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的我們之前的狀態就是覺得Codex這邊的時候標準太寬鬆嘛所以我們原本標準比較嚴格所以對於豬雜的部分我們本來是0.01ppm的部分現在變成0.09ppm所以這部分就是一個不能用9倍這樣算因為0.01是不得減出這種概念它是機器的極限不是說它一個值提高了9倍"},{"start":393.081,"end":403.628,"text":"原來是不得檢出那現在是符合國際的規範本來不得檢出現在可以檢出那更是無限大耶部長那就不是九倍的問題喔本來不得檢出的狀態變成0.09那是無限大的一個百分比不是九倍喔是無限大的倍數喔所以目前是因為整個的"},{"start":413.215,"end":433.27,"text":"我現在要問的狀態是說因為它現在在整個ART當中的時候對於這所有的部分它是變得更寬鬆的一個情況我想問農業部的部分是覺得對於這個部分會不會對台灣的養豬產業產生影響農業部有沒有具體做這樣的一個評估我跟董議員說明就是"},{"start":434.131,"end":456.331,"text":"相關的這些放寬是符合國際規範的一個標準對農業部來講我一點都不會再擔心我相信你喜歡吃台灣豬肉還是喜歡吃進口豬肉我相信你一定喜歡吃台灣豬肉因為台灣豬肉有台灣豬肉的特色那我們第二個台灣豬肉本身的自給率大概是88平均88到90去年比較低是因為有肥肉豬肉的關係變成83所以後續我們會啟動"},{"start":460.034,"end":482.323,"text":"一個完整的國產豬肉的一個形象識別變成台灣豬肉唯一選擇所以美國現在目前只佔1%部長針對這個部分你們有沒有給台灣的豬農很清楚的意識到ART這樣子的一個調整之後會對他們產生什麼樣的影響他們非常清楚因為美國的豬肉只佔我們全國的消費量的不到1%"},{"start":483.897,"end":503.522,"text":"他進口的百分之八但是全部進口量的百分之一而已所以他不會去撼動到我們國產豬肉的一個行銷因為美國豬肉進來還要跟加拿大去競爭加拿大要賺百分之四十理解 理解因為我剛剛講那幾個點確實都是很具體的一個問題所以我們希望說"},{"start":504.702,"end":526.332,"text":"在ART這個部分的時候不會對台灣的豬農產生太大的影響所以農業部必須要有更積極的一個作為那另外一個部分就是針對漁電共生2.0版那這個政策還沒有完全的落實下來我想請問一下部長針對漁電脫鉤這件事情的時候目前情況怎麼樣然後農業部的態度是怎麼樣"},{"start":527.693,"end":546.044,"text":"我想我們新的餘電共生的政策並沒有對外我們現在是在內部研議跟一些利害關係人在討論那我所提出來的我覺得一個非常重要的就是餘電共生政策不會改變所以沒有所謂的餘電脫鉤這件事情"},{"start":547.805,"end":564.174,"text":"第二個我們所提出來的漁歸於電歸電是讓他回歸到專業就是漁電共生政策之下讓漁跟電本身回到他專業的去經營理解喔 主席再給我30秒 總共大臣這部分講完"},{"start":565.555,"end":591.559,"text":"我這邊這個部分的時候想講的狀態就是說在2025年我們原本希望能夠整個光電之類的目標是20GW那目前要延後一年這延後當中的部分呢我們看到大部分的資料就是因為餘電共生這邊所產生的部分所以至於說這邊要怎麼去調整是不是叫餘電共生2.0或者餘對於餘歸於電歸電這部分要怎麼去做"},{"start":592.139,"end":618.57,"text":"我都沒有特別的意見可是我覺得要讓台灣的電夠我覺得這是很重要的一件事情然後漁民的權益也不能夠受到損害那怎麼樣子讓業者讓地方政府讓主管的單位都能夠有很清楚的依據我覺得這很重要所以我們希望針對這部分要怎麼去做請部長發揮你的智慧好不好跟其他相關的單位包括經濟部這邊也做很好的溝通我想我們因為時間的關係部長這部分的回覆可以會後再給我們政委員了解"},{"start":622.575,"end":625.331,"text":"謝謝政委員 謝謝部長接下來有請"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:22:21.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:22:21.590000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:22:21.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:22:22.211000+08:00","text":"我想請一下陳部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:22:22.211000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:22:22.331000+08:00","text":"請農業部陳部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:22:22.331000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:22:40.868000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:22:40.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:22:43.391000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:22:43.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:22:46.013000+08:00","text":"我想農業相關問題其實很多啦！","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:22:46.714000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:22:49.777000+08:00","text":"第一個，我先問一下有關於農業金庫的問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:22:49.777000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:22:56.383000+08:00","text":"我想請教一下部長，你知不知道今年農業金庫的配息是多少錢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:22:57.577000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:22:58.158000+08:00","text":"應該沒有配息吧！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:22:58.418000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:22:59.319000+08:00","text":"沒有配息，OK！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:23:00.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:23:02.623000+08:00","text":"部長還是掌握得很好，農業金庫沒有配息。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:23:03.844000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:23:08.429000+08:00","text":"農業金庫連續2年都大幅的虧損，部長應該知道嘛？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:23:09.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:23:18.239000+08:00","text":"我想他的虧損已經有大幅的減少，特別在去年的時候，從前年的六十幾億到現在的17億左右。是。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:23:20.521000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:23:37.892000+08:00","text":"因為農業金庫是我們基層311家農漁會信用部大家一起撐起來的，其實農業金庫的經營績效及整個制度上面的一些問題，監察院也都直接提出了糾正。","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:23:39.013000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:23:41.255000+08:00","text":"針對這個部分，農業部有沒有什麼因應的方式？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:23:41.715000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:23:42.436000+08:00","text":"後續要怎麼樣做調整？