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Go，也會有健康幣，然後你們的健康存摺也會有……","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:35:53.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:35:58.432000+08:00","text":"應該是這樣，健康存摺上面是積分的累計，因為這裡面有一些個人資料，所以……","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:35:59.273000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:36:02.614000+08:00","text":"沒關係，部長，我們等一下再討論這個部分好了，因為今天主要就是要跟你討論這個政策細節。好。","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:36:05.275000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:36:13.399000+08:00","text":"那你們目前預計合作的商家有多少、預計每年會支應多少預算，那財務結構完成了嗎？","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:36:13.399000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:36:15.480000+08:00","text":"具體跟哪一些商家目前有在談？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:36:15.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:36:22.944000+08:00","text":"我們跟幾大超商都在洽接，他們也都展現了相當的合作意願。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:36:23.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:36:28.945000+08:00","text":"OK，但是聽起來好像還是很模糊的一個初步階段，是不是？嗯。是嘛？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:36:29.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:36:37.767000+08:00","text":"部長，因為你們曾經承諾4月要如期上線，但是現在好像還有很多細節在洽談中，會不會延期？","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:36:38.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:36:54.355000+08:00","text":"應該是這麼說，我們原本希望這個是獨立上線，但是之前也有委員，像陳菁徽委員也在指教說，政府有好多個幣，包含文化幣、客家幣、健康幣……對。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:36:54.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:37:07.583000+08:00","text":"希望整合，行政院院長也有指示，希望朝這個方向，我們現在會搭配整個的整合方案來推動，所以期程上我們會往後延，要搭配……","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:37:08.564000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:37:10.525000+08:00","text":"所以你確定會往後延了，對不對？對。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:37:10.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:37:11.105000+08:00","text":"不可能4月上線。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:37:11.306000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:37:11.386000+08:00","text":"對，來不及。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:37:12.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:37:17.369000+08:00","text":"好，因為的確這裡面有很多細節，到現在好像還是很初步、還需要去整合的階段。是。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:37:18.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:37:30.975000+08:00","text":"在上線之前，因為我目前在網路上能夠收集到的資訊也有限，想要先請教一下部長，你們在推動健康幣政策的時候，是不是也有考慮到公衛的三段五級概念？對。有嘛！有。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:37:32.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:37:54.438000+08:00","text":"根據媒體報導，你們是說透過篩檢可以換幣，但是在公衛政策上，就我們理解的分類，它是屬於第二段第三級，就是中間那個部分，所以我是想要跟部長討論，你是不是應該把這個政策理念用公共……把它重新檢討，有沒有可能不要把它放在第三級，而是從第一級就開始？","quality":0.991},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:37:55.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:37:56.139000+08:00","text":"健康促進的部分。","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:37:57.079000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:38:07.703000+08:00","text":"有，跟委員說明，我們也有在考量跟穿戴式裝置結合，包含運動、走路，一天走多少步，把它納入也是可以積點。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:38:07.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:38:13.445000+08:00","text":"沒有錯，我想你們應該也有去做一些國際政策的研究，像新加坡的健康促進局。對。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:38:14.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:38:19.308000+08:00","text":"他還有一個全國步數挑戰，後面還有拓展深度旅遊的健康計畫。對。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:38:19.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:38:25.432000+08:00","text":"然後像是「U-Sport 臺北樂運動」運動的這個計畫。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:38:25.973000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:38:29.075000+08:00","text":"其實我們最主要的，跟你討論這個就在於，你們應該再……有。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:38:29.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:38:37.101000+08:00","text":"往前提，然後把前面這一段的健康促進，把它放到比較重要的一個角色。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:38:37.422000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:38:41.045000+08:00","text":"其實跟委員說明，我們希望結合的是生活型態。對。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:38:41.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:38:54.697000+08:00","text":"就是生活習慣的改變，所以這裡面，包含運動一定會在裡頭，因為我們現在的健康存摺跟運動表已經可以結合在一起了，所以這個可以計算進來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:38:57.