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請三個機關代表上台 謝謝法委好好 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false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:51:43.964000+08:00","text":"除此之外，廠商在申請地熱的時候，我們還給予相關的補助，主要是去風險化，我舉一個例子來講，地熱初期的投資很大，但有時候鑿下去有就有，那很好，就像發現油源一樣，一直源源不斷。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T12:51:43.964000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:52:02.934000+08:00","text":"但是假如鑿不到，那些所有的損失，我們要幫忙弭平，所以我們現在請地礦中心，包括台電跟中油，先來探勘，因為前期的探勘很重要，假如探勘建立得綿密的話，就可以減少失敗及取不到熱源的這種風險。","quality":0.805},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-18T12:52:02.934000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:52:05.955000+08:00","text":"當然，因為下去投資就是要不少的預算嘛。對。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-18T12:52:06.516000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:52:10.078000+08:00","text":"所以規劃就很重要，探勘跟規劃。對。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-18T12:52:10.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:52:31.893000+08:00","text":"所以我希望經濟部在於探勘的部分可以加大力道，趕快去做好規劃，至於未來招商，希望民間或地方政府一起來投入這樣的地熱開發，總是我們希望成功率可以更高。是。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-18T12:52:32.234000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:52:32.974000+08:00","text":"好不好？是。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-18T12:52:33.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:52:39.500000+08:00","text":"所以我們還是希望經濟部在前期的鑽探可以再綿密一些，這樣可以嗎？","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T12:52:39.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:52:40.761000+08:00","text":"好，沒有問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-18T12:52:40.761000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:52:40.902000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:52:40.902000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:52:41.222000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝蔡易餘委員，請官員回座。","quality":0.385},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:52:41.722000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:52:46.007714+08:00","text":"今天登記質詢的委員均已發言完畢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:52:46.307714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:52:56.879143+08:00","text":"另外有楊瓊瓔委員提出書面質詢，委員所提的書面質詢或相關資料，均列入紀錄，刊登公報。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:52:57.179143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:53:06.893429+08:00","text":"對於委員質詢要求提供相關資料或未及答復的部分，請相關機關儘速以書面答復。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}