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因為這個功能到底這個技術是有什麼樣子的功能我想這個社群平台APP應該都是可以做到的事情啊因為用我們APP GPS可以很精準的定位但是用一般的照相機 它的GPS定位不會那麼精準"},{"start":335.894,"end":363.584,"text":"好沒關係那這個部分我們事後再討論不過我想要回到剛剛的第一個問題就是說我們最後還是希望可以透過這個資訊傳出來之後讓公民可以一起來做相關的研究嘛分佈位置啊然後衝突的部分其實公民也可以一起來參與嘛那現階段沒有那大概預計有什麼時候可以開放讓大家來一起共同的導入更多的研究量度呢這個在開放的過程中我想我們不會那麼輕易的開放但是如果說"},{"start":364.344,"end":379.857,"text":"有特定的公民團體願意利用這個東西去做研究但是也必須切結承諾不對外公開那我們可以考慮大家一起來合作好啊 那這樣子的話我再請這些團體來我們再要請我們再一起來討論好了不過再給我一點時間齁 抱歉"},{"start":384.241,"end":411.313,"text":"就是有關於狂犬病的部分就是狂犬病目前我們可以看到這個案例上面這兩個月的統計數字已經是這七年來最高的高峰了平均過去大概是13 14但是今年已經到了19那我想這部分其實也要趕快的跟我們的這有可能會爆發大規模的傳染這是可能是一個可潛在的風險所以我們現在是不是有一個提前的盤點整體的防疫上面去避免它造成可能有讓選"},{"start":412.273,"end":434.446,"text":"的傳染或是其他的物種的傳染我想第一個部分就是我們要積極的加強那個狂犬病的疫苗對狗隻犬隻還有貓的部分那貓可能機會比較小因為在家裡但是有一個熱區就是說比較靠近田間的野外的這些區域我想我們會更主動的去通知他們來打狂犬病疫苗"},{"start":435.527,"end":441.452,"text":"好 沒關係 我想時間已經到了我們會後約時間討論好了 好不好 謝謝好 謝謝張雅琳委員的質詢部長先回座這個在場委員徐屋輝也到了"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:17:19.465000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:17:19.645000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:17:19.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:17:22.146000+08:00","text":"我們邀請農業部部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:17:22.146000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:17:25.248000+08:00","text":"請農業部陳部長。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:17:28.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:17:29.171000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:17:36.659000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:17:46.709000+08:00","text":"剛剛有提到動保法，今天接下來我也是要回到動保法裡面特別要處理的一個爭議的問題。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:17:47.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:18:07.947000+08:00","text":"上次在動保法的修法，我比較會理解的是這應該是讓大家可以充分討論的，因為那是第一次審查這個法案，我也希望接下來要修法的時候，我們的部長可以跟個別委員，這邊也要懇請召委，拜託支持可以讓部長跟個別委員好好充分討論，這樣大家可以比較快凝聚出共識。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:18:07.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:18:25.618000+08:00","text":"因為我認為，針對這個爭議，我必須坦白說這真的是農業部的失職，因為共識不會自己產生，一定要充分的討論，要跟社會大眾有很多討論，共識才有可能逐步往前，所以農業部在這件事情上面真的非常需要去強化。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:18:26.999000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:18:39.750000+08:00","text":"不過我今天就先針對犬蹤地圖，因為這是我們透過科學化的第一步，也是我當時極力爭取的，非常感謝農業部的支持，讓我們可以往更科學化的方向前進。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:18:39.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:19:00.344000+08:00","text":"但是我們發現了一些問題，我們在記者會上也有提到，透過GIS可以讓我們看見遊蕩犬點位，但是據我所知，我們自己在實際操作時是看不出到底這個區域有哪些點位有遊蕩犬。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:19:02.405000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:19:21.512000+08:00","text":"再來，我們又再詢問了農業部，又說這個只會匯出成Excel，所以我不太確定我們到底是真的要做成像eBird那樣可以讓大家都知道點位在哪，還是只是自己在後臺操作、做研究嗎？","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:19:21.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:19:22.973000+08:00","text":"這部分可不可以請部長說明一下？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:19:23.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:19:25.194000+08:00","text":"好，第一個部分先謝謝委員的關心。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:19:25.694000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:19:40.589000+08:00","text":"有關犬蹤地圖的部分，第一階段我們所蒐集到的資料是透過內部了解，然後形成相關的熱區，還沒有準備公開給外界。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:19:41.791000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:20:08.145000+08:00","text":"這個部分其實我們也曾經討論過，因為當犬蹤地圖如果全部對外公布的時候，它可能會造成不必要的恐慌，甚至於影響到當地的地價或者房價，這是我們跟很多利害關係人討論的時候所提到的，所以我們第一階段會先做內部使用，變成一個熱區，然後去做精準的防範。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:20:09.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:20:22.550000+08:00","text":"我想這個犬蹤地圖還有一些部分要再去強化，因為大家做犬蹤地圖的時候有一個很大的限制，那就是拍照片的當下要立刻傳送，我不曉得部長知不知道這個事情？","quality":0.716},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:20:24.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:20:27.769000+08:00","text":"他可以等到有線的時候才傳啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:20:27.769000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:20:28.849000+08:00","text":"沒有辦法！","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:20:28.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:20:30.770000+08:00","text":"在是沒有辦法到有線的時候……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:20:30.770000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:20:31.770000+08:00","text":"可以啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:20:31.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:20:39.195000+08:00","text":"照片是沒有辦法單純上傳的，必須要在現場用手機拍了之後才可以上傳，這個是……","quality":0.788},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:20:39.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:20:47.513000+08:00","text":"沒有，現場用那個app拍了以後，如果當場沒辦法上傳，到有網路線路的時候還是可以上傳的，這個沒有問題。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:20:47.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:20:50.074000+08:00","text":"好喔，這個部分是民眾使用後回饋給我們的。","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:20:50.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:20:50.854000+08:00","text":"這個沒問題，這個可以。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:20:51.274000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:20:51.915000+08:00","text":"這個沒問題？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:20:51.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:20:53.935000+08:00","text":"我會再測試一下，看看是不是可以這麼做。好。