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照你這樣講我們台灣不是說都有非洲豬是我們地中沒有這樣我們現在是全境內包括除以我們在邊境管制也很嚴格嘛所以我們一定會確保我們的養豬場跟他的生活安全"},{"start":350.263,"end":353.605,"text":"這部分我想我們會一直跟環境部來做討論好 先要一句話 現在風災要再來你昨天給我答應說現在補助不可以用那千分之二十%做標準我跟你們報告 我們這邊一定有提供"},{"start":369.495,"end":370.176,"text":"你久了就久了喔"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-03-18T12:04:48.989000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:04:49.189000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-03-18T12:04:49.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:04:51.370000+08:00","text":"請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:04:51.370000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:04:52.370000+08:00","text":"請農業部陳部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-03-18T12:04:52.370000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:04:53.370000+08:00","text":"還有畜牧司。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:04:52.771000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:04:59.636000+08:00","text":"畜牧司司長。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:04:59.816000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:04:59.816000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-03-18T12:05:02.781000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:05:07.902000+08:00","text":"部長，昨天總質詢時呂玉玲委員有問到黑豬的事情。對。","quality":0.591},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-03-18T12:05:08.702000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:05:10.763000+08:00","text":"我現在明確地問你，因為我時間有限。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-03-18T12:05:10.943000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:05:28.927000+08:00","text":"你說業者希望可以保留那些蒸煮設備在他們的場裡面，但是你希望他們都拆掉，你要用公用的，就是北中南要用大型蒸煮，大型的蒸煮設備現在有了嗎？","quality":0.661},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:05:31.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:05:41.203000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，未來不管是廚餘或是下腳料的部分，它不是純粹只是蒸煮就去餵豬，我希望它變成一個循環再利用的飼料。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:05:41.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:05:48.245000+08:00","text":"因為要有規格、要有品規，後面的市場才會做得起來，所以不是純粹用蒸煮的方式。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:05:49.145000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:06:00.650000+08:00","text":"第二個就是在場域裡面如果讓它保留的時候，相對的，一旦保留，以後就有可能有風險，特別在鄉下地方要收廚餘是很容易收的。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:06:01.431000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:06:10.658000+08:00","text":"如果有蒸煮設備，屆時會讓非洲豬瘟更難控制，像我們這次對於非洲豬瘟的處理至少超過70億左右。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:06:11.478000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:06:17.803000+08:00","text":"如果一個農民違反了遊戲規則，並不是只有他受害而已，是整個產業受害，所以我們會用比較嚴謹……","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-03-18T12:06:17.963000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:06:18.804000+08:00","text":"我也要跟你說一個重點，目前黑豬都在屏東那邊……","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:06:18.804000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:06:22.444000+08:00","text":"小豬仔。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-03-18T12:06:22.444000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:06:26.084000+08:00","text":"在那裡從小豬仔開始養出來。對。","quality":0.077},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-03-18T12:06:26.084000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:06:29.724000+08:00","text":"現在這些供應小豬仔的都做不下去了，在那邊哀哀叫，你們的司長是斬釘截鐵跟我說的，部長，你要宣示一下，到底你現在是要把這些黑豬給幹掉，叫他們都不要養了嗎？","quality":0.294},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-03-18T12:06:29.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:06:30.284000+08:00","text":"還是有想要保留好的品種？","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-03-18T12:06:46.025000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:06:54.894000+08:00","text":"這是在全世界和鹿兒島、伊比利半島並列前三名的，你們的心態是怎麼樣？","quality":0.633},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:06:55.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:07:03.903000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，依農業部的立場，黑豬的整個養成可以有更好的效率。","quality":0.704},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:07:04.504000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:07:11.786000+08:00","text":"不管是土黑豬、大黑豬以及我們畜試所的黑豬，都是黑豬！","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:07:12.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:07:35.917000+08:00","text":"我們也有跟養黑豬的產業討論，他們說希望做一些品種改良，因為豬本身是二系或三系雜交，所以我們一定會讓黑豬產業繼續維持著，但是它的飼料化成本能夠降低，不像白豬一樣，還有它的養成率也不要拖到一年多或一年半，希望能夠再縮短，這個部分我們已經成立輔導團隊去處理了。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-03-18T12:07:37.418000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:07:43.822000+08:00","text":"你有辦法將它的生長期再縮短三個月，你的意思是這樣嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:07:43.822000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:07:54.930000+08:00","text":"我們的飼料配方有這個機會，另外透過品種的引進，就是你剛才說的將一些品種引進跟我們的土黑豬雜交產生後代，這個有機會讓它的換肉率會提高。","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-03-18T12:07:56.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:07:56.932000+08:00","text":"所以現在養到15、16個月實在是太久了。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:07:57.212000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:07:59.313000+08:00","text":"太長了，錢的周轉率也很多。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-03-18T12:07:59.594000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:08:06.540000+08:00","text":"所以他們做得很辛苦，你們有要把這個行業保留、要再加強、要用飼料配方再提升？","qualit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Virus，它是雙股的，必須要達到80度、100度的溫度才會死。對。","quality":0.565},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-03-18T12:09:33.358000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:09:35.979000+08:00","text":"環境部也在說，現在這些家庭廚餘裡面有水、有什麼，就這樣全部放到焚化爐，在焚化爐裡滴、滴、滴，滴下去的水用污水去處理，處理好之後就排放出去。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-03-18T12:09:46.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:09:54.045000+08:00","text":"污水處理要用細菌分解，頂多五、六十度，去發酵也差不多是五、六十度，這樣病毒不會死喔！","quality":0.611},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-03-18T12:09:54.465000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:10:00.228000+08:00","text":"不會死之後這些水流出去，像屏東、高雄地區常常在淹水，一旦淹水就一直流、一直流、一直流，流到白豬場，到時候連白豬都死了！","quality":0.392},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-03-18T12:10:00.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:10:14.288000+08:00","text":"所以用發酵的方法不靠譜啦！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:10:14.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:10:25.118000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，照你這樣說，我們臺灣並不是都有非洲豬瘟，只是我們的豬場沒有而已，我們現在是全境內，包括廚餘及我們的邊境管制都很嚴格。","quality":0.763},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:10:25.979000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:10:31.084000+08:00","text":"所以我們一定會確保我們的養豬場跟它的生物安全，這部分我們會一直跟環境部討論。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-03-18T12:10:31.084000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:10:32.765000+08:00","text":"好，最後一句話就好，現在颱風又要來了，上次你已經答應我現在補助不能用成本的20%當做標準。","quality":0.564},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:10:32.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:10:32.945000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-03-18T12:10:33.445000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:10:35.445000+08:00","text":"要提高、提高、提高！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:10:35.745000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:10:54.887857+08:00","text":"我們這次已經有提高了，特別是針對多年期的的作物，我們還會有第二次，本來是第一次補助之後，第二次就沒有了，但是我們第二次還有加碼補助，我們已經預告了。","quality":0.119},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-03-18T12:10:55.187857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:10:57.187857+08:00","text":"好，謝謝主席。謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:10:57.487857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:11:00.630714+08:00","text":"下一位質詢請郭昱晴委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}