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:39:04.023000+08:00","text":"另外還有像生活型態的評估，我們也會把它納入健康幣裡面的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:39:04.103000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:39:06.484000+08:00","text":"對，所以你這裡就有牽扯到運動的部分了。是。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:39:07.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:39:14.148000+08:00","text":"所以我想問，你這樣子跟運動幣會不會有重疊、疊床架屋的部分？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:39:14.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:39:16.429000+08:00","text":"這個部分你沒有去跟運動部對接、討論嗎？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:39:17.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:39:18.951000+08:00","text":"因為這樣會不會有……","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:39:19.871000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:39:33.579000+08:00","text":"不會，我們是累積點數，並不是發錢出去，所以你運動就累積了點數，累積了點數之後再換成健康幣去做其他的折抵。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:39:34.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:39:42.704000+08:00","text":"譬如他未來在超商、跟我們合作的超商，就可以去折抵，買東西的時候可以有折扣，大概是這樣去折抵。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:39:42.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:39:43.945000+08:00","text":"這樣子跟現在的運動幣不會有重疊的地方嗎？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:39:46.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:39:47.387000+08:00","text":"因為運動幣目前它是發……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:39:48.107000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:39:48.607000+08:00","text":"它是發出來。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:39:48.607000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:39:49.607000+08:00","text":"對，它是出……","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:39:49.007000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:39:53.429000+08:00","text":"沒錯，它是發出來，可是你去做了這件事情之後，它們兩者之間……","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:39:53.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:40:08.636000+08:00","text":"我們未來的合作是他拿了運動幣去做運動的活動可以來累積健康幣，所以就變成一個生態循環，拿了健康幣之後，再去換，譬如……","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:40:08.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:40:09.617000+08:00","text":"運動幣，可以嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:40:09.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:40:11.058000+08:00","text":"可以再換回去運動幣嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:40:11.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:40:18.422000+08:00","text":"對，譬如我們再跟一些運動業者合作，他就可以換這個入場門票的折扣。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:40:19.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:40:46.283000+08:00","text":"對，所以其實我也想要跟部長分享的就是你們在規劃健康幣的時候不要太封閉，不要說他只能夠做什麼事，就像你剛剛說的，因為健康幣是他先做了一個行為，可以累積credit，然後變成健康幣，那你就應該讓健康幣可以更廣泛的運用在社會的其他地方，包含要換成運動幣也好，換成文化幣也好，要去超商消費也好……對。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:40:47.444000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:40:54.329000+08:00","text":"我認為這樣才有辦法做到真正去推廣第一級的健康促進。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:40:54.329000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:41:22.072000+08:00","text":"因為你們去研究一下，之前可能也有發生在推廣很多運動活動的時候，說如果來運動場所，就可以打折等等，可是最後發現，事實上，真的會去運動的本來就會去運動，結果就只有他會拿到這個優惠，不運動的就是不運動，所以我想要跟部長講的就是你在規劃這個所謂健康幣的時候，就應該讓它的通用性再多一點。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:41:22.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:41:26.996000+08:00","text":"本席也是支持這樣的概念，我們從讓大家健康促進的第一級開始。","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:41:28.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:41:40.888000+08:00","text":"因為目前為止我可以看到的，你剛剛講的跟我查到的資訊是有一點落差，我在網路上查到的是譬如打疫苗、完成篩檢、定期健康檢查，他可以換所謂的無糖飲料、健康蔬食。","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:41:42.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:41:53.607000+08:00","text":"我覺得應該要把所謂的鼓勵運動以及這個幣的通用性擴大，不然，你就沒有辦法促進到那些本來沒有去參與的，你沒有給他更強的動力……是。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:41:55.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:42:07.934000+08:00","text":"所以這個部分就是想要跟你說，你們應該再去多串聯其他的，就像你剛剛說的，是不是行政院應該再去串聯，不管是中央的幣也好，甚至是到地方政府，他們有哪一些……","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:42:08.474000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:42:08.594000+08:00","text":"對，也可以合作。