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你怎麼落跑"},{"start":228.014,"end":246.554,"text":"他在的時候,他好比證券市場的護國神山我看他那穩穩穩穩的上,我說這下算嘛,你那兇兇就滅了轉任到別的地方,不曉得現在新任的可不可以撐得住那個,報告委員齁,我們外資現在的成交量大概35%"},{"start":249.937,"end":270.083,"text":"再補充一下市場交易所當沖的量平均來講的話也是36%沒有到47%所以基本上交易所的話當沖的部分沒有高到40%我們看到現在台灣的台股這樣走走走甚至有的股價"},{"start":271.499,"end":298.019,"text":"主委股價已經漲到一萬多塊我的天啊這個在十年二十年三十年前完全想像不到一張股票股價一萬多塊主委你有沒有在買股票沒有你沒有買股票對我們不能買股票我啊啊你都沒有買股票怎麼樣融入其中然後掌握其中的奧妙我們這樣才客觀"},{"start":299.27,"end":326.411,"text":"這樣客觀喔那你客觀要知道裡面更多的情況因為現在大概有60%以上傳產的部分有的甚至低於20年的平均價格這是有一點就是資訊也好有一些外資來也好就變成這個市場都有一些不同的力道存在外資來他會去買傳產嗎"},{"start":329.556,"end":335.089,"text":"當然也有啊 只是比重上可能沒那麼高比例很低很低啦那我們請簡董好了"},{"start":337.958,"end":359.204,"text":"那剛剛跟委員更正一下因為剛剛有委員質詢那個當沖他資料47剛剛我們董事長已經更正了對的也差不多啦他一直在成長當沖的量一直在成長那請教一下那個檢總市長面對這樣的事外資來買本土的這些股票大概比例佔多少"},{"start":360.407,"end":369.275,"text":"假設100億來說,買全產會有多少?跟委員報告,櫃買中心外資這個交易的比重大概25%左右如果買全產的勒?"},{"start":375.652,"end":393.124,"text":"其實其實委員我可不可以說明一下其實傳產跟所謂現在我們AI或者是相關的這些產業其實我們現在並不是這樣分因為我們一直在講供應鏈供應鏈的觀念現在有很多的"},{"start":394.325,"end":420.013,"text":"我們所定義的譬如說做材料的譬如說做機械的其實他跟這一個AI的供應鏈或半導體供應鏈他們都有幫他做設計這個材料或者設計這個機械所以他們會進入他的供應鏈裡面所以其實我想解釋的是說這整個的供應鏈其實是很比較龐大的不單純去分這個是不是傳產"},{"start":422.534,"end":441.488,"text":"他如果說他做的東西是很很舊的很傳統以前的東西都沒有新的研發或發展的話那他可能就會歸類說比較沒有辦法去沾到這一個整個趨勢的這個我理解了因為你整個展開來也許他有金屬加工部分他有一些螺絲等等"},{"start":442.529,"end":466.457,"text":"那我現在是講的意思是說當大家全部重心都放在未來的一個趨勢好 譬如說我們現在講未來的趨勢那主委你告訴我們未來的趨勢是什麼對 我想說未來的趨勢其實我剛才講我是一個假設我已經王主委我是博士你是教授啦 所以不知道未來趨勢大概就是低軌衛星嘛台灣未來的發展"},{"start":467.884,"end":494.073,"text":"就是這個人型機器人嘛另外一個就是無人機嘛這個都是大家通通都知道的一般都知道的事情所以我現在的意思說我們很多的重心不斷的放在Focus在這幾個部分而忘記了很多基本的傳產比如說銀件銀件股來說有很多都是很認真很辛苦踏實在做"},{"start":494.833,"end":509,"text":"可是一般台灣給的本益比就非常低啊那我請教前董事長好了前董就半導體來說台灣給的本益比是多少"},{"start":511,"end":532.277,"text":"現在半導體 因為我們看個別公司的情況不一樣有的可能有到 譬如說50的這個ratio台灣嗎好 那大陸能給多少我們整個平均是30幾 35左右吧對 好 那PCB的部分 台灣給多少"},{"start":533.984,"end":562.743,"text":"PCB 最近有一些PCB其實本益比還不錯因為他PCB他有做ABF載板有一些都是直接是AI必須要用到有一些很高端現在他的技術層級非常高所以我覺得每一家產業或公司他的這個PE Ratio或他產生的PE他的這個是跟他的研發跟他製造的這個項目有沒有走到"},{"start":563.884,"end":572.291,"text":"我們有很多的台商因為在台灣的人見度不高獲得台灣青睞的程度不高很多跑到大陸去為什麼 主委您知道為什麼嗎"},{"start":578.427,"end":598.91,"text":"因為很多這些過去的台商朋友在台灣要借錢借不到要給予金融的支持都不要全部有幾千都跑到大陸去了沒有想應該這個情況如果是個案的話應該是就是個案一夜之秋啊我可以累積很多個案改天給主委知道一下好我們再繞回來時間關係喔"},{"start":600.424,"end":622.711,"text":"那台灣現在發展的話我很怕就是有很多失衡或者有一些基本的傳產大家看不到沒有關心台灣有的百工百業我們要照顧更多的一般中小企業這是很重要的主委對不對當然我想政府職責應該照顧每一個行業每一個國人好 再來問的一個就是說"},{"start":624.198,"end":642.674,"text":"我們現在乘以下,每天均量一兆,請問政府收的稅收多少?那個用那稅率一成,大概...政交稅?千分之一點四二五,兩邊來回千分之三一天大概二十四億,因為扣掉當沖"},{"start":645.649,"end":667.716,"text":"最後一個不好意思主席站起來最後一個題目就是台灣的證券加稅一天大概抽24億一年兩百四五十個營業日下來抽了五六千億主委會不會太重這是國家財政稅收的問題我不方便說如果跟國際接軌"},{"start":670.189,"end":691.263,"text":"證交稅 適當的往下調升到千分之一你覺得有沒有機會我們國際的稅制比台灣有它很獨特的地方因為我們沒有課證券交易所得稅嘛那有些國家有課這個他就不課交易稅這個有各種不同的歷史因素這可能沒辦法就這樣簡單的所以現在台灣的股民溫水煮青蛙"},{"start":692.003,"end":707.38,"text":"每天一兆一兆滾下去一年就是被政府抽了五六千億這個非常的不公平啊稅制的部分我們也三兆多這些股民就被收了大概六千億的稅十年就多少就六兆"},{"start":711.069,"end":731.751,"text":"所以這個應該如果持續那麼大量的話證交稅是應該要被檢討是應該要調降的不能一直針對這個股民不斷地抽他們的血抽他們的稅好不好好 謝謝所以主委也贊成請主委用書面回答"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:22:36.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:22:39.090000+08:00","text":"主席、各位委員、出列席官員，大家好。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:22:41.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:22:42.330000+08:00","text":"請彭金隆主委。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:22:43.211000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:22:44.011000+08:00","text":"請金管會彭主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:22:44.811000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:22:46.671000+08:00","text":"等一下請OTC的董事長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:22:46.671000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:22:50.112000+08:00","text":"請OTC簡立忠董事長。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:22:50.112000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:22:50.532000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:22:50.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:22:50.852000+08:00","text":"主委你好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:22:51.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:22:53.893000+08:00","text":"你運氣真不錯！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:22:53.893000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:22:56.593000+08:00","text":"你來了以後，臺灣股市強強滾！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:22:58.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:23:10.976000+08:00","text":"川普說美國股市要上看10萬點，臺灣有沒有機會突破5萬點大關？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:23:10.976000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:23:18.038000+08:00","text":"我還是一樣回答那句話，我們金管會身為資本市場主管機關，不會對未來做任何預測。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:23:18.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:23:27.961000+08:00","text":"一樣的一句話啊，我上次問的時候是1萬點會突破2萬點，你也講這句話，會不會到了5萬點，你還是講這句話？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:23:27.