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彭主委你覺得該如何處理呢我想這個如果我們去了解一下他背後的一些的內容我想其實我們對於這些支付的部分我會請銀行局去把那個詳細整個的"},{"start":471.266,"end":499.411,"text":"現在是不是先談支中國的這個所謂的支付寶目前台灣是不台灣沒有合法嘛沒有認可吧但是他確實就是在用啦跟委員報告那運用的場景是在跨境支付也就是說今天的會使用到支付寶就是入客來台沒有喔現在台灣的人也在用喔對就是台灣的人如果到大陸去他會被沒有台灣的人在台灣的夜市買東西他有時候也用這個啊"},{"start":501.038,"end":510.895,"text":"你有沒有瞭解 它是一個網站支付只是說這個東西因為沒有透過台灣的金融體系它是透過中國的銀行體系"},{"start":514.4,"end":523.707,"text":"目前我們就是一般路邊攤這種情況等於是類似特電的一個運用那這種情況都還是使用我們國內的電資"},{"start":542.359,"end":566.259,"text":"那問題是支付寶在台灣又沒有合法我想委員的意思是說假設我們國人在大陸他有支付寶的帳戶他在台灣也一樣可以像陸客一樣在支付嘛利用網路啊 說我偷過微信啊你這些東西你如果不去注意它它非法的部分它的比例不是那麼大跟日本比起來差很多 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謝謝委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-03-18T10:45:54+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:45:55+08:00","text":"主席，麻煩請彭主委，還有證交所林董事長、OTC簡董事長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:45:55+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:45:56+08:00","text":"請彭主委、證交所林董事長、OTC簡董事長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:45:56+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:45:57+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-03-18T10:45:54.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:46:46.467000+08:00","text":"剛剛前面有幾位委員都提到市場上所有交易者都希望能夠公平的這個原則，其實最釜底抽薪的辦法，就是不要以千股為交易單位，在西方，尤其是美國的市場，他們是以每股為交易單位，那就不會有零股的問題，無論怎麼交易，就自然都會進到公平的交易領域，這件事情其實也都有人提過，不知道3位的看法如何？","quality":0.89},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:46:48.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:47:03.828000+08:00","text":"我們上次也有回答過這個問題，這是我們要邁入國際資本市場一個非常重要的機制，所以各國的制度我們都要研議，進而促進我們如何跟整個國際化對標，我請交易所說明。","quality":0.803},{"speaker":"林董事長修銘","start":"2026-03-18T10:47:05.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:47:06.310000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林董事長修銘","start":"2026-03-18T10:47:07.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:47:24.188000+08:00","text":"基本上，關於零股跟個股之間，事實上我們也一直在縮短它的差距，包括縮短的時間現在也變成5秒，所以某種程度來講，我們也希望慢慢的往委員所講的國際慣例、以個股的方式來思考。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-03-18T10:47:29.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:47:35.499000+08:00","text":"如果你贊成的話，需要準備或更動什麼東西？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-03-18T10:47:35.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:47:37.180000+08:00","text":"又大概要多久時間？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林董事長修銘","start":"2026-03-18T10:47:38.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:47:55.268000+08:00","text":"基本上來講，證券商的系統要改變，相關的法令要調整，在系統改變的部分，因為我現在沒有現場資料，而大概要多少時間，我想最主要是系統的改變會占比較大的原因、因素。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-03-18T10:47:55.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:47:56.389000+08:00","text":"簡董事長同意嗎？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-03-18T10:47:56.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:47:56.709000+08:00","text":"贊不贊成？","quality":1},{"speaker":"簡董事長立忠","start":"2026-03-18T10:48:00.469000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:48:31.945000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，其實國內的交易制度採千股制已經運行很久，當時我們也有討論要不要增加零股的交易，當然，因為有一些高價股或者股利配股的零股交易存在，所以我們希望讓零股交易能夠方便一點，但其實委員你應該也有注意到，現在我們的交易依然是以千股作為基本……對啦！","quality":0.772},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-03-18T10:48:32.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:48:48.584000+08:00","text":"我的意思是說，如果取消以千股為單位，就是跟美國接軌，一樣以個股為交易，那就沒有什麼零股跟整張交易之間的所謂剛剛前面幾個委員提到的時間點、融資什麼各方面的問題，如果做這樣的改變，你贊不贊成？","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"簡董事長立忠","start":"2026-03-18T10:48:57.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:50:01.962000+08:00","text":"如果像委員講的把它變成一套，這個我是贊成，但其實我們也考慮到一個問題，就是我們臺灣的股票單價有的並不是那麼高，把它切成零股以後，單位會變成很碎，另外一個就是在交易實務上，如果都是用零股，我們之前還有很多是用電話交易，還有一些大單有專人在處理，如果改為用零股去接，它的工作量還有整個處理的process會變得很繁瑣，所以當初零股一開始推出來的時候，是完全用電子交易，就是在電子上key交易，這個部分我覺得系統很快就可以調整，也可以調整成一致，但是在轉換的過程當中，實務上還是要考慮怎麼把它轉化，讓外界不管是用電話、電腦或手機交易的，都可以一併適用。","quality":0.916},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-03-18T10:50:03.322000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:50:18.470000+08:00","text":"剛剛證交所林董事長是說原則上贊成，但是在系統轉變的過程中，要有很多準備階段，現在是問這個前提，彭主委，我剛剛這樣講的，你聽得懂我的意思嗎？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:50:18.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:50:18.950000+08:00","text":"我當然理解。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-03-18T10:50:19.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:50:20.651000+08:00","text":"往這個方向走，你們贊不贊成？