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我是不是請部長來回應一下也讓院長可以知道這個可行性"},{"start":322.54,"end":338.377,"text":"應該是可以照這個方向來走吧謝謝委員的肯定那的確我們從這個以日傾雲流亭從1月2月數據來看的話確實成效是很不錯的那男性申請的比例也大幅的增加"},{"start":339.238,"end":356.594,"text":"那過去之所以會是在三歲以內其實一個原因是因為我們的法規要求願留人家在三歲所以確實在這個成效很好的結果出來以後我們也聽到蠻多三到六歲的這個家長來反映那三到六歲其實也有很有這樣的需求"},{"start":357.495,"end":375.201,"text":"那所以我們的確也是在現在0到3歲的經驗之下因為蠻多企業也願意支持所以我在這邊可以跟委員說也謝謝委員的提醒那我想我們是願意來研議跟草擬來把這個單日申請育嬰留庭的這樣子的彈性的措施來提到"},{"start":376.361,"end":392.638,"text":"這個至少6歲我想我們願意來做這樣的草擬那的確這個做法其實也需要一些相關的配套那我們也會要來綜合其實目前這段時間很多爸爸媽媽申請的一些經驗那我自己是希望說如果"},{"start":393.399,"end":418.975,"text":"看能不能在下半年來把這樣子的修法的草案來提出因為如果要到拉高到60歲以上的話那這其實是會需要相關的法規需要來修訂的好 院長有聽到部長講的啦剛剛院長的顧忌的幾個面向嘛那最起碼有一個面向企業很多是可以支持的那我們就可以朝這個方向來走院長可以答應來 儘早來做研議吧"},{"start":419.836,"end":447.33,"text":"應該是可以吧因為這個政策的實施勞動部還是跟企業端做了相當多的溝通也了解勞工的意願我們也編了一併的預算獎勵金在支持企業讓企業能夠樂於勞工來行使這樣的一個權利或是這樣的一個請假的制度所以我們如果延伸的話第一個是法律上第二個是面對這三角關係企業端勞工以及他未來可能找到職務代理人"},{"start":447.85,"end":471.526,"text":"那我們可不可以有更充裕的經費來支持這個都要我們再來考量對啦 我主要是說這樣的一個政策基本上它是有效益的它是有意義的那是不是可以馬上院長在這個當下可以答應我就是進入研議然後是不是下半年我們就可以來實施就這樣而已嘛對 我們會全面來檢視目前實施的成效研議如何讓它更優化OK 好 謝謝院長 謝謝部長部長請回"},{"start":475.011,"end":497.641,"text":"我第二件事情要跟院長特別提到這件事情菜價、蒜價我從蒜價先提起去雲林縣是雲林縣大蒜種植面積最大的縣市產量也是最多的我在這邊有看到農糧署有份資料還特別的在"},{"start":498.379,"end":522.238,"text":"在做這樣的一個宣導榮亮市表示目前大蒜這是3月12號的部長也看一下目前大蒜已經陸續採收上市因氣候平順晴朗有力蒜瓣充實發育整體品質優良蒜香濃郁辛辣鮮明喜愛國產蒜頭獨特風味之消費者可以把握當令時節踴躍雪垢"},{"start":525.12,"end":550.429,"text":"然後也請農友採收室妥善辦理施算乾燥作業農友採收妥善辦理施算乾燥作業這是第一項那第二項,我們所表示國產大蒜已經在115年3月上旬陸續採收3月下旬進入的盛產期本年預估採收面積五五萬"},{"start":552.031,"end":561.418,"text":"5,470公頃,然後較合理的生產面積是5,300公頃,增約4%這是農糧數的資料我剛才跟議長看了一下,你們可能懷疑我們的資料我們今年所剩的面積就是5萬4千萬5萬5千3百多公頃沒有"},{"start":580.612,"end":593.934,"text":"一百十四年是五萬五千五百三十四公頃的款對所以我們一百十五對照一百十四給五百公頃給五百公頃三年五萬四千七百幾公頓對照一百十四年四萬七千公頓所以基重金要到那是多少?要到"},{"start":610.831,"end":634.979,"text":"六千八百公噸六千八百公噸,你再花公斤,再花台幣,要一萬一千台幣啦所以介紹,也許崩壞啦介紹也不好嘛,我相信你都聽到這些消息啦好,介紹不好,都要補免要做處理,平時免得做處理我卡車問題一定要一定處理,這個時間倒不是靜靠一直進來"},{"start":638.002,"end":663.142,"text":"進口的量,到現在不知道,統計有多少量但是這幾天,還有200萬我們每天都在補,跟關稅宗教不搭調不搭調,以前沒打勁,又打不熄有一款進口船,甘投的就對了以白咱台灣,這也造成防疫上的破口啊這個絕對造成防疫破口然後114年度,院長可以再看一下114年度進口進來,一萬九千多噸"},{"start":667.683,"end":680.815,"text":"對照1.3,因為我現在沒有1.5,對照1.3一萬三千多噸,又多了六千多噸六千多噸,發動的台金,又一萬一千多噸,一萬一千台金就對了所以,特別是想修本土申請,接下來就補來,進口來衝擊"},{"start":690.011,"end":696.673,"text":"這麼高的農民,你愛去賺錢,我快要去韓國打就對了多少農民,有辦法處理這件事所以農民怕,農民煩惱啊白癱瀨在國際衛生他影響的是他的信仰,他的公式,是大人跟社群的問題但是整個的産業,加這麼多,不是加4%加這麼多那一天"},{"start":719.909,"end":739.54,"text":"部長到日本去,我有聽到市長在這邊打選,很好就是要來面對怎樣嘛,不可以給他7塊27塊的金額是什麼?是10億錢的金額?還是什麼的金額?為什麼要給他7塊?地料、台幣、肥料,到現在民進黨之前議員有講這個台幣、肥料,什麼東西都去呢?農業都去,人工都去,沒錢沒去就對了"},{"start":749.244,"end":758.269,"text":"那為什麼你說要7塊?為什麼你說要8塊?為什麼你說要9塊?為什麼你不說要30塊?為什麼?為什麼要給錢靠的?在這個時間,就像明察說的噴頭船現在在採收為什麼要給錢靠的?他賣這麼多"},{"start":768.39,"end":789.945,"text":"他知不知道?他知不知道?要怎麼處理?我跟委員報告一下第一點就是說,我們今年的面積有增加我們的三農也有增加,不過我們今年在修行的時候有一些病害的部分所以產量又下修了一點這第一個,但是三農是提供,這是事實第二點就是說,感謝委員針對這個蒜頭本身的產業的分析非常透徹啦我跟你報告就是說"},{"start":795.765,"end":813.911,"text":"我們不會保駕收購這是我的立場就是我們不會去啟動任何的一個保駕收購因為保駕收購是讓台灣農業退步的一個象徵但是我們一定會確保農民的收益你剛才說的說你七波你八高你九高三十高我們要怎麼去處理第一點就是說"},{"start":814.651,"end":836.339,"text":"我們要確認這個希望去穩定的這個價格一定不能比進口價還高因為你如果比進口多你又鼓勵進口又更多了所以我們會精算以現在來說我們工程對美國進來是一千三百塊美金換算成我們的私算大概是28.6塊大概是28.6塊所以28.6塊"},{"start":841.621,"end":867.361,"text":"應該是一個參考的一個價格在那邊但是我剛才說的我不用保價的時候我又希望說我們去協助一些這些合作的市場去收購的時候他又不是收了以後馬上釋放出市場因為他媽想放去市場不好嘛 那就不好因為我時間出一分鐘啦所以你是將來嘛你將來這個當面團體將來這裡都蓋什麼我們配合你政府嘛"},{"start":869.463,"end":885.501,"text":"但是你要立即啟動嘛,馬上來做嘛,我們不要拖累你只要你有動作,穩定、解決,這原本就是政府的責任參考調整,也是我們政府向他補改做的事情嘛所以今天,今天開會結束後,我希望你可以立即馬上來做這件事"},{"start":888.209,"end":909.499,"text":"這絕對同意 廖議員我明天就會來處理這個事情不是說要確保我們農民的收益後期我們也希望這個蒜頭不是說修理完以後不要再綁一支像委員說的我們後面也要做一些冰存、凍存的部分來協助讓它的蒜頭慢慢的綁一支這樣介紹才會穩定"},{"start":911.82,"end":920.006,"text":"如果有更多人來討債金 房租也有討債金雖然沒有要10%啦 雖然我們身分再加10% 20% 30% 其實是會過的我們會在交代嘛 對不對 不打緊 請保安先給我們比較的處理請你看 棉菜 雞蛋"},{"start":934.142,"end":949.581,"text":"為什麼不趕快啟動標準,然後啟動一定價值的機制?