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:42:08.734000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:42:30.108000+08:00","text":"大家可以串在一起合作，真正促進都不想去參與的這些人，可以讓他有動力，他搞不好就是想要賺一點文化幣，所以來運動一下、來健康檢查一下，我覺得這樣才比較會有好的正向循環，是不是？有嘛！會嘛！","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:42:30.468000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:42:33.290000+08:00","text":"有，謝謝委員的指教，我們朝這個方向來做最大化。好。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:42:35.172000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:42:42.861000+08:00","text":"剛剛談完通用性，我現在還要再講回去你剛剛說的，因為你們有一個全民健保行動快易通……對。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:42:43.762000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:42:45.904000+08:00","text":"我們在這個app上面會遇到幾個問題。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:42:45.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:43:03.957000+08:00","text":"第一個是現在絕大多數的功能都整合進去健保快易通，那你在架構健康幣平臺的時候，你剛剛講到又有健習生，又有健康存摺，我認為你這樣民眾要下載很多的app耶！","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:43:05.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:43:08.939000+08:00","text":"你是不是應該儘量整合到現在已經有最多人的地方？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:43:10.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:43:22.226000+08:00","text":"現在你們這個健習生下架了，而這個之前只有500人下載，我有看到部長說很不滿意，所以這個部分你們是不是應該要想辦法整合？","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:43:22.746000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:43:25.349000+08:00","text":"現在健保快易通使用的有多少人，1,500萬人次？","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:43:26.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:43:29.612000+08:00","text":"曾經下載過的是1,300萬。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:43:30.052000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:43:32.575000+08:00","text":"健康存摺使用的有多少，730萬？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:43:32.575000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:43:33.575000+08:00","text":"差不多。","quality":0},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:43:32.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:43:38.159000+08:00","text":"如果常規在使用，3個月內都有使用的，大概是兩、三百萬。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:43:39.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:43:40.621000+08:00","text":"兩、三百萬？對。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:43:40.621000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:43:42.663000+08:00","text":"常規使用，但是真正有的東西應該……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:43:43.323000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:43:45.224000+08:00","text":"經常在用，至於曾經下載過的，有1,300萬。","quality":0.467},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:43:45.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:43:46.906000+08:00","text":"對，所以它的量體已經很大了……是。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:43:47.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:43:55.732000+08:00","text":"所以你應該是直接整合進去，就不用再去用什麼「健習生Health Go」，這樣會越來越複雜，然後有好多個app，一般人怎麼用？","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:43:57.153000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:44:04.118000+08:00","text":"對於長輩來講，他要再去下載一個新的也很困難，所以你是不是應該朝向直接把它整合進去的方式？","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:44:04.118000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:44:05.859000+08:00","text":"這個跟委員說明……","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:44:05.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:44:09.142000+08:00","text":"而且它如果要獨立的話，你還要編一個推廣費、教育費……","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:44:09.142000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:45:02.397000+08:00","text":"我們當時候會把它們兩個分開最主要是因為健康存摺上有太多醫療資料，在做後續操作的時候，怕有個資資安的問題，所以我們希望讓健保的My Health Bank單純就是健康資料就好，不要再去做後面其他的兌換等等各式各樣的活動，讓它在資安上也比較好管理，所以它是累積計算積分，要使用的時候，轉到另外一個平臺，這個平臺，我們現在是設定用國健署的Health Go這個平臺去承載，他再跟其他很多商家合作，要產生流水號QR Code去換的時候都在這裡，就不會拿著健康存摺去做這些消費行為，就是讓健康存摺比較單純化。","quality":0.883},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:45:02.397000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:45:10.982000+08:00","text":"資安的部分，其實你可以再去思考一下，它應該也是有機會把它獨立出來，在這個app裡面，看怎麼樣把它區隔出來。","quality":0.771},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:45:10.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:45:11.422000+08:00","text":"好，我們研究看看。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:45:11.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:45:17.844000+08:00","text":"譬如在互動的時候，有哪一些資料是絕對不會被打出去的，我覺得這個部分你們應該思考一下。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:45:17.