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agent慢慢的走向AI軟體那都有很多的基礎點我們希望數位部可以扮演著撥畫器的一個角色回到我們剛才的問題嘛就只有40片為什麼會只有40片可不可以簡單講一下"},{"start":246.944,"end":268.851,"text":"就是本來我們在去年我們是希望再增購100片的GPU算力可是很不幸的就是我們那個素產署的預算都被刪掉就提出大概是40萬被刪20萬所以那個地方部分我們就沒辦法增加我們的算力其實部長我要講這件事情我認為這不是跟在野黨的競爭不是零和遊戲"},{"start":270.131,"end":291.246,"text":"其實你聽到很多的在野黨的委員都一直在提到說我們算力要增加我們算力要投資要加倍但你投資要加倍的時候你預算減少你怎麼投資加倍就是在邏輯上面沒有邏輯的嘛除非他們走到量子力學就是他既要加倍然後又要減少同時存在但是他胡說八道嘛不可能出在這種狀況嘛對不對所以我們是希望說"},{"start":296.158,"end":311.309,"text":"有更多的機會來去因為把各個我們在野黨的委員們所提高他們想要達成的目的他們想要達成是算力加倍是可是他們提出來的方案是減少預算這是不符合的把它整理出來一一的跟社會溝通"},{"start":312.31,"end":328.351,"text":"因為現在要需要社會給予這些政協黨的委員們讓他們知道說你們這麼做不會達成你們的目的同時會減少你們的支持度那我還是強調就是說算力的增加不管是國防預算也好還是外交國防委員會這是可以應用在百工百業上面的"},{"start":330.422,"end":355.826,"text":"PLT我簡寫就是Partier這是軍方適用的美方這不也是算力的一個展現然後把它用在實際上AI的軟體的運用嗎那你怎麼可能不投資在這個上面呢所以這個是最基礎最基礎的設施這就跟許多我們在內黨委員爭取的一些哪一個道路要翻新哪一個重要的東部的鐵道要花幾億幾百億幾千億來去達通"},{"start":360.107,"end":386.704,"text":"你現在這個動脈就是這些算力這是最基礎的從40片到100片你就可以多做一些事情多做2.5倍的事情多給更多的想要從事這些企業的人多一點機會這也是另一方面的對自己也是會增加他們的民意的支持所以我認為說這個不是零可的這可是雙贏或者是三贏的局面必須要好好的跟在黨的立委裡面來談一下其實不僅僅是在科技部"},{"start":387.885,"end":406.811,"text":"國防未來一定都會用到這樣子的需求啦這次的中東戰爭也是一樣嘛所以這個部分再麻煩部長好好的跟他們溝通我們沒有要做零核的但是至少要有一定的往前走一步好不好是 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