不知道這可以做到嗎?我剛才有問過,就是像蒜蓉花生這一類型,我們會介紹,但是因為蔬菜,等於是短期液態,一定在一天內就沒問題"},{"start":951.67,"end":973.419,"text":"但是因為一輪的時候我們會讓資訊更多 通訊欄再跟委員來做不是 我們很多產銷小姐其實我們有很多穩定的在市場的時候我們就給你架過來讓他們合理的對 我拜託院長特別重視這件事情好不好然後部長可能就是今天就是密集行動"},{"start":985.269,"end":995.498,"text":"好 謝謝劉建國委員質詢謝謝 左院長 相關部會司長 貝琴 謝謝我們休息十分鐘謝謝我們柯政委員 林倩琪委員以及林黛華委員陪同我們一起"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:32:52.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:32:52.779000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:32:53.259000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:32:55.240000+08:00","text":"有請卓院長還有勞動部洪部長。","quality":0.385},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-17T15:32:55.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:32:56.661000+08:00","text":"麻煩再請卓院長備詢，交通部……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:32:56.661000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:32:58.562000+08:00","text":"是勞動部洪部長。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:33:05.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:33:08.566000+08:00","text":"一定會請交通部，稍安勿躁，謝謝。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T15:33:08.566000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T15:33:11.128000+08:00","text":"劉委員好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:33:11.128000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:33:13.589000+08:00","text":"院長辛苦了，也跟院長加油！","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:33:14.309000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:33:27.939000+08:00","text":"成功的一趟外交運動之旅，讓大家非常地肯定跟欣喜若狂，不過你這幾天特別地辛苦。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T15:33:28.099000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:33:32.643000+08:00","text":"高興的是那一場球賽贏了，大家都很高興！","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:33:33.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:33:37.828000+08:00","text":"是啊、對啊，既然外交運動都有所斬獲，那我們就要回到內政了。","quality":0.76},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:33:38.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:33:45.275000+08:00","text":"我早上有聽到院長特別提到中選會會再提名三席委員，人選有確定了嗎？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T15:33:48.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:34:00.963000+08:00","text":"我是希望我們再提名出來的人都能夠經過立法院的同意，要維持過去那種大家互相合作的誠信，至於人選，我們會再重新做各方的考量。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:34:01.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:34:02.884000+08:00","text":"OK，所以人選還未確定？是。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:34:04.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:34:05.165000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:34:05.