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境外在海關擋下來就是海關會處理那如果說進到我們的本島裡面的境內現在就是境外的也要當地的政府部長跟你講實話機場的話就是當地的縣市政府可是他是屬於境外的"},{"start":507.045,"end":510.508,"text":"他已經入關了他並沒有出關在入關檢驗的時候發生的所以境外跟境內的處理是不是應該要分開來講所以我請你回去研究這個偽農藥的境外是不是防檢局要來讓全國的收集起來因為本土的偽農藥的話是比較少"},{"start":527.984,"end":544.659,"text":"那境外的話是比較多所以處理的方式是不是你們研究一下看怎麼處理會比較清明性的我回去了解境外入關以後到底要怎麼樣的境外跟境內是不一樣的好請部長都對這方面研究讓我們的這個偽農藥能夠徹底的處理好了解謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:24:37.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:24:37.228000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:24:37.228000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:24:38.228000+08:00","text":"請陳部長、漁業署王署長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:24:37.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:24:48.560000+08:00","text":"請農業部陳部長、漁業署王署長。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:24:48.560000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:24:49.560000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:24:48.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:25:22.389000+08:00","text":"部長、署長，因為政府大力在推動能源轉型，又受限於土地跟地理環境的因素，要大規模的發展太陽能發電的話會非常的困難，所以他們就在魚塭上面加裝光電板，叫做漁電共生。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:25:23.369000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:25:23.829000+08:00","text":"剛剛部長說了漁電共生不會變漁電脫鉤，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:25:23.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:25:25.210000+08:00","text":"請再重申一次。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:25:25.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:25:26.370000+08:00","text":"漁電共生的政策不會變。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:25:26.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:25:26.390000+08:00","text":"不會變？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:25:26.390000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:25:27.390000+08:00","text":"不會變。","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:25:26.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:25:26.470000+08:00","text":"不會變漁電脫鉤？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:25:26.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:25:27.010000+08:00","text":"為什麼要這樣問我們部長？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:25:27.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:25:31.651000+08:00","text":"因為地方上很多漁業團體、業者都在反映他們養殖魚塭的生產受到非常大的影響，你們有沒有去調查？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:25:50.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:26:06.354000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，我們從過去漁電共生的案例場來看的話，就是有很多東西因為漁民不夠了解，而光電業者在蓋的時候沒有考慮到漁業作業的經營方式……","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:26:06.634000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:26:07.695000+08:00","text":"部長，你說到這邊，我想先請教你，他必須要經過農業許可，再取得興建許可執照，對不對？是。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:26:07.695000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:26:23.505000+08:00","text":"所以你們漁業這邊要有條件、有但書，要告訴他們所有的規範，為什麼他們興建、加蓋太陽能板的時候會不符合規格呢？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:26:23.925000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:26:28.450000+08:00","text":"你說到不符合規格的話，本席又要再提醒你，現在查核的合法案場大概有269件……沒有！","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:26:28.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:26:29.691000+08:00","text":"不符合規格的有117件，這117件掌握了沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:26:29.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:26:30.211000+08:00","text":"他們不符合的原因是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:26:36.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:26:37.959000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，總共有298個案場，已經查了91%、269件。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:26:37.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:26:40.140000+08:00","text":"269件裡面有35場（約13%）是被廢止的，另外有101件是通過的，而您剛才講的117件是待改善，待改善的樣態非常多。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:26:40.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:26:40.341000+08:00","text":"是要改善的，請問已經改善了嗎？","quality":0.385},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:26:40.341000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:27:04.559000+08:00","text":"不是，我要跟委員報告，待改善不是沒有養魚，待改善是可能他養殖的魚種跟經營計畫不一樣……","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:27:04.559000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:27:05.700000+08:00","text":"我知道，叫漁電共生就一定有養魚，但是他的生產受到影響，生產下降，養殖業就無法生存！","quality":0.694},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:27:05.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:27:06.481000+08:00","text":"不是，這有非常多的樣態，可能魚種養的不一樣……魚種？","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:27:06.481000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:27:06.741000+08:00","text":"現在養的魚種是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:27:07.602000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:27:07.742000+08:00","text":"虱目魚、吳郭魚、石斑魚？","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:27:07.74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":"2026-03-18T12:30:02.688000+08:00","text":"我們漁業署有系統性的去調查，相關養殖面積的減少不是因為光電而不養，因為光電而不養的只有幾千公頃而已。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:30:03.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:30:10.852000+08:00","text":"部長，你如果有真心深入去瞭解，就要知道養殖業經過漁電共生之後有沒有實質的效益？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:30:11.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:30:12.773000+08:00","text":"結果實質的效益就是數據會說話，面積減少了，生產也下降了，這個你們要怎麼樣去輔導？","quality":0.611},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:30:12.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:30:13.474000+08:00","text":"所以外面才會傳是假養殖真種電！","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:30:13.815000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:30:32.562000+08:00","text":"沒有，我覺得這樣的比喻就好像我邊看電視轉播比賽邊燙熨斗，結果比賽輸了後衣服燒掉了一樣，這個東西不能把它硬扯到有相關性。","quality":0.745},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:30:33.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:30:40.634000+08:00","text":"都是原因之一，部長，你的比喻我也不能接受，我跟你講養殖業，這跟你看電視沒有關係！","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:30:41.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:30:42.596000+08:00","text":"好，我們回歸這個主題……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:30:43.998000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:30:46.580000+08:00","text":"我的意思是說，任何兩個東西你要去做相關性一定有關係……","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:30:46.