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不能有閉案但是要用心的大力的支持我們國家的新統產業這個態度一定要這樣接下來我來請教次長"},{"start":232.515,"end":239.118,"text":"就市場我之前也有在跟經濟部談過我們嘉義在設置海淡廠但是我們一直很擔心因為海淡廠他的未來這個海淡他的水費的計算那一直有人跟我說要會把現在在做填海造陸的費用納為海淡廠的"},{"start":252.843,"end":269.853,"text":"這件事我覺得不合理不合理的就在於說因為這個填海造陸10公頃的土地並不是百分之百作為海淡產使用如果你把這一筆算入海淡產的費用未來怎麼有企業敢去使用加海淡產生的水水費可能一坨水要70幾坨"},{"start":274.754,"end":303.06,"text":"怎麼有誰再去趕去用啊價格的落差太大所以市長這部分的調整有順利嗎跟委員報告這個部分我們會跟院裡面來申請公共建設的預算那如果爭取成功的話這個部分我們是不會納入到水價的核算確定不會納入嗎好那這個很重要那第二個我要跟市長再講一下因為我們現在經濟部在我們嘉義有兩個產業園區的開發一個是水上南京一個是中埔的公館"},{"start":303.76,"end":309.482,"text":"水上南進因為在開發的過程發現有文化遺址所以他的開發進度比較慢那中埔已經開發而且都在招商招商的也順利但是這些廠商有來跟我反映就是說水上南進最近有在做租金的調整租金的調整之後他們一坪會變成150塊跟我們現在馬籌後產業園區的租金是一坪120塊這兩個的租金之間是有落差的"},{"start":333.39,"end":358.527,"text":"馬酬厚基本上它是由台塘以及我們縣政府來合作來招商目前還沒有開始正式招商但是它的價格落在150塊反而我們已經有招商的中埔跟水上價格是150塊這個會讓這些產商覺得是有相對的一些落差的感覺所以他們認為有沒有可能這個時候可以跟馬酬厚、水上南進"},{"start":360.108,"end":386.296,"text":"畢竟不管是台湯啦還是我們現在經濟部都一樣是經濟部管的一些企業啊有沒有可能在租金上來做一個讓他們一樣的一致呢根本報告齁那因為這個馬籌的租金的部分齁是那個嘉義縣政府這邊他們所這個來推案定可是還是要尊重台湯啊最後還是台湯確定啊"},{"start":387.156,"end":411.857,"text":"因為他的土地是台塘的我們縣政府是協力他去做招商我們現在跟縣政府這邊來瞭解的結果縣政府是表示說大概會等到台積電他COAS第三場來報開工跟凍土之後預計在今年的4到5月會來重新審定租金的價格"},{"start":413.538,"end":437.734,"text":"所以這個部分也許啦 剛剛可能價格也許會再做一些調整市長也說一下好消息啦 台積電COWAS第三場已經正式開工了所以在這幾天也開工了 這也是一個很重要的對我們家也很重要的一個訊息所以接下來在馬籌後這一個半導體的供應鏈也就是我們說馬籌後的圓中圓這一塊後續的招商麻煩市長跟台灣協力一下 好不好"},{"start":441.977,"end":443.221,"text":"好沒問題拜託了好謝謝好謝謝委員謝謝蔡議員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-19T09:35:20.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:35:26.808000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請經濟部次長跟國發會葉主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-19T09:35:26.808000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T09:35:31.833000+08:00","text":"請經濟部何次長、國發會葉主委。","quality":0.231},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-19T09:35:31.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:35:32.053000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-19T09:35:33.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:36:03.217000+08:00","text":"次長跟主委，剛剛有講到國發基金的投資，基本上我們在看國發基金投資，並不是每一項投資都可以百分之百投資成功，如果百分之百都是投資成功的話，這些國發基金的委員可能都自己出來投資了，大概也沒有人想待在國發會，不過我要強調，事實上還是有很多很成功的投資，國發基金目前最成功的投資大概就是那一支藥華藥？對。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-19T09:36:03.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:36:22.321000+08:00","text":"它現在已經把國內生產的血小板或者是紅血球的抗血癌藥賣到全世界，尤其賣到美國，現在美國的一級用藥都是用這一家公司的藥，這是國發基金非常成功的一個投資項目。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-19T09:36:23.241000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:36:25.262000+08:00","text":"對，謝謝委員的說明，其實我們投資藥華藥這一家藥廠已經二、三十年了，這家藥廠其實剛開始虧損連連……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-19T09:36:25.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:36:25.623000+08:00","text":"剛開始也是虧損……","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-19T09:36:25.623000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T09:36:26.623000+08:00","text":"對，但我們還是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-19T09:36:25.623000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:36:27.104000+08:00","text":"因為它有獲利大概是這幾年的事，可是它獲利後，變成你們國發基金的一個金雞母。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-19T09:36:46.016000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:36:51.098000+08:00","text":"這個也是我們國發基金投資的標的，都是早期及新創的事業。