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:34:10.808000+08:00","text":"現在中選會問完之後，我們來討論洪部長跟院長的德政。","quality":0.696},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:34:13.559000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:35:12.616000+08:00","text":"也是在這個質詢臺我曾經問過院長，臺灣孩兒的出生率一直持續在下降中，我記得院長曾經跟我說，113年應該不會跌破13萬大關，不過去年只剩下十萬出，今年有媒體已經非常悲觀地在看待，因為我們有2月創下單月跌至七千人以下的紀錄，所以可能今年會跌破10萬，這個真的我們要趕快想盡辦法看如何來因應，我想這些令人擔憂的數據，部長、院長可以看一下，我們也必須從這個角度去思考，還能有怎樣的相關辦法跟配套措施可以讓出生率再往上提升。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:35:13.317000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:35:37.403000+08:00","text":"我在這邊有看到一個還滿不錯的方法，也就是院長跟部長的德政，育嬰假過去必須請一個月，你們改為可以放寬到以一日為申請單位，也因此近兩個月男性申請的比例比過去全年的27.8%大幅增加到44.3%，增加16.5個百分點，同時女性的申請也從72.2%減少為55.6%，少了將近16.6%，差不多啦！","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:35:50.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:36:06.832000+08:00","text":"男性的增加跟女性的降低基本上是打平，也明顯顯示出家庭分擔的效果，照顧孩子的壓力不會全壓在女性身上。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:36:08.812000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:36:31.965000+08:00","text":"這個是現代社會中非常有指標意義的一件事情，既然這個方向是正確的，這樣的指標有顯著意義存在的情況之下，原本育嬰假的適用條件為子女未滿三歲，我們能不能把這樣的range再擴大？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:36:33.246000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:36:39.129000+08:00","text":"即我們從一個月放寬到可以以一日為單位申請，現在未滿三歲能不能提高到六歲？","quality":0.676},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:36:39.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:36:50.671000+08:00","text":"我這麼講是有所本，因為很多政策都是零到六歲，或是零到二歲、三到六歲，很少到未滿三歲。","quality":0.811},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:36:50.671000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:37:12.326000+08:00","text":"如果這是一個德政，這樣的方向可以減少更多女性照顧兒童的壓力，提高到三歲的這個range……因為幼稚園可能會停課、停班，會產生種種的突發狀況，如果可以提高到六歲，我不曉得院長怎麼看待這件事情？","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:37:12.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:37:14.633000+08:00","text":"能不能來做相關的研議？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T15:37:15.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:37:28.846000+08:00","text":"很感謝委員肯定這個政策的推動，它也真的符合了一些年輕爸爸媽媽的需求，我們不希望把家庭照顧或者小孩的照顧落在單一性別身上，所以才有平均化。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T15:37:29.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:38:01.244000+08:00","text":"當初勞動部提出這個政策，有經過各方的分析、考量跟很多數據的整理，所以提出第一個階段，現在是從零到三歲；至於要不要把它放大，我們還要再觀察，因為這個牽扯到企業主、勞工還有代理人多方面的三角關係，我們能不能全面提供到整個……尤其是比較小型的企業單位，更有在人力調配上的需求，這個部分還請勞動部繼續再研究。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:38:02.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:38:03.324000+08:00","text":"是不是請部長來回應一下？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:38:03.804000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:38:09.042000+08:00","text":"也讓院長可以知道可行性，應該是可以照這個方向來走吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-03-17T15:38:10.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:38:23.357000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的肯定，的確，我們從以日請育嬰留停1月、2月的數據來看，確實成效很不錯，男性申請的比例也大幅增加。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-03-17T15:38:25.059000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:38:47.277000+08:00","text":"過去之所以會是在三歲以內，其實有一個原因是因為法規要求育嬰留停要在三歲，確實在這個成效很好的結果出來以後，我們也聽到蠻多三到六歲的家長來反映，三到六歲也很有這樣的需求，所以我們的確也是在現在零到三歲的經驗之下，因為蠻多企業也願意支持。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-03-17T15:38:48.