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:23:43.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:23:58.603000+08:00","text":"第一個，其實農業金庫最致命的部分是他接受地區的農會轉存，所以他本身接受到的都是定存，而他的利率比一般的銀行大概差0.5%。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:23:59.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:24:07.249000+08:00","text":"他放款時所放出去的貸款是比較少的，所以就會造成他的虧損。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:24:07.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:24:10.952000+08:00","text":"當初60億的虧損是買國外這些低利率的外幣債券……理解。","quality":0.682},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:24:12.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:24:14.855000+08:00","text":"我想因為制度上就是這樣的安排嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:24:15.895000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:24:18.457000+08:00","text":"你們要怎麼樣讓農業金庫的績效能夠提升？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:24:19.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:24:21.800000+08:00","text":"怎麼樣去提升他LDR的比例？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:24:23.801000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:24:25.222000+08:00","text":"部長，有沒有什麼具體的做法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:24:25.682000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:24:36.708000+08:00","text":"第一個部分，就是農業金庫應該要回歸到專業管理人的角度，所以我們這次請了原來在銀行界服務的簡董事長來擔任。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:24:37.668000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:24:51.305000+08:00","text":"去年看得到他對於這種放貸款的規劃都比過去還精準，所以可以看得到虧損降低了。後續……","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:24:51.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:25:00.674000+08:00","text":"針對這個部分，我希望整個農業金融能夠有更完整、更成熟的狀態，所以針對農業金庫，部長到時候再請簡董事長到本席辦公室做更詳細的報告，好不好？","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:25:06.979000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:25:41.581000+08:00","text":"接下來我想要問一件事情是有關於ART的部分，雖然ART關係的層面非常、非常大，對等貿易協定的地方非常多，可是我今天只針對跟農業部具體相關，特別是在與豬相關產業的部分提幾個點，因為在這一次ART當中，從條文的第二十二點就開始有很多跟我們豬肉有關的一些調整。","quality":0.866},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:25:43.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:25:49.309000+08:00","text":"我們豬腎的萊克多巴胺容許量，現在是多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:25:49.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:25:52.533000+08:00","text":"ART後來開放的是多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:25:52.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:25:53.814000+08:00","text":"部長，知不知道？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:25:56.664000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:25:58.045000+08:00","text":"這個部分都是食藥署在負責的。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:25:58.045000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:25:59.045000+08:00","text":"理解、理解。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:25:58.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:25:59.305000+08:00","text":"原來的豬腎萊克多巴胺容許量應該是0.04，是不是？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:25:59.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:26:00.065000+08:00","text":"是0.04ppm啦！對。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:26:00.145000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:26:01.306000+08:00","text":"後來開放到0.09ppm……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:26:01.306000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:26:02.306000+08:00","text":"對，我記得是這樣。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:26:01.486000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:26:05.027000+08:00","text":"有關豬雜的部分，從0.01ppm開放到變成了0.09ppm，容許值提高了9倍。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:26:17.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:26:29.159000+08:00","text":"而且針對檢驗的方式，我們之前有用水解來釋放結合態的萊克多巴胺，現在也都不能用這樣的方式。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:26:31.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:26:38.485000+08:00","text":"有關查驗方式及頻率的部分，全部都有所限制，而且我們也不能夠百分之百逐批檢驗。