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Kacaw委員","start":"2026-03-18T10:53:49.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:54:07.013000+08:00","text":"部長，因為你要成立一個基金，基本上過去整個案例或是法律都會透過一個……你要成立一個基金，農安基金或是你們也有其他的基金……","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:54:07.193000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:54:26.038000+08:00","text":"沒有，我跟委員報告，我們是一個計畫型的基金，它不是一個像農發、農損、農債的基金，計畫型基金就像養豬百億基金這樣子，這個基金本身，我們的經費會用特別額度預算裡面的經費，然後放在我們原來的農發、農損基金裡面去支應。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-03-18T10:54:26.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:54:27.378000+08:00","text":"原來是這樣，好，那我了解。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-03-18T10:54:29.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:54:40.566000+08:00","text":"接下來，最後一個議題了，也請漁業署跟林保署，林業署嗎？","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-03-18T10:54:40.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:54:41.707000+08:00","text":"現在名稱都改來改去……","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:54:41.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:54:41.707000+08:00","text":"林保署。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:54:42.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:54:42.927000+08:00","text":"林業保育署。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:54:43.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:54:44.548000+08:00","text":"林保署、漁業署署長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-03-18T10:54:44.548000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:54:45.008000+08:00","text":"林業保育署，兩個署長請一起上來。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:54:45.008000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:54:49.472000+08:00","text":"署長不在嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:54:49.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:54:58.326000+08:00","text":"署長，開會期間，林保署署長，開會期間不能隨便離席，有委員質詢的時候，你不在，這樣不好。好。","quality":0.649},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-03-18T10:54:59.547000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:55:18.642000+08:00","text":"野生動物保育法，這個法律已經很久了，第二十一條之一寫得很清楚，原住民族基於其傳統文化祭儀或非營利之用，而有獵捕、宰殺或利用野生動物之必要者，不受這幾條野保法規定的限制。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-03-18T10:55:20.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:55:26.666000+08:00","text":"從第一句話到最後一句話，都沒有提到原住民族地區，都沒有提到。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-03-18T10:55:28.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:55:42.660000+08:00","text":"接下來第五十一條之一也是一樣，也沒有提到，它只有談原住民族，而且還提到「但首次違反者，不罰」。","quality":0.775},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-03-18T10:55:44.741000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:56:03.244000+08:00","text":"都會區原住民的人口已占全體原住民人口達到52.63%，這個是有設戶籍的，如果加上沒有設戶籍，然後在都會區就學、就業的，絕對是達到70%以上。","quality":0.845},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-03-18T10:56:06.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:56:14.489000+08:00","text":"我們看原住民族基本法第二十三條也規定政府應尊重原住民族選擇生活方式。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-03-18T10:56:15.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:57:03.351000+08:00","text":"也就是他會遷移，他工作或是就業、就學都會遷移；再來，我們看海洋基本法第三條「應」，政府應怎麼樣、怎麼樣，然後要保障維護各族群之海洋權益；第十條規定保障傳承原住民族傳統用海文化及權益；第十六條規定108年11月20日公布施行之後，兩年內要修相關法律，沒有修的話，第二項規定要解釋，可以透過解釋。","quality":0.813},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-03-18T10:57:04.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:57:40.549000+08:00","text":"因為主席已經站起來了，最後一句話，請比照106年6月23日有關漁業法第四十四條第一項的解釋令，依海洋基本法跟漁業法做解釋，完全一樣，你只要把原住民族地區這幾個字拿掉，也就是包含了都會區，你要加「都會區」這幾個字更好。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-03-18T10:57:40.549000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:57:42.224000+08:00","text":"部長，這個趕快……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:57:42.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:57:48.027000+08:00","text":"第一個，我們已經針對這個法令也曾經解釋過，您所提到這個個案……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-03-18T10:57:48.268000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:57:56.332000+08:00","text":"對，這個是早期的，現在因為海洋基本法是108年新公布施行的，好不好？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:57:56.332000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:57:57.412000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:57:57.412000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:58:05.097000+08:00","text":"不過我想我們會尊重原住民的傳統文化，但是相關的這些捕撈一定要去認定是傳統文化，而不是私自濫捕……","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-03-18T10:58:05.097000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:58:06.097000+08:00","text":"當然、當然！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T10:58:05.538000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:58:07.439000+08:00","text":"所以這個部分，我想我們會慎重的考慮。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-03-18T10:58:07.439000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:58:07.599000+08:00","text":"對，當然、當然。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-03-18T10:58:07.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:58:07.899000+08:00","text":"好不好？謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:58:07.899000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:58:07.999000+08:00","text":"謝謝鄭天財委員。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:58:07.999000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:58:08.179000+08:00","text":"鄭委員，你最後一句話講了二十句話。","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:58:08.679000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:58:16.107571+08:00","text":"部長先回座，列席的官員不要隨意離席，因為有委員隨時會質詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:58:16.407571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:58:19.550429+08:00","text":"下一位質詢請謝衣鳯委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}