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林德虎 林德虎 林德虎不在高津樹梅 高津樹梅 高津樹梅不在高津 羅兵柴 羅兵柴 羅兵柴不在請 陳冠廷委員主席 羅大安請部長請農業部 陳部長"},{"start":31.09,"end":47.625,"text":"部長好部長這個我今天要針對農安基金的執行進度來先跟你請教一下2月13號是我們政府宣布成立300億的農安基金那農業部新聞稿那時候有稱近期公布各項的措施跟補助的申請程序等等"},{"start":48.513,"end":70.05,"text":"那在3月3号我在院会质询的时候那部长表示说农安基金的300亿不会等到我们的这个ART真正生效之后再来去处理那今天我看到3月18号我们的这个业务报告里面的四大面向扶持农业确保优势扩大这个外销跟巩固产业的韧性这四项那这是在第31页"},{"start":71.351,"end":92.267,"text":"但還是就是那四大面向我們還是在做那四大面向那我是希望說針對這個升級的機制支持的方案預算的來源這個部分大概具體的目前的執行方案大概進行到什麼樣的程度是不是可以跟農民開始來去說明讓農民可以盡快的來去做一些申請好 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