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:23:29.801000+08:00","text":"我想我答案應該都是一樣。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:23:29.801000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:23:30.402000+08:00","text":"都一樣。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:23:30.402000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:23:34.303000+08:00","text":"我們看到臺灣股市蓬勃地發展，現在是不是已經進入牛市？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:23:36.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:23:38.874000+08:00","text":"這個答案應該也是一樣。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:23:38.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:23:40.597000+08:00","text":"是怎麼一樣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:23:40.597000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:23:41.597000+08:00","text":"也是牛市？","quality":0},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:23:40.597000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:23:47.045000+08:00","text":"就是我們不會對現在市場、對未來景氣的判斷做任何評論。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:23:47.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:23:50.609000+08:00","text":"金管會最重要的就是營造一個好的氛圍……是的。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:23:51.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:23:55.292000+08:00","text":"讓國際資金源源不斷地滾滾而來。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:23:55.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:24:00.395000+08:00","text":"你有沒有大概統計一下，現在每天的日均量加起來大概多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:24:00.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:24:03.837000+08:00","text":"現在大概是在8,500億左右。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:24:04.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:24:08.660000+08:00","text":"八千多億，如果再加OTC，加上興櫃、創櫃買賣，整個加起來有多少？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:24:08.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:24:08.880000+08:00","text":"應該是在9,800……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:24:16.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:24:17.930000+08:00","text":"差不多1兆。","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:24:17.930000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:24:18.930000+08:00","text":"對，差不多1兆。","quality":0},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:24:18.930000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:24:19.930000+08:00","text":"只有今年。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:24:18.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:24:20.231000+08:00","text":"快到1兆。對。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:24:23.193000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:24:28.437000+08:00","text":"這個比例是不是有一點需要怎麼樣來加強？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:24:29.357000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:24:31.719000+08:00","text":"自然人的部分，現在開戶數有多少？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:24:32.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:24:33.140000+08:00","text":"現在大概1,300萬吧。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:24:34.581000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:24:36.362000+08:00","text":"經常在使用的戶頭有多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:24:36.362000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:24:39.809000+08:00","text":"這可能不知道，不過……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:24:39.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:24:47.696000+08:00","text":"800萬戶，反正都一直在慢慢增加，小白也都加進來了，我們看到每一波都有不一樣的故事。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:24:48.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:24:58.826000+08:00","text":"從大概前年航海王，後來就是台積電護國神山，再來是現在AI所有的周邊公司。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:24:59.887000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:25:01.248000+08:00","text":"什麼時候輪到金融跟傳產？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:25:02.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:25:11.638000+08:00","text":"我想就是一樣，假設你真的被市場肯定，未來具有成長的前景，那市場效率性高的話自然會看見。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:25:11.638000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:25:18.103000+08:00","text":"其實這個結構上跟展現出來的數據，是有它的內容，不一樣的內涵。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:25:19.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:25:20.544000+08:00","text":"現在外資的持股比例有多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:25:20.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:25:21.505000+08:00","text":"現在大概是48%。48%。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:25:24.879000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:25:29.684000+08:00","text":"每天當沖的量大概占1兆裡面百分之多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:25:30.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:25:31.285000+08:00","text":"前面委員有提到，大概47%。