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比較遲到跟銅牌 價值又那麼高結果我們在幫助農民的不是高價收購 我們是用另外一種進球我跟吳元博說 你說的土豆 你還回去說 因為你講起我來講 當年的108年的花生的收購變成花生之亂 變成說 進屋在收的時候 裡面有土角"},{"start":277.583,"end":282.545,"text":"有已經發霉的花生所以用保駕收工是最好的相對我現在在說這是過去人有這樣做過所以當你的年紀你沒有希望保駕收工我尊重我尊重我也希望你也要想一個進程我們有其他的配套"},{"start":297.529,"end":299.932,"text":"還有一個最重要的,我這幾天一直接到電話,就是農民靠外農民,你告訴我,我們這個未來的收工絕對不可以這個高潮的經濟是要直接到農民那裡,不可以到外鄉那裡"},{"start":313.928,"end":331.514,"text":"其實我們可以基礎在這個天然災害構造以這個各專屬的面積或是各專屬的面積我們直接下去構造下去在農民那裡我跟農民報告我跟農民報告我跟農民報告我跟農民報告我跟農民報告我跟農民報告我跟農民報告我跟農民報告我跟農民報告我跟農民報告我跟農民報告我跟農民報告我跟農民報告我跟農民報告我跟農民報告我跟農民報告我跟農民報告我跟農民報告我跟農民報告我跟農民報告我跟農民報告我跟農民報告我跟農民報告我跟農民報告我跟農民報告我跟"},{"start":339.357,"end":344.319,"text":"接下來的問題不是直接給錢給農民啦因為錢給農民就會變成之前的花生之亂所以我會用其他的方式來協助讓這個價格能夠穩定這個措施很快就會公布了這個很快就會公布了不是啊 你要大家討論好事不然我會當當一個公告下去跟他們起到整個市場大亂"},{"start":364.666,"end":379.047,"text":"我跟委員報告我們的改良中我們的農糧數的分數包括我本身很多農民都有跟我聯絡所以這個部分我想我們提出來的方案應該可以做一些價格穩定的措施"},{"start":379.628,"end":383.233,"text":"好,這樣再請國長,我們如果這個方式最好,先可以讓我們知道一下我們會盡快的會公告好,稍後,我們育農民會看你委員席,這樣好不好?對,我剛剛說的,一定是照顧我們農民好,謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:35:15.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:35:16.173000+08:00","text":"感謝召委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:35:16.173000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:35:17.333000+08:00","text":"我請陳部長。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T11:35:17.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:35:17.593000+08:00","text":"請農業部陳部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:35:17.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:35:17.713000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T11:35:17.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:35:17.753000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:35:26.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:35:30.841000+08:00","text":"今年本會期總質詢輪到我的時候，部長剛好請假，針對我們雲林很多農業問題沒辦法一一和你討論，剛好趁這次經濟委員會來這裡和你討論。","quality":0.483},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:35:30.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:35:32.021000+08:00","text":"前二天我有和張嘉郡委員去土庫看大蒜的病蟲害。","quality":0.381},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:35:32.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:35:56.307000+08:00","text":"初步看來是紅蜘蛛影響蒜頭的生長，現場看到很多蒜苗都已經枯黃，果也沒辦法生長，就是營養分沒辦法到達果實，蒜頭也變小。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:36:17.979000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:36:21.104000+08:00","text":"同樣一分地如果正常收成，有可能收成3,000至3,500斤，現在有可能變成1,000至1,500斤而已。","quality":0.424},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:36:21.325000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:36:21.645000+08:00","text":"就這個部分，農業部要如何協助農民？","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T11:36:32.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:36:42.812000+08:00","text":"第一點，大蒜其實是雲林非常重要的產業，但在它收成的時候受到一些蟲害，如紅蜘蛛還有薊馬的影響。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T11:36:43.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:36:51.742000+08:00","text":"我想離收成前還有一個月，還有機會救，就是讓它持續的肥大，改良場已經成立一個輔導團進去協助。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T11:36:51.862000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:36:59.629000+08:00","text":"第二點，相對來說今年的面積有增加，這是一點。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T11:36:59.629000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:37:20.946000+08:00","text":"那增加的部分本身，但是因為產量可能有點減少，所以整個價格……可能有一部分是去年的大蒜還有一些庫存，進口的大蒜還有一些庫存，種種的因素導致目前的價格不是很穩定，特別是這些行口都比較不願意進場。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T11:37:23.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:37:38.552000+08:00","text":"以農業部的立場來說，我不會啟動任何的保價收購，因為保價收購是一個退步的象徵，但是我們會用其他的方式來協助業者，協助農民去確保他的基本收入跟價格。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:37:42.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:37:44.475000+08:00","text":"部長，那天我質詢，是胡次長代表你在立法院答詢，那時候院長也在。","quality":0.407},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:37:44.735000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:37:46.958000+08:00","text":"他有跟我保證要用27元以上來保價收購，現在部長推翻胡次長和院長點頭說要協助農民的說法？","quality":0.487},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T11:37:47.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:38:07.739000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，胡次長說的部分，基本上不是……","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:38:07.739000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:38:08.739000+08:00","text":"他難道沒有跟你討論過，才說這個數字出來？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T11:38:07.819000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:38:10.121000+08:00","text":"他不是用保價收購，保價收購是政府出面去收，我跟委員報告……","quality":0.56},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:38:10.121000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:38:11.121000+08:00","text":"可是雲林縣已經設定5個盤商要來收這些蒜頭了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T11:38:10.981000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:38:32.740000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我的立場，我絕對不會啟動保價收購，任何委員或任何人要求都不會！","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T11:38:32.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:38:33.500000+08:00","text":"但是我會……","quality":1},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:38:33.500000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:38:34.500000+08:00","text":"為什麼？","quality":0},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:38:33.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:38:38.121000+08:00","text":"部長，我現在跟你請教，為什麼你的立場不啟用保價收購？","quality":0.696},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:38:38.121000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:38:39.121000+08:00","text":"為什麼？