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:45:30.667000+08:00","text":"要不然你獨立一個，除疊床架屋之外，你要去推廣讓很多人下載，我看都不如你把現在這個app整合好，所以我覺得這個部分你們應該朝向app整合的方式。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:45:31.587000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:45:52.744000+08:00","text":"我最後有個小問題要反映，我們有接獲到很多民眾投訴這個問題，就是在你們健保快易通裡面，如果要登入使用健保卡的功能，就需要用OTP的驗證碼，但是現在它產生了驗證碼之後，又要求要另外用瀏覽器登入，你有沒有覺得這個在操作上有點怪怪的？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:45:58.622000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:46:34.285000+08:00","text":"目前市面上的app都朝向可以直接綁定，就是讓Google甚至是LINE來做串流，如果你說資安有疑慮不做串接，還可以理解，但是你收了驗證碼的功能，我們應該都希望在手機上直接操作，而不是要另外跨到瀏覽器，所以我們在用的時候，常常就是它出了碼之後，我要複製這個OTP的碼，再打開一個瀏覽器，去找到對應的網頁，再輸入進去，它是不是應該可以直接用跳轉就好，因為這樣其實很複雜，像我們辦公室的同仁就有遇到這樣的問題。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:46:34.285000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:46:35.706000+08:00","text":"好，我想那個……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:46:35.846000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:46:38.648000+08:00","text":"部長，這個概念就像是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:46:38.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:46:39.788000+08:00","text":"就像是周星馳的電影，你有沒有看過？","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:46:39.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:46:43.010000+08:00","text":"你有看過那個太陽能手電筒嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:46:43.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:46:51.635000+08:00","text":"就是你不用光照它的時候，它不亮，你要它亮，還要用另外一個手電筒去照它，你等於是多了一層不知道在幹嘛用的功能。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:46:52.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:46:54.236000+08:00","text":"委員提的這個是虛擬健保卡……對。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:46:55.716000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:47:10.061000+08:00","text":"因為它就等同我們的實體健保卡，在就醫的時候使用，所以它需要有一個驗證的流程，但是這個驗證能不能再簡單一點，我們來研究一下，謝謝您給我們指正，這個是虛擬健保卡。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:47:10.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:47:20.325000+08:00","text":"我知道，我剛剛說，就是要使用健保卡功能的時候，要有這個OTP驗證的流程，我們認為要驗證也沒有錯，但是你應該讓它的流程更順一點。","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:47:20.325000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:47:29.749000+08:00","text":"其實我們那個健保app裡面的健康存摺是很簡單，它甚至可以用人臉辨識就可以進去……對啊！","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:47:30.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:47:39.934000+08:00","text":"每一次進去這個很簡單，但是這個虛擬健保卡確實是比較複雜，因為它會連結到後面那些就醫的憑證。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:47:39.934000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:47:47.280000+08:00","text":"可是它都可以掃臉了，就像虹膜技術，這應該已經確保就是你本人了，所以這個流程請你回去檢討一下，好不好？","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:47:47.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:47:49.784000+08:00","text":"給本席辦公室一個書面報告。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:47:49.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:47:53.049000+08:00","text":"好，我們再請健保署研究一下虛擬健保卡這個部分。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:47:53.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:47:56.975000+08:00","text":"對，因為它既然都可以掃臉了，應該就確定是這個人了。是。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-03-18T10:47:58.317000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:47:58.517000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-18T10:47:58.517000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:47:58.617000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:47:58.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:47:58.737000+08:00","text":"謝謝廖偉翔委員，謝謝石崇良部長。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:47:59.237000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:48:00.951286+08:00","text":"現在休息10分鐘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:48:01.251286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:48:02.394143+08:00","text":"休息（10時48分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:48:02.694143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:48:04.408429+08:00","text":"繼續開會（10時59分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:48:04.708429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:48:06.422714+08:00","text":"我們繼續開會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:48:06.722714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:48:09.008429+08:00","text":"請王育敏委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}