是啊！","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-19T09:36:51.098000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:37:08.144000+08:00","text":"早期新創，所以投資事業不能說早期的虧損就直接否決掉，就直接說它的努力都沒有效，很多投資還是要慢慢的累積，然後累積到技術什麼都成熟了，自然它就會有獲利了，不是嗎？","quality":0.863},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-19T09:37:09.225000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:37:59.997000+08:00","text":"對，我們就國發基金整體的營運績效來看，我們114年的淨值達到2兆9,000億元左右，加計歷年賸餘累計繳庫的數額有3,365億元，與我們原本撥付投資的金額309億相比，整個資產成長大概有105倍左右，105年到114年的獲利較前10年成長大概3.5倍，105年後投資的轉投資事業總共有36家，一直到114年12月31日為止，總共投資了大概303億元左右，已經回收了大概八成，目前持股市值大約是537億元左右，高於整個投資成本大概5.7倍。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-19T09:38:00.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:38:01.358000+08:00","text":"主委，就是這樣啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-19T09:38:02.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:38:24.767000+08:00","text":"我們不希望投資的過程有弊案，只要在沒有弊案的前提之下，我還是認為國發基金在輔導這些新創企業就是要秉持著更開放，而且更支持他們，讓他們覺得在創業的初期有得到我們國發基金非常大力給他們勇氣的一個力道，這樣才是對的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-19T09:38:24.767000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T09:38:25.767000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，我們也是一直往這個方向……","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-19T09:38:24.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:38:27.609000+08:00","text":"所以主委應該要秉持這樣的原則，就是一定是嚴防查弊，不能有弊案，但是要用心的、大力的支持我們國家的新創產業，這個態度一定要這樣。","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-19T09:38:27.609000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T09:38:28.609000+08:00","text":"一定會的，謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-19T09:38:27.609000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:39:18.012000+08:00","text":"接下來我來請教次長，我之前也有跟經濟部談過，我們嘉義在設置海淡廠，但是我們一直很擔心未來海淡廠水費的計算，一直有人跟我說，會把現在在做填海造陸的費用納為海淡廠的費用，這件事我覺得不合理，不合理的理由在於，因為填海造陸這10公頃的土地並不是百分之百作為海淡廠使用，如果你把這一筆算入海淡廠的費用，未來怎麼有企業敢去使用海淡廠產生的水呢？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-19T09:39:18.152000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:39:32.116000+08:00","text":"那個水費可能一度要七十幾元，那怎麼有人敢去用，價格落差太大，所以次長，這部分的調整有順利嗎？","quality":0.756},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-19T09:39:32.116000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:39:41.318000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這個部分我們會跟院裡面來申請公共建設的預算，如果申請成功的話，這個部分我們是不會納入到水價的核算。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-19T09:39:41.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:39:42.318000+08:00","text":"確定不會納入？對。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-19T09:39:42.618000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:39:43.778000+08:00","text":"好，這個很重要。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-19T09:39:44.318000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:40:59.731000+08:00","text":"第二個，我要跟次長再講一下，因為現在經濟部在我們嘉義有兩個產業園區的開發，一個是水上南靖，一個是中埔公館，水上南靖因為在開發的過程發現文化遺址，所以它的開發進度比較慢，中埔已經開發，而且都在招商，招商也很順利，但是這些廠商有來跟我反映，水上南靖最近有在做租金調整，租金調整之後一坪會變成150塊，跟現在馬稠後產業園區的租金一坪120塊，兩者之間有落差，馬稠後基本上是由台糖以及我們縣政府合作招商，目前還沒有開始正式招商，但是價格落在120塊，反而已經有招商的中埔跟水上價格是150塊，這樣會讓這些廠商相對覺得有一些落差的感覺，但不管是台糖，還是經濟部，一樣是經濟部管的企業，所以他們認為馬稠後、水上南靖在租金上有沒有可能一致呢？","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-19T09:41:01.272000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19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