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:25:31.285000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:25:32.487000+08:00","text":"所以一兆多裡面等於大概有45%、48%全部都是靠當沖。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:25:41.364000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:25:52.528000+08:00","text":"主委，你覺得這樣的情況，再加上外資的部分像QFII，我們外資來的還有什麼？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:25:52.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:25:53.629000+08:00","text":"FINI。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:25:54.209000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:25:55.869000+08:00","text":"FINI的量大概有多少？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:25:57.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:25:58.030000+08:00","text":"外資的交易嗎？對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:25:58.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:25:58.330000+08:00","text":"剛剛同仁講百分之三十幾。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:25:58.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:25:58.610000+08:00","text":"不然請張振山局長好了。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:26:08.957000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:26:10.139000+08:00","text":"還是請……因為現在是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:26:11.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:26:12.361000+08:00","text":"現在換人了，是不是？對。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:26:14.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:26:17.307000+08:00","text":"張振山是這樣啦，我剛遇到他，我說你怎麼落跑？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:26:19.014000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:26:33.309000+08:00","text":"他在的時候，他好比證券市場的護國神山，這樣穩穩地往上，我說現在慘了，他突然就躲起來，轉任到別的地方，不曉得現在新任的人，可不可以撐得住？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林董事長修銘","start":"2026-03-18T10:26:34.431000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:26:37.554000+08:00","text":"報告委員，現在外資的成交量大概35%。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"林董事長修銘","start":"2026-03-18T10:26:40.937000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:26:54.881000+08:00","text":"再補充一下，事實上交易所當沖的量平均來講也是36%，沒有到47%，所以基本上交易所就當沖的部分，我們沒有高到……","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:26:55.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:27:05.942000+08:00","text":"是，我們看到現在臺灣的臺股這樣走走走，主委，甚至有的股價已經漲到一萬多塊，我的天啊！","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:27:06.942000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:27:17.691000+08:00","text":"這在10年、20年、30年前完全想像不到，一張股票的股價一萬多塊。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:27:17.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:27:19.312000+08:00","text":"主委，你有沒有在買股票？沒有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:27:19.872000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:27:20.493000+08:00","text":"你沒有買股票？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:27:21.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:27:23.175000+08:00","text":"對，我們不能買股票。啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:27:23.335000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:27:28.099000+08:00","text":"你都沒有買股票，怎麼樣融入其中，然後掌握其中的奧妙？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:27:28.399000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:27:29.019000+08:00","text":"我們這樣才客觀。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:27:30.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:27:55.790000+08:00","text":"這樣客觀喔，那你客觀要知道裡面更多的情況，因為現在傳產的部分大概有60%以上，有的甚至低於20年的平均價格，就是資券也好，有一些外資來也好，變成這個市場都有一些不同的力道存在。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:27:57.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:27:57.411000+08:00","text":"外資來，他會去買傳產嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:28:00.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:28:02.561000+08:00","text":"當然也有啊，只是比重上可能沒那麼高。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:28:03.323000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:28:04.465000+08:00","text":"比例很低很低啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:28:04.465000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:28:05.769000+08:00","text":"沒有，當然國際的資金當然……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:28:05.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:28:06.069000+08:00","text":"我們請簡董好了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:28:09.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:28:16.500000+08:00","text":"跟委員更正一下，因為剛剛有委員質詢當沖，他資料是47%，剛才我們董事長已經更正了。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:28:16.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:28:21.241000+08:00","text":"也差不多啦，當沖的量一直在成長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:28:22.362000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:28:24.322000+08:00","text":"請教一下簡董事長。