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:50:22.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:50:40.404000+08:00","text":"我剛才講，方向是這樣走，其實兩位董事長都提到一個很現實的問題，我覺得方向是對的，但我們過去長期以來的交易習慣牽涉到非常多的投資人，我想系統更改不是困難，但更改以後所產生的影響，要怎麼避免這些結果會不會產生一些後遺症？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:50:40.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:51:03.502000+08:00","text":"剛才兩位董事長都說了，整個交易習慣這麼久，很多人都是以千股為單位，突然改變以後，比如剛剛提到的，用電話下單、網路下單，他以為輸一個數字大概代表什麼含意，可能比較需要一段時間去調整，這部分他們要去推演，就是過去長遠的交易習慣累積出來以後，要做這樣的調整，需要比較仔細的評估，我想這部分……","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-03-18T10:51:04.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:51:06.265000+08:00","text":"所以你們連評估都還沒有評估？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:51:06.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:51:07.326000+08:00","text":"沒有，他們現在在評估。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-03-18T10:51:08.787000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:51:10.008000+08:00","text":"方向上你贊不贊成？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:51:10.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:51:14.052000+08:00","text":"我剛才講了，對標國際的做法一定是未來的方向。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-03-18T10:51:14.578000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:51:20.622000+08:00","text":"好，如果這樣，你可不可以讓我們了解你們整備的這些東西，時程大概要多久？","quality":0.935},{"speake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Pay這些我們有控管的占大部分，我現在跟你講的，如果你去市場、夜市用支付寶付帳，他也收啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-03-18T10:54:47.163000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:54:56.619000+08:00","text":"你去調查一下就知道啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-03-18T10:54:56.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:54:58.141000+08:00","text":"問題是支付寶在臺灣又沒有合法。","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:54:58.501000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:55:08.349000+08:00","text":"對，我想委員的意思是說，假設國人在大陸有支付寶帳戶，他在臺灣可以像陸客一樣支付……","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-03-18T10:55:09.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:55:35.852000+08:00","text":"他是利用網路，所以我說有透過微信，這些東西如果你不去注意，當然它非法的部分比例不是那麼大，跟日本比起來也差很多，但如果這個東西有在用的話，就是有一個洞在那邊，你要抓洗錢防制，但這個你根本管不到，它就在中國的金融體系裡，然後通訊也是用中國的網路，你要怎麼稽查？","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-03-18T10:55:36.093000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:55:36.213000+08:00","text":"你也沒辦法啊！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:55:39.535000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:55:49.704000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，可不可以容我們時間，我們先了解一下日本他們關切的內容，再來比對我們臺灣的情形，如果有類似狀況，我們看看要怎麼先了解再來……","quality":0.817},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-03-18T10:55:50.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:56:28.210000+08:00","text":"有一個問題我以前質詢過，也很贊同，就是無論怎麼樣接受電子支付，商家都不可以拒絕現金，日本因為有一些商家拒絕現金交易，所以就變成很多支付必須倚靠電子支付，電子支付是好是壞尚有爭論，但我在這邊再一次強調我的主張，就算電子支付很通行的地方，也不可以拒絕現金支付，這樣才能確保新臺幣體系可以穩健繼續強大下去。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-03-18T10:56:28.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:56:28.770000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝你。","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-18T10:56:29.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:56:29.030000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:56:29.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:56:29.050000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝吳秉叡委員。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:56:29.550000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:56:31.264286+08:00","text":"現在休息5分鐘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:56:31.564286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:56:32.707143+08:00","text":"休息（10時56分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:56:33.007143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:56:34.721429+08:00","text":"繼續開會（11時2分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（吳委員秉叡）","start":"2026-03-18T10:56:35.021429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:56:36.735714+08:00","text":"現在繼續開會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（吳委員秉叡）","start":"2026-03-18T10:56:37.035714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:56:40.750000+08:00","text":"下一位質詢委員請顏寬恒委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}