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:39:05.326000+08:00","text":"我在這邊可以跟委員說，也謝謝委員提醒，我們願意來研議跟草擬，把單日申請育嬰留停這樣的彈性措施提到至少六歲，我們願意來做這樣的草擬。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-03-17T15:39:05.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:39:29.446000+08:00","text":"的確，這個做法也需要一些相關配套，我們也會綜合目前這段時間很多爸爸媽媽申請的一些經驗，我自己是希望看能不能下半年把這樣的修法草案提出，因為如果要拉高到六歲以上，其實需要修訂相關法規。","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:39:31.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:39:43.955000+08:00","text":"院長有聽到部長講的，剛剛院長顧忌的有幾個面向，最起碼有一個面向是很多企業可以支持，我們就可以朝這個方向來走，院長可以答應儘早來研議吧？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:39:44.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:39:45.136000+08:00","text":"應該是可以吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T15:39:45.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:39:53.420000+08:00","text":"因為這個政策的實施，勞動部還是跟企業端做了相當多的溝通，也了解勞工的意願。對。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T15:39:53.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:39:55.381000+08:00","text":"我們也編了一筆預算……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-03-17T15:39:57.302000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:39:57.302000+08:00","text":"獎勵金。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T15:39:57.863000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:40:15.272000+08:00","text":"獎勵金來支持企業，讓企業能夠樂於讓勞工來行使這樣一個權利或這樣一個請假的制度，所以我們如果要延伸的話：第一個是在法律上；第二個是面對這三角關係，也就是企業端、勞工以及他未來能否找到職務代理人，我們可不可以有更充裕的經費來支持？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T15:40:15.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:40:16.312000+08:00","text":"這個要多方面再來考量。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:40:16.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:40:27.720000+08:00","text":"對啦，我主要是說這樣的政策基本上它是有效益的、它是有意義的，院長是不是可以馬上在這個當下答應我進入研議？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:40:27.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:40:29.881000+08:00","text":"然後是不是下半年我們就可以來實施？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:40:30.122000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:40:30.542000+08:00","text":"就這樣而已嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:40:30.542000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T15:40:31.542000+08:00","text":"可以吧？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T15:40:30.882000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:40:35.565000+08:00","text":"對，我們會全面來檢視目前實施的成效，研議如何來讓它更優化。OK！","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:40:35.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:40:36.506000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，謝謝院長、謝謝部長，好，部長請回。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:40:40.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:41:27.218000+08:00","text":"我第二件要跟院長特別提到的這件事情是有關菜價、蒜價，我從蒜價先提起，雲林縣是大蒜種植面積最大的一個縣市，產量也是最多的，我在這邊有看到農糧署有份資料，還特別做這樣一個宣導，這是3月12號的，部長也看一下，「農糧署表示，目前大蒜已陸續採收上市，因氣候平順晴朗，有利蒜瓣充實發育，整體品質優良，蒜香濃郁、辛辣鮮明，喜愛國產蒜頭獨特風味之消費者，可把握當令時節踴躍選購。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:41:31.361000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:41:42.964000+08:00","text":"另籲請農友於採收後妥善辦理濕蒜乾燥作業」這是第一項。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:41:43.