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"簡董事長立忠","start":"2026-03-18T10:28:24.322000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:28:25.322000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:28:24.322000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:28:30.184000+08:00","text":"面對這樣的情況，外資來買本土的這些股票，大概比例占多少？","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:28:31.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:28:33.589000+08:00","text":"假設100億來說，買傳產的會有多少？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"簡董事長立忠","start":"2026-03-18T10:28:34.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:28:39.234000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，櫃買中心外資交易的比重大概25%左右。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:28:39.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:28:40.175000+08:00","text":"如果買傳產的呢？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"簡董事長立忠","start":"2026-03-18T10:28:47.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:29:46.644000+08:00","text":"委員，我可不可以說明一下，其實傳產跟我們所謂的AI或者是相關產業，現在並不是這樣分，因為我們一直在講供應鏈的觀念，有很多我們所定義的，比如說，做材料的、做機械的，其實他們跟AI供應鏈或半導體供應鏈之間，他們都有幫它做設計材料或者是設計機械，所以他們會進入它的供應鏈裡面，所以我想解釋的是，這整個供應鏈其實是很龐大的，不單純去分這個是不是傳產，如果說它做的東西是很舊、很傳統的，是以前的東西，都沒有新的研發或發展的話，那它可能就會歸類於比較沒有辦法去沾到這整個趨勢的進步。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:29:47.384000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:29:52.468000+08:00","text":"這個我理解，因為整個展開來，也許它有金屬加工部分，它有一些螺絲等等。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:29:53.989000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:30:04.032000+08:00","text":"我現在的意思是，當大家都把重心全部放在我們現在講的未來趨勢上時，主委，請你告訴我們未來趨勢是什麼？","quality":0.822},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:30:05.133000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:30:10.374000+08:00","text":"未來趨勢……以我是金管會主委來說，我是不會去……","quality":0.526},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:30:10.734000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:30:11.695000+08:00","text":"你是教授怎麼會不知道？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:30:12.795000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:30:27.347000+08:00","text":"所謂未來趨勢大概就是低軌衛星，而臺灣未來的發展還有人形機器人，至於另外一個就是無人機，這是大家都知道的事。","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:30:28.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:30:40.091000+08:00","text":"所以我的意思是：我們把很多重心focus在這幾個部分，卻忘記基本傳產，比如營建股！","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:30:41.292000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:30:48.995000+08:00","text":"其實很多都很認真、也很辛苦、很踏實在做，可是臺灣給的本益比卻非常低！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:30:51.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:30:52.596000+08:00","text":"我請教簡董事長。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"簡董事長立忠","start":"2026-03-18T10:30:52.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:30:52.596000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:30:55.998000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:30:59.980000+08:00","text":"簡董，就半導體來說，臺灣給的本益比是多少？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"簡董事長立忠","start":"2026-03-18T10:31:03.861000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:31:13.269000+08:00","text":"以半導體來說，個別公司的情況都不一樣，有的可能到50 ratio……","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:31:13.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:31:14.370000+08:00","text":"臺灣嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"簡董事長立忠","start":"2026-03-18T10:31:14.370000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:31:15.370000+08:00","text":"對，我們……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:31:14.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:31:15.490000+08:00","text":"大陸給多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"簡董事長立忠","start":"2026-03-18T10:31:15.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:31:21.135000+08:00","text":"我們整個平均是35左右。對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:31:21.755000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:31:23.257000+08:00","text":"PCB的部分臺灣給多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"簡董事長立忠","start":"2026-03-18T10:31:26.105000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:31:30.148000+08:00","text":"最近有一些PCB本益比還不錯，因為PCB……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:31:30.408000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:31:34.311000+08:00","text":"因為它有做ABF載板，有一些是AI必須要用的……","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"簡董事長立忠","start":"2026-03-18T10:31:34.411000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:31:38.954000+08:00","text":"有一些是很高端的，且技術層級非常、非常高。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"簡董事長立忠","start":"2026-03-18T10:31:40.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:31:53.723000+08:00","text":"我覺得每一種產業或公司的PU ratio或所產生……與研發及跟製造的項目有沒有走到……","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:31:53.723000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:31:55.345000+08:00","text":"簡董你知道嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:31:55.345000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:32:03.090000+08:00","text":"很多臺商因為在臺灣能見度不高，獲得青睞的程度也不高，所以跑到大陸去了，為什麼？