個定期的一個預算預算就是說我要讓這些畜牧產業還是小規模的畜牧產業這些老農可以是以一個有尊嚴的退場"},{"start":775.307,"end":796.713,"text":"那我想說這個是非常重要的就是也跟那個院長做一個提醒不要是每一次每一次我們的離幕政策都是一個重大事件不管是87年那個我們的口蹄疫發生還是我們97年97年的時候澎湖縣政府因為我們為了要把它"},{"start":797.313,"end":816.659,"text":"那個發展為就是觀光跟虎島的一個有機的一個地方所以我們讓他整個就是養豬的產業畜牧的產業整個離開我想是不是應該就是說時代的變遷小型的牧場跟老龍沒有辦法符合現行的一個產業能量的時候"},{"start":817.399,"end":841.334,"text":"成本沒有辦法再增加而不是出事了在胡搗這個是也是跟那個院長做一個那個提醒這個是我們期待的還有針對的就是AI產業那個部長你請回我想邀請那個國科會跟那個經濟部部長針對的就是大南方大南方那個新矽谷的這一個計畫"},{"start":843.215,"end":866.283,"text":"那個院長做一個探討就是說如果我們用這個AI教父黃仁興在今年一頁在達沃斯的一個世界經濟的論壇裡頭他提出了就是說把AI的一個產業分成就是一個五成的蛋糕最上層的這個應用層其實就是我的機器人產業最重要最重要的一個實現的一個場域"},{"start":868.171,"end":893.507,"text":"那我在這裡要跟院長做一個報告到目前為止我的六甲產業園區機器人產業園區看不到人也看不到錢所有的都移到了就是我們的那個砂輪所以這個是不是可以請那個國科會主委回答我為什麼問題會是這個樣子喊了這麼久了結果沒人沒錢結果又選團這麼好"},{"start":897.302,"end":913.415,"text":"六甲已經啟動了現在公園院人人已經在聽家當中但是我們的那個新的計畫機器人的計畫今年啟動但我們也希望說立法院趕快省這個預算讓我們的新的這個機器人的方案能夠盡快推動"},{"start":914.096,"end":928.052,"text":"好 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