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:42:05.217000+08:00","text":"第二項是「農糧署說明，國產大蒜已於本（115）年3月上旬陸續採收，3月下旬進入盛產期，本年預估採收面積5,547公頃，較合理生產面積5,300公頃，增約4%」，這是農糧署的資料，請部長跟院長看一下，你們還有另外一份資料，我們今年所種植的面積就是五萬四千多……","quality":0.74},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T15:42:05.378000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:42:06.238000+08:00","text":"五萬五千三百多公頃……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:42:06.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:42:26.712000+08:00","text":"沒有，不只，114年是五萬出頭，不是啦，是5,547公頃。","quality":0.353},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T15:42:30.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:42:30.893000+08:00","text":"5,534公頃的樣子。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:42:31.073000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:43:11.636000+08:00","text":"對，所以我們把115年對照114年多500公頃，產量五萬四千七百多公噸，對照114年4萬7,000公噸，所以將近多了6,800公噸，6,800公噸換算成公斤，再換算成臺斤，多了1萬1,000臺斤，所以價格馬上跌下來，價格會不好，我相信你都得到這些消息了。","quality":0.558},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:43:13.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:43:14.957000+08:00","text":"關於價格不好，農業部要怎麼處理？","quality":0.357},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:43:14.957000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T15:43:17.738000+08:00","text":"行政院要怎麼處理？","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:43:17.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:43:43.819000+08:00","text":"還有一個問題一定要院長處理，這個時間時常有進口的部分一直進來，進口量到現在沒辦法統計有多少量，但是這幾天還有再進來，農業部跟關務署常常不搭調，這還不打緊，又常常有帶土的進口蒜頭進來我們臺灣，這也造成防疫上的破口，這個絕對造成防疫破口。","quality":0.62},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:43:44.399000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:44:03.133000+08:00","text":"然後院長可以再看一下，114年度進口有一萬九千多噸，對照113年，因為我現在沒有115年的資料，對照113年一萬三千多噸，又多了六千多噸，六千多噸換成臺斤又是1萬1,000臺斤。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:44:04.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:44:16.451000+08:00","text":"所以每次本土蒜收成的時候，價格就跌下來，進口的又來衝擊，你們鼓勵農民把濕蒜趕緊烘乾，但多少農民有辦法處理這種事情？","quality":0.462},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:44:16.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:44:16.892000+08:00","text":"所以農民會害怕、會煩惱。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:44:17.772000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:44:21.313000+08:00","text":"而病蟲害是另外一回事，它影響到的是它的成長及果實是否漂亮、大瓣或小瓣的問題，但整個產量多這麼多，不是多4%，是多這麼多。","quality":0.415},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:44:21.453000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:44:55.395000+08:00","text":"那一天部長到日本去，我有聽到次長在這邊答詢，很好，就是要來面對，怎麼樣也不能低於27塊，27塊的根據是什麼？","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:44:55.395000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:44:56.235000+08:00","text":"是10年前的根據還是什麼樣的根據？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:44:57.456000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:44:57.716000+08:00","text":"為什麼是27塊？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:44:57.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:45:04.520000+08:00","text":"除了台肥的肥料到現在沒漲價之外，因為民進黨執政以後有控制台肥的肥料，其他所有東西都漲價，農藥漲價，人工也漲價，沒有一樣沒漲價就對了。","quality":0.367},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:45:14.384000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:45:14.844000+08:00","text":"為什麼你說27塊？