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:32:03.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:32:03.291000+08:00","text":"主委知道為什麼嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:32:11.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:32:20.099000+08:00","text":"過去這些臺商朋友在臺灣借不到錢，也不給予金融支持，所以有幾家都跑到大陸去了！","quality":0.771},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:32:21.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:32:23.823000+08:00","text":"這情況如果是個案的話，應該……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:32:23.883000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:32:25.645000+08:00","text":"就是個案，一葉知秋！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:32:26.186000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:32:28.989000+08:00","text":"我累積了很多個案，改天讓主委知道一下。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:32:29.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:32:39.726000+08:00","text":"時間關係我們再拉回來，我怕臺灣現在的發展有很多失衡之處，甚或根本看不到基本傳產，也不關心。","quality":0.537},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:32:40.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:32:47.529000+08:00","text":"臺灣有百工百業，所以我們要照顧更多的中小企業，這點很重要，對不對，主委？","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:32:47.529000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:32:51.810000+08:00","text":"當然，政府職責應該要照顧每一個行業及每一個國人。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:32:52.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:33:01.043000+08:00","text":"好，我再請問，現在股市成交量每天均量一兆，請問政府收的稅收多少？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:33:03.065000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:33:03.505000+08:00","text":"以稅率一成來計算……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:33:06.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:33:10.471000+08:00","text":"證交稅是千分之一點四二五，兩邊來回就是千分之三。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:33:10.471000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:33:12.493000+08:00","text":"這要問一下……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:33:12.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:33:13.674000+08:00","text":"一天大概24億，因為還要扣掉當沖。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:33:17.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:33:18.910000+08:00","text":"不好意思，主席站起來了。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:33:18.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:33:32.534000+08:00","text":"最後一個題目，現在臺灣一天的證交稅大概抽24億，一年兩百四、五十個營業日下來，抽了5、6,000億，主委，會不會太重？","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:33:34.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:33:37.795000+08:00","text":"這是國家財政與稅收的問題，我不方便說。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:33:37.795000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:33:46.733000+08:00","text":"如果跟國際接軌，證交稅適當的往下調至千分之一，你覺得有沒有機會？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:33:46.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:33:51.716000+08:00","text":"我剛剛有提到，跟國際稅制比，臺灣有它很獨特的地方，因為沒有課證券交易所得稅……","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:33:51.716000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:33:54.177000+08:00","text":"這個我知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:33:54.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:34:00.001000+08:00","text":"但有些國家有課，所以就不課交易稅，其中有各種不同的歷史因素，可能沒辦法就這樣簡單……","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:34:00.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:34:09.951000+08:00","text":"其實現在臺灣股民是溫水煮青蛙，每天一兆一兆滾下去，一年就被政府抽了5、6,000億，這非常不公平！","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:34:11.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:34:18.360000+08:00","text":"就稅制來說，一年三兆多，其中光股民就被收了大概6,000億的稅，十年就多少？6兆！","quality":0.71},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:34:23.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:34:39.868000+08:00","text":"我認為如果持續這麼大量的話，證交稅就應該要檢討，甚至應該要調降，不能一直針對這些股民，不斷抽他們的血、抽他們的稅，好不好？謝謝……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-03-18T10:34:39.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:34:40.909000+08:00","text":"所以主委也贊成？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:34:41.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:34:42.731000+08:00","text":"請主委用書面回答……","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:34:43.231000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:34:45.516714+08:00","text":"這是財政部的權責。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:34:45.816714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:34:48.102429+08:00","text":"請用書面回答，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:34:48.402429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:34:51.259571+08:00","text":"再來請賴惠員委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}