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民策也給我一份好不好我跟委員補充報告我正在處理這個問題因為"},{"start":693.684,"end":716.056,"text":"借用名額或用這個預算其實從總和外交的角度來講我們應該整體的去檢視現在的外管或110個外管然後需要的人力跟他的預算那做一個整體的規劃我也想大大院的支持是很重要那我們不是歐洲專案我們去年跟人事總署溝通嘛 協調他就有跟我們增加院額"},{"start":716.476,"end":741.592,"text":"那外交官要經過考試、訓練那是很冗長的事情那所以各部會過去在駐外管我們怎麼去整合發揮館長制整體的總和外交的效果制度面我們也在變革但是在人的緣額還有預算上我們也是希望說一次性的、完整的能夠找到解決的方法因為外管的業務非常的繁忙那大多數的外管"},{"start":743.113,"end":760.018,"text":"管署都有一個人身兼數職啊吼 調來調去然後調來然後借用然後又回到本職這樣的一個狀況對外管實在是不公平啦所以這個你們要通辦一個檢討那對外管應該要專職在他本職的工作"},{"start":765.68,"end":782.337,"text":"很多現在駐外的提醒給我很多的一些建議那駐外的人不能身兼數職然後呢自己本職除了做之外還要兼到其他的部會裡面這樣對他們來講是不公平的好不好你們要通盤檢討"},{"start":783.618,"end":806.392,"text":"好 我也期待我們除了外領人員的這些條例之外有一個外交人員的服務法像美國它就有這個Foreign Service Act我想也有很多委員表達關心我們也請一些專家學者在指導能夠建構一個台灣現在是很特別因為我們真的是各國都想跟我們來往"},{"start":807.455,"end":824.129,"text":"那就是透過我們外館 可是我們外館的能量如果不足或者是您剛剛講的因為一人間素質還有他們的工作上面的環境 權益這也是我作為外交部長很重要的一個工作這敬請大院能夠支持 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-19T09:42:48+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T09:42:49+08:00","text":"有請林部長，謝謝主席。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-19T09:42:49+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T09:42:50+08:00","text":"請林部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-19T09:42:50+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T09:42:51+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2026-03-19T09:42:51+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T09:42:52+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-19T09:42:48.129000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:42:51.231000+08:00","text":"由於美國和伊朗發生戰爭，這一段時間國人都非常關注撤僑的狀況，外交部和駐外人員也面臨非常大的壓力。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-19T09:42:51.331000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:43:34.309000+08:00","text":"今天報告中有特別提到因應中東地區戰火，外交部和相關的外館第一時間成立一個專案應變小組，協助超過兩千一百多位國人平安返臺。","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-19T09:43:35.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:43:42.114000+08:00","text":"本席首先想了解的是，面對突發狀況，外館具體處置的能力。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-19T09:43:45.897000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:43:58.058000+08:00","text":"這個戰事在2月28號開始，政府協助第一批中東地區僑胞回臺用了多少時間？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-19T09:43:58.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:44:00.160000+08:00","text":"第一批回臺人數大概是多少？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2026-03-19T09:44:01.788000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:44:14.133000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這當然我們有統計，現在是到兩千四百多人、有協助的，其中有些是在地僑民、臺商或學生，另外有一些是因為轉機過境的旅客。","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2026-03-19T09:44:15.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:44:19.956000+08:00","text":"前面那個部分我們都聯繫得很好，第一時間我們都有建立通訊的……","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-19T09:44:20.196000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:44:21.636000+08:00","text":"那個時間是多少？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-19T09:44:22.016000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:44:22.977000+08:00","text":"大概，你們那個時間……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2026-03-19T09:44:23.737000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:44:44.171000+08:00","text":"我們幾乎在……中東的戰事發生也不是今天，我們大概所有的這些外館，總共有8個相關館處在這個地方，我們都有一個群組也密切聯繫，在第一時間都已經跟僑民，我是說在地的這些臺灣人，有保持聯繫，他們也會回報。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2026-03-19T09:44:44.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:44:54.698000+08:00","text":"至於後面出去旅遊要回來的或者是……這一些當然涉及交通部跟觀光署對旅行社這邊的聯繫，我們再彙整。","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-19T09:44:56.359000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:44:58.981000+08:00","text":"部長，我為什麼要問這些問題？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-19T09:44:58.981000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:45:14.312000+08:00","text":"因為這跟我們撤僑的過程有關，在中東常常會發生一些戰事，問題太多了，我們臺灣有很多國人在國外，萬一發生事情然後他們想要回臺，你們外交部所扮演的角色非常重要，所以在第一時間要因應這樣的狀況，就要很清楚大概有多少的應變時間，這就是我要問你的問題。","quality":0.36},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2026-03-19T09:45:14.312000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T09:45:15.312000+08:00","text":"剛剛我們同仁有進一步說明了，在3月1號開始從陸路，然後另外陸續從以色列到阿聯酋都有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-19T09:45:14.312000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:46:10.485000+08:00","text":"好，當然外交部扮演的角色非常重要，但是外交部不能孤軍奮戰，也需要其他部會一起來協助外交部駐外單位撤僑。","quality":0.787},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-19T09:46:11.665000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:46:31.912000+08:00","text":"我要講的就是撤僑考驗的不只是外館臨機應變的能力，也是對制度熟練程度的檢視，理論上，外館都會有緊急應變的計畫，就是為了在遭遇緊急事件時能夠依計畫安排，那平時要做到什麼？","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-19T09:46:31.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:46:42.861000+08:00","text":"就是要定期更新僑胞的名冊和建立聯絡網，我相信這些外交部都有在做，問題是做了多少。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-19T09:46:43.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:46:58.031000+08:00","text":"考量到許多外館的人力有限，本席比較擔心的是在平時是否有落實包含非戰鬥人員和僑胞撤離的演練，這就是我擔憂的地方。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-19T09:46:59.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:47:06.795000+08:00","text":"另外，我想請問一下駐外館處是否每一年都有安排撤僑的演練？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-19T09:47:07.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:47:08.275000+08:00","text":"頻率是多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2026-03-19T09:47:12.477000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:47:28.783000+08:00","text":"我們有緊急應變計畫，也會針對新的情勢做應變的演練，至於每個地方的情況，當然要看有沒有戰爭的情形，像以色列，我們就從……","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-19T09:47:30.364000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:47:37.389000+08:00","text":"沒關係，就請外交部把這些相關的資料提供給我，好不好？好的。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-19T09:47:38.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T09:48:06.063000+08:00","text":"這樣我就比較知道你們演練的頻率大概是多少，我們就會很清楚，只要是在國際有發生任何戰事，外交部駐外單位演練的頻率大概是多少，還有應變的能力如何，有沒有隨時機動面對國際的情勢，好不好？好。","quality":0.488},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-19T09:48:06.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end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Service Act，也有很多委員表達關心，我們也請一些專家學者在指導，能夠建構一個……臺灣現在是很特別，因為各國真的都想跟我們來往，就是透過我們外館，可是我們外館的能量如果不足，或者是您剛剛講的因為一人兼數職，還有他們工作上面的環境、權益，這也是我作為外交部長很重要的工作，我也敬請大院能夠支持，謝謝。好。謝謝。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-19T09:56:32.629000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T09:56:36.343286+08:00","text":"接下來請陳永康委員上臺質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}