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:45:16.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:45:17.125000+08:00","text":"為什麼你不說28塊？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:45:17.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:45:17.266000+08:00","text":"為什麼你不說29塊？","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:45:17.266000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T15:45:18.266000+08:00","text":"為什麼你不說30塊？","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:45:17.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:45:18.206000+08:00","text":"為什麼要讓進口蒜頭這個時間進來？","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:45:18.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:45:23.249000+08:00","text":"明明知道本土蒜頭現在正在採收，為什麼還要讓進口的蒜頭進來這麼多？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:45:23.249000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T15:45:34.891000+08:00","text":"甚至這幾天都還在進口，部長知道嗎？","quality":0.133},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:45:34.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:45:34.991000+08:00","text":"院長知道嗎？","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:45:35.131000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:45:35.792000+08:00","text":"這要怎麼處理？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告一下","start":"2026-03-17T15:45:37.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:46:12.869000+08:00","text":"第一點是我們今年的面積有增加，我們的產量也有增加，不過我們今年在收成的時候有一些病害，所以產量又下修了一點，但產量提高是事實；第二點，感謝委員針對蒜頭產業的分析非常透澈，我要跟你報告我們不會保價收購，我的立場就是我們不會啟動任何的保價收購，因為保價收購是讓臺灣農業退步的一個象徵，但是我們一定會確保農民的收益。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告一下","start":"2026-03-17T15:46:13.709000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:46:17.850000+08:00","text":"你剛才提到的27塊、28塊、29塊、30塊我們要怎麼去處理？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告一下","start":"2026-03-17T15:46:18.411000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:46:48.503000+08:00","text":"第一點是我們希望去穩定的這個價格一定不能比進口價還高，因為如果比進口價還高，那麼就又更鼓勵進口了，所以我們會精算，以現在來說，每公噸從美國進來的是1,300塊美金，換算成我們的濕蒜大概是28.6塊，所以28.6塊應該是一個參考的價格。","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告一下","start":"2026-03-17T15:46:49.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:47:05.236000+08:00","text":"但是我剛才提到我們不用保價，而我又希望可以協助一些合作市場去收購的時候，它又不是收了以後馬上釋放到市場，因為它馬上釋放到市場沒效嘛……","quality":0.758},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:47:06.597000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:47:07.558000+08:00","text":"部長，我時間只剩1分鐘。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:47:08.098000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:47:30.481000+08:00","text":"所以你是獎勵嘛，你獎勵這些農民團體、獎勵這些農契作來配合政府，但是你要立即啟動、要馬上來做，我們不要再拖了，你要有動作去穩定價格，這原本就是政府的責任，產銷調節也是農業部應該要做的事情，所以今天開會結束之後，我希望你可以即刻、馬上來做這件事情，可以嗎？","quality":0.69},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T15:47:33.209000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:47:54.479000+08:00","text":"這絕對同意，今天開會結束之後，明天我就會來處理這件事情，不只是要確保農民的收益，後續我們也希望蒜頭不是收進來以後馬上釋放出去，就像委員一直強調的，我們之後也要做一些冰存、凍存的部分，來協助讓蒜頭慢慢的釋放出去，這樣價格才會穩定。","quality":0.683},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:47:57.661000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:48:03.065000+08:00","text":"你讓更多人來幫忙，幫政府的忙、幫蒜農的忙，蒜農並沒有要求100%，只要扣除蒜農的成本之後還有10%、20%、30%，其實他們就能過活了，那我們也能交代了，對不對？","quality":0.339},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:48:03.065000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T15:48:04.506000+08:00","text":"除此之外，菜價的部分是不是可以比照這樣處理？","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:48:04.