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:20:54.415000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:21:07.619000+08:00","text":"但是我想在這個犬蹤地圖上面可能還有一些要來努力的方向，因為目前有看到一些些的回饋，我不曉得部會這邊有沒有追蹤大家的使用者意見？","quality":0.883},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:21:09.345000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:21:21.590000+08:00","text":"我想我們動保司的後臺應該都有隨時在監控，其中有一個我覺得可能要跟外界溝通的，外界希望這個地圖可以看到所有點位，我剛才說了，我們第一階段……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:21:21.590000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:21:22.590000+08:00","text":"我知道，我有聽到。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:21:22.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:21:23.130000+08:00","text":"我們第一階段是不開放的。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:21:24.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:21:37.236000+08:00","text":"對，這個待會我會再繼續問，不過我接下來要問的是，剛剛說可以自行上傳，所以民眾在野外架設的自動相機影像也可以透過他們存入手機後就自動上傳，對嗎？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:21:38.976000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:21:40.757000+08:00","text":"一定要透過app去照相！","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:21:41.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:21:43.118000+08:00","text":"一定要透過app去照相？","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:21:43.539000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:21:57.446000+08:00","text":"不是照相以後再另外上傳，不過委員講的這個部分，我想我們可以來考慮有沒有另外一個系統，就是用一般相機照相以後透過一個專線的管道上傳到我們的資料庫。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:21:58.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:22:05.830000+08:00","text":"這件事情我先釐清一下，應該是說他將自動相機的影像傳到自己的手機裡面再上傳，這樣是可行的嗎？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:22:06.371000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:22:08.832000+08:00","text":"不是，他一定先開……","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:22:08.832000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:22:10.893000+08:00","text":"這樣是不可行的？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:22:10.893000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:22:19.138000+08:00","text":"先開app，app裡面有一個照相功能，從照相功能去照相才可以上傳，如果直接用手機去拍，再開app，這樣是傳不上去的。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:22:20.359000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:22:21.640000+08:00","text":"這不是滿奇妙的嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:22:22.181000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:22:24.382000+08:00","text":"這個功能、這個技術到底是有什麼樣的困難？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:22:25.804000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:22:27.925000+08:00","text":"因為這在很多社群平臺的app都是可以做到的事情，取用相機的嘛！","quality":0.483},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:22:28.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:22:38.174000+08:00","text":"因為用我們的app，GPS可以很精準的定位；但是用一般的照相機，它的GPS定位不會那麼精準。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:22:38.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:23:01.162000+08:00","text":"好，沒關係，這個部分我們事後再討論，不過我想要回到剛剛的第一個問題，就是我們最後還是希望可以透過這個資訊傳出來之後，讓公民可以一起來做相關的研究，分布位置、衝突的部分，其實公民也可以一起來參與嘛，現階段沒有，大概預計什麼時候可以開放讓大家來一起共同參與，導入更多的研究量能呢？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:23:02.863000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:23:19.274000+08:00","text":"有關開放的時程，我想我們不會那麼輕易的開放，但是如果有特定的公民團體願意利用這個東西去做研究，也必須切結承諾不對外公開，那我們可以考慮大家一起來合作。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:23:19.835000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:23:22.097000+08:00","text":"好啊，這樣子的話，我再請這些團體來，也邀請你們，我們再一起來討論。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:23:22.097000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:23:23.097000+08:00","text":"對，我們再來討論。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:23:22.597000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:23:28.382000+08:00","text":"請再給我一點時間，抱歉，我再問一下有關於狂犬病的部分。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:23:29.442000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:23:48.470000+08:00","text":"目前我們可以看到資料顯示這兩個月的統計數字已經是這七年來最高的高峰了，過去平均大概是13、14件，但是今年已經到了19件，我想這部分要趕快跟我們的……這有可能會爆發大規模的傳染，這可能是個潛在的風險。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:23:48.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:23:57.374000+08:00","text":"所以我們現在是不是能有一個提前的盤點，在整體的防疫上面去避免它造成遊蕩犬的傳染或是其他物種的傳染、跨物種的傳染？","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:23:58.415000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:24:07.100000+08:00","text":"第一個部分就是我們要積極地加強狂犬病疫苗注射，對犬隻還有貓的部分，貓可能機會比較小，因為在家裡。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-18T12:24:07.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:24:17.426000+08:00","text":"但是有一個熱區，就是比較靠近田間野外的這些區位，我們會更主動地去通知他們來打狂犬病疫苗。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-03-18T12:24:18.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:24:20.909000+08:00","text":"好，沒關係，我的時間已經到了，我們會後約時間討論好了，好不好？好。謝謝。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:24:20.989000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:24:22.650000+08:00","text":"謝謝張雅琳委員的質詢，部長先回座。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:24:23.150000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:24:30.007143+08:00","text":"徐富癸委員也到場了，我們在徐富癸委員質詢後休息5分鐘。","quality":0.208},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:24:30.307143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:24:33.450000+08:00","text":"下一位質詢請呂玉玲委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":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