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:26:41.587000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:26:44.329000+08:00","text":"我為什麼會把這些部分直接講出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:26:44.329000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:26:55.116000+08:00","text":"因為我知道這個部分其實不是農業部在管，現在除了百分之百逐批檢驗，我們當時這樣要求，現在也都不行。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:26:56.476000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:27:05.942000+08:00","text":"有關邊境檢查的裁量權，從條文的第二十五點到第三十一點全部都直接放寬，直接以美國的標準為標準。","quality":0.791},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:27:07.863000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:27:18.429000+08:00","text":"對於本來我們之前有事先查廠及驗肉的部分，現在只要是在美國MPI名錄當中，我們都不能去做了。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:27:19.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:27:46.682000+08:00","text":"甚至我們對於歐盟，像西班牙及丹麥的豬肉其實都沒有用萊克多巴胺，可是我們現在對美國要用最惠國待遇的方式因應，針對這些部分，我知道都不是農業部在管，可是在我們ART當中，確實都把它設定進來了。","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:27:49.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:28:00.192000+08:00","text":"我想請教一下部長，針對這個部分的開放對臺灣豬農產業，會產生什麼樣的影響？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:28:00.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:28:01.333000+08:00","text":"你們有沒有做具體的評估？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:28:02.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:28:07.212000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，整個談判條件是行政院一體的。理解。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:28:07.732000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:28:12.133000+08:00","text":"我們在談判的過程中，也了解衛福部相關的規劃。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:28:12.133000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:28:24.877000+08:00","text":"第一個部分，您剛才特別提到很多我們的裁量權，變成follow美國，這是不對的資訊，因為我們所有訂定的標準都是用科學的根據，符合國際規範，即Codex的規範……","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:28:25.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:28:25.778000+08:00","text":"條文上面就是這樣寫，它沒有不對啊！","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:28:27.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:28:30.001000+08:00","text":"但是它是用Codex的國際規範來處理……","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:28:30.621000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:28:34.325000+08:00","text":"我們之前就是覺得Codex標準太寬鬆嘛！沒有……","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:28:34.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:28:41.050000+08:00","text":"所以我們原本的標準比較嚴格，所以對於豬雜的部分，我們本來是0.01ppm……","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:28:41.050000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:28:42.050000+08:00","text":"0.01ppm……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:28:41.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:28:43.612000+08:00","text":"現在變成0.09ppm，所以這部分變成……","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:28:43.893000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:28:57.243000+08:00","text":"不是，不能用9倍這樣算，因為0.01是不得檢出這種概念，它是機器的極限，不是說它的值提高了9倍，原來是不得檢出，現在是符合國際的規範……","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:28:57.243000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:29:00.426000+08:00","text":"所以本來不得檢出，現在可以檢出，更是無限大耶！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:29:00.706000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:29:03.888000+08:00","text":"部長，就不是9倍的問題，本來不得檢出變成0.09，這是無限大的百分比，不是9倍喔！","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:29:03.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:29:04.168000+08:00","text":"是無限大的倍數。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:29:04.168000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:29:09.191500+08:00","text":"不對，不能用倍數去看這檢驗值。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:29:09.191500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:29:14.215000+08:00","text":"我理解。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:29:14.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:29:30.247000+08:00","text":"我現在要問的是，因為整個ART對於這些標準變得更寬鬆會不會對臺灣養豬產業產生影響？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:29:30.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:29:31.809000+08:00","text":"農業部有沒有具體的評估？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:29:32.