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T11:38:38.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:38:41.762000+08:00","text":"我不會用保價收購，但是我會用其他的方式來協助。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:38:42.042000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:38:43.662000+08:00","text":"其他的方式是什麼方式？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T11:38:44.043000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:38:46.763000+08:00","text":"其他的方式，我想我們很快就會來宣布。","quality":1},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:38:47.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:38:53.985000+08:00","text":"我跟部長說一個歷史，過去有一次選舉的時候，土豆的價格不好，那時候陳吉仲主委有辦法直接喊40元保價收購，他直接喊40元保價收購。","quality":0.463},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:38:54.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:14.691000+08:00","text":"為什麼今年大蒜進口量那麼大，種植面積也很多，卻碰到病蟲害，價格又那麼差，結果要幫助農民的不是保價收購，而是用另外一種政策？","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:14.691000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:15.691000+08:00","text":"我這幾天……","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:14.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:15.892000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，你說的土豆……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:15.892000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:16.892000+08:00","text":"土豆是以前的事。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:16.052000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:16.632000+08:00","text":"因為你講所以我也要講，108年當年花生的收購變成花生之亂！","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:16.712000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:43.984000+08:00","text":"政府在收的時候，裡面有土石、有發霉的花生，所以用保價收購是退步的象徵。","quality":0.71},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:44.064000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:44.404000+08:00","text":"部長，「歹勢」，我現在講的是過去的例子，人家有這樣做過。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:44.404000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:45.984000+08:00","text":"所以按照你的立場，你不希望保價收購，我尊重，但也希望你要想出一個政策，看要怎麼樣來協助農民。","quality":0.488},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:46.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:46.525000+08:00","text":"我們有其他的配套。","quality":1},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:40:01.529000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:40:02.350000+08:00","text":"還有一項最重要的，我這幾天一直接到電話，就是農民打給我的。","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:40:02.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:40:03.932000+08:00","text":"農民跟我說如果要來收購，這個補助的經費是要直接到農民那裡，不要到盤商那裡。","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:40:17.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:40:20.909000+08:00","text":"也就是我們可以比照天然災害補助，以各轉作的面積或是各轉作的名冊直接補助給農民，這個部分我向部長建議。","quality":0.468},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T11:40:20.909000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:40:43.617000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我的判斷跟我最後的方式就是讓價格可以穩定。","quality":0.28},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T11:40:43.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:40:46.198000+08:00","text":"價格穩定不是直接把錢給農民，因為錢給農民就會變成之前的「花生之亂」，所以我會用其他的方式來協助，讓價格能夠穩定，這個措施很快就會公布了。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:40:46.198000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:40:47.198000+08:00","text":"你們大概什麼時候會把這個方式……","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T11:40:46.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:40:46.758000+08:00","text":"很快就會公布了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:40:46.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:40:46.958000+08:00","text":"不是啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:40:47.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:40:48.319000+08:00","text":"你要讓大家討論好，不要莽莽撞撞公告下去，然後引起整個市場大亂。","quality":0.679},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:09.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:16.818000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們的改良場，還有農糧署分署，包括我本身，很多農民都有跟我聯絡……","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:16.818000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:17.818000+08:00","text":"召委，歹勢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:16.818000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:23.027000+08:00","text":"所以這個部分，我想我們提出來的方案應該是可以讓價格穩定的措施。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:23.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:24.870000+08:00","text":"好，部長，如果這個方式是最好的，是不是可以讓我們知道一下？","quality":0.76},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:24.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:25.030000+08:00","text":"我們會儘快地公告。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:25.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:26.292000+08:00","text":"好，再拜託，我們以農民的權利為原則好嗎？","quality":0.353},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:26.672000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:27.193000+08:00","text":"對，我剛才說了，一定是照顧我們的農民。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"丁委員學忠","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:27.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:27.233000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:27.733000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:31.16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