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:30:47.721000+08:00","text":"都有它的因素存在。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:30:47.941000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:30:49.162000+08:00","text":"但是它有沒有意義？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:30:49.162000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:30:50.223000+08:00","text":"這兩個相關有沒有意義？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:30:50.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:31:02.612000+08:00","text":"以前沒有漁電共生的時候，養殖業都還不錯，生產都很好，就因為漁電共生發生了這個問題，所以我們要請專家來瞭解研究，是不是……","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:31:02.612000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:31:03.612000+08:00","text":"謝謝，我瞭解。","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:31:02.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:31:17.277000+08:00","text":"剛剛部長提到有117家還待改善，沒有改善才會造成某種原因，是不是我們不知道，好，我接受你的不知道，但是你要去研究瞭解及輔導幫助這些養殖業的生計生存。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:31:17.758000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:31:20.278000+08:00","text":"一定會，我們一定會輔導。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:31:20.799000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:31:31.950000+08:00","text":"我再次強調，從光電開始實施以後往前看10年，它的面積也會浮動，那個浮動其實是一個產銷……","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:31:32.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:31:34.352000+08:00","text":"浮動是有增有減，但現在是連續三年都下降！","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:31:34.352000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:31:35.813000+08:00","text":"沒有，你如果看五年的話又不一定喔！","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:31:35.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:31:36.633000+08:00","text":"實際的數字在這邊啦！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:31:36.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:31:39.335000+08:00","text":"所以要5年、10年的長期判斷。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:31:39.335000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:31:40.796000+08:00","text":"部長，請你去關心。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:31:41.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:31:42.417000+08:00","text":"我會關心，謝謝委員的提醒。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:31:42.457000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:31:42.957000+08:00","text":"所以你也強調了絕對不會漁電脫鉤啦，不要到時候真的是在種電而已！","quality":0.517},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:31:45.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:31:50.203000+08:00","text":"不會，漁電共生這個結果一定會堅持的。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:31:50.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:32:02.093000+08:00","text":"好，本席再請教部長，現在有偽農藥，針對於偽農藥，如果是在地的部分，都是當地政府在做處理，是不是？是。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:32:02.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:32:08.939000+08:00","text":"如果是境外的部分，你們的防檢局、你們的檢驗局是不是要負擔起這個責任？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:32:11.776000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:32:24.464000+08:00","text":"如果是境外的就是透過走私，對於走私，海關會來處理，我們農業部及海委會都會共同成立這樣一個打擊的團體。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:32:25.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:32:26.525000+08:00","text":"是，但是偽農藥怎麼處理？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:32:28.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:32:28.929000+08:00","text":"地方政府啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:32:30.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:32:32.112000+08:00","text":"我問的是境外的，一般在國內的話是屬於各地方政府去處理……","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:32:32.112000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:32:35.216000+08:00","text":"沒有，境外的是進到哪個縣市就由那個縣市去處理。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:32:35.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:32:42.384000+08:00","text":"不是，各地方政府發現的話，在地的、在我們臺灣境內的當然是由地方政府來處理。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:32:43.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:32:44.506000+08:00","text":"現在是說從國外進來、坐飛機進來，境外的這些偽農藥。","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:32:46.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:32:55.579000+08:00","text":"沒有，境外的如果海關擋下來了就是海關處理，如果進到我們的本島裡面的境內……","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:32:55.579000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:32:57.702000+08:00","text":"沒有，現在就是境外的也要當地政府……","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:33:00.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:33:01.707000+08:00","text":"如果是機場的話，就是當地的縣市政府。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:33:02.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:33:03.329000+08:00","text":"可是它是屬於境外的，我請部長……","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:33:04.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:33:04.225000+08:00","text":"它已經入關了啊！","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:33:04.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:33:05.406000+08:00","text":"部長，這個你要去研究，它並沒有入關，是在檢驗的時候發現的，所以境外跟境內的處理是不是應該要分開來？","quality":0.705},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:33:05.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:33:06.948000+08:00","text":"所以我請你回去研究，這個偽農藥的境外部分是不是防檢局要把全國的蒐集起來？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:33:06.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:33:30.209000+08:00","text":"因為本土的偽農藥比較少，境外的比較多，所以處理的方式是不是請你們研究一下看要怎麼處理會比較全面性，請研究一下，好不好？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:33:30.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:33:33.532000+08:00","text":"好，我想我回去瞭解境外入關以後到底要用怎麼樣方式。","quality":0.696},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-03-18T12:33:33.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:33:41.098000+08:00","text":"對，境外跟境內是不一樣的，請部長對這方面去研究一下，讓我們的偽農藥能夠澈底的處理。謝謝。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:33:41.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:33:41.639000+08:00","text":"好，瞭解。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:33:42.139000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:33:45.567571+08:00","text":"謝謝呂玉玲委員，部長先回座。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:33:45.867571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:33:49.010429+08:00","text":"下一位質詢請洪孟楷委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}