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:29:43.198000+08:00","text":"我跟委員說明，相關的這些放寬是符合國際規範的標準，對農業部來講，我一點都不擔心，你喜歡吃臺灣豬肉？","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:29:43.579000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:29:44.660000+08:00","text":"還是喜歡吃進口豬肉？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:29:45.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:29:48.963000+08:00","text":"我相信你一定喜歡吃臺灣豬肉，因為臺灣豬肉有臺灣豬肉的特色。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:29:50.665000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:29:56.930000+08:00","text":"另外，臺灣豬肉本身的自給率大概平均88%到90%，去年比較低是因為有非洲豬瘟的關係而降為83%。","quality":0.718},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:29:57.211000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:30:11.098000+08:00","text":"後續我們會啟動一個完整的國產豬肉的形象識別，變成臺灣豬肉唯一選擇，所以美國目前只占1%……","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:30:11.098000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:30:19.062000+08:00","text":"部長，針對這個部分，你們有沒有給臺灣豬農很清楚的意識到ART這樣子的調整之後，會對他們產生什麼樣的影響？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:30:19.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:30:38.220000+08:00","text":"他們非常清楚，因為美國的豬肉只占我們全國消費量不到1%，它進口的8%，但是只占全部進口量的1%而已，所以不會去撼動到我們國產豬肉的行銷，因為美國豬肉進來還要跟加拿大競爭，加拿大占40%。","quality":0.901},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:30:39.381000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:30:52.165000+08:00","text":"OK，理解、理解，因為我剛剛講的那幾個點，確實都是很具體的問題，我們希望ART不會對臺灣的豬農產生太大的影響，所以農業部必須要有更積極的作為。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:30:52.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:31:06.091000+08:00","text":"另外一個部分就是針對漁電共生2.0版，這個政策還沒有完全落實，我想請問部長，針對漁電脫鉤這件事情，目前情況是怎麼樣？","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:31:06.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:31:07.332000+08:00","text":"農業部的態度是怎麼樣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:31:08.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:31:27.024000+08:00","text":"我們新的漁電共生政策並沒有對外，現在是在內部研議跟一些利害關係人討論，我覺得我所提出來的一個非常重要的，就是漁電共生政策不會改變，所以沒有所謂的漁電脫鉤這件事情。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:31:28.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:31:42.733000+08:00","text":"第二個，我們所提出來的「漁歸漁、電歸電」，是讓它回歸到專業，也就是漁電共生政策之下，讓漁跟電本身回到專業經營，所以它不是脫鉤。","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:31:42.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:31:43.353000+08:00","text":"OK，理解。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:31:44.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:31:45.154000+08:00","text":"主席再給我30秒鐘，我把這部分講完。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:31:47.176000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:32:07.954000+08:00","text":"針對這個部分我想講的狀態就是，在2025年我們原本希望整個光電的目標是20GW，那目前要延後一年，我們看到大部分的資料，就是因為漁電共生所產生的，至於要怎麼去調整，是不是叫漁電共生2.0？","quality":0.937},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:32:07.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:32:12.539000+08:00","text":"或者「漁歸漁、電歸電」要怎麼去做？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:32:13.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:32:21.222000+08:00","text":"我都沒有特別的意見，可是我覺得要讓臺灣的電夠，這是很重要的一件事情，然後漁民的權益也不能夠受到損害。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:32:21.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:32:29.225000+08:00","text":"怎麼樣讓業者、讓地方政府、讓主管的單位，都能夠有很清楚的依據，我覺得這很重要。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:32:31.186000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:32:34.908000+08:00","text":"針對這部分要怎麼去做，我們希望部長發揮你的智慧，好不好？","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-03-18T10:32:35.108000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:32:38.269000+08:00","text":"跟其他相關的單位，包括經濟部這邊也做很好的溝通。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:32:38.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:32:38.509000+08:00","text":"我想我們一起努力。謝謝。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席（鍾委員佳濱代）","start":"2026-03-18T10:32:38.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:32:39.550000+08:00","text":"因為時間的關係，部長這部分的回復可以會後再給鄭委員了解。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"主席（鍾委員佳濱代）","start":"2026-03-18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