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:48:20.584000+08:00","text":"你看萵仔菜、芥藍菜、波菜、高麗菜的價格已經兩年多都很差了，為什麼不趕快啟動調節、啟動穩定價格的機制？","quality":0.409},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:48:21.865000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:48:23.447000+08:00","text":"部長，這應該可以做到嘛！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T15:48:23.568000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:48:41.972000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，像蒜頭、花生這一類的我們會確保，但是有關蔬菜的部分，特別是短期葉菜21天就一輪，在21天一輪的情況下，我們會讓資訊更透明化，後續我想再跟委員說明。","quality":0.515},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:48:43.893000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:48:45.514000+08:00","text":"其實我們有很多產銷調節機制、我們有很多穩定價格的制度……","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T15:48:45.514000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T15:48:52.196000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們馬上來加強調節的作用，讓市場能夠穩定，讓價格也能夠達到一個合理的狀況。","quality":0.158},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:48:52.196000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:48:55.318000+08:00","text":"我拜託院長特別重視這一件事情，好不好？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T15:48:55.318000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T15:48:59.055750+08:00","text":"會，我們會來處理。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:48:59.055750+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T15:49:02.793500+08:00","text":"也請部長今天立即啟動，包含蒜價、包含菜價，我們都應該馬上來因應。","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T15:49:02.793500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T15:49:06.531250+08:00","text":"我們內部大概已經有一個評估了，今天會後我就會開會馬上來處理。","quality":0.036},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T15:49:06.531250+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T15:49:10.269000+08:00","text":"馬上處理。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-03-17T15:49:10.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:49:10.269000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-17T15:49:10.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:49:13.732000+08:00","text":"謝謝劉建國委員質詢，謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長備詢。","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-17T15:49:15.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T15:49:20.478000+08:00","text":"報告院會，我們休息10分鐘，謝謝柯志恩委員、林倩綺委員以及林岱樺委員陪同我們一起進行施政總質詢，現在休息。","quality":0.565},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-17T15:49:20.978000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T15:49:22.120857+08:00","text":"休息（15時49分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-17T15:49:22.420857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T15:49:23.849429+08:00","text":"繼續開會（16時）","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}