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我想先請問一個我想全國都很關心的問題就是現在到底軍人加薪跟警消退休金的狀況是怎麼樣目前執行的狀況如何呢"},{"start":39.617,"end":59.314,"text":"軍人加薪不是我們的業務範圍那您說警察就是就那個警察人事條例修法的部分那就審定的部分全區部這邊去年底已經之前都已經完成審定函那執行的部分呢執行的狀況如何執行的狀況因為這個就是跟全區跟這個對不起跟行政院編列預算這個有關"},{"start":61.055,"end":85.618,"text":"所以說就是行政院沒有編列預算嘛現在的狀況是那所以如果問題是出在行政院的話那行政院不願意編列預算是不是我們考試院應該主動啟動所謂的院計協商來去依法編列預算呢跟委員報告因為它這個修法是修在警察人事條例裡面這個條例是行政院的主管的法律所以也不是考試院主管的法律"},{"start":86.192,"end":96.837,"text":"那他的預算法律在行政院那預算也是行政院要編列依照法律的規定所以這個我們沒有這個反而是跟我們的退府制度是沒有沒有關聯"},{"start":97.938,"end":124.972,"text":"所以我所以說現在狀況就是說沒有編列預算那小勢雲變成是說這個法過了但是沒錢可以沒錢可以執行對吧對他目前的狀況是這樣老師說我就覺得我讓我覺得很困惑因為嚴格講起來不管不是只有公務人員是公務人員警員警軍人也好警消也好也是廣義的公務人員也是所謂廣義的這個國家體制他就是公務人員的一部分對對對"},{"start":126.013,"end":154.28,"text":"那老實說他們在比起一般的公務人員來講警消尤其是警消軍警其實對於國家的保護跟幫助是更重要的他們長期站在第一線他們的壓力比別人都來的大老實說我們現在看到我們很多的法制都是選美國那美國也好還是說任何先進國家至少是優等優良的先進國家都對於軍公教警消是給予"},{"start":155.182,"end":155.892,"text":"足夠的照顧的"},{"start":156.636,"end":184.382,"text":"但是很可惜的說真的如果法律通過之後我們行政部門沒有依法執行然後甚至說特地苛扣預算那嚴格講起來對於我們的這個公務人員其實蠻刻薄的不管是哪個黨對於說這個年改政策把退休金一砍再砍我想在座的所有的文官體系文官體系出來的人都會覺得感同身受這是不好的這是不對的"},{"start":185.262,"end":207.285,"text":"尤其是說我剛剛查了一下整個公務員體系在美國的這個整個金額是台灣的三倍到五倍之多但是相對比較起來我們台灣就用這種年改之類的這種年改方式對於這個我們的公務人員無形的苛扣那我是不知道說各位的感覺怎麼樣我是覺得不捨啦"},{"start":208.005,"end":225.999,"text":"因為我的想法一向都是如果我們這個國家要能夠好好運行要能夠正確運行那優質的公務人員不能少但是另外一方面我也想就是直接講如果說預算沒有編那其實難免會讓很多的公務體系的人心寒"},{"start":226.94,"end":250.059,"text":"那同樣的不只是對過去的公務人員對過去的警消對過去的軍人那他們是苛扣的之外其實對新來的人才要進來剛剛我也聽到說市部長在回應這個審發會委員的質詢那其實這公務體系裡面現在變成是說請問一下要報考的人是不是越來越少啦"},{"start":252.539,"end":273.158,"text":"警察整體是整體報告人數受殺死亡影響一定會下降但是警察報告人數目前我們還沒有說不是問題不過消防的部分比較有空缺因為主要是我們的需求量變得很大所以我們考進來的人越來越多入選人"},{"start":274.179,"end":292.813,"text":"儘管有增加但是缺員越來越多因為大家需要更多的人力去執行這個工作然後讓大家不要過勞所以這個部分的需求還沒有辦法完全平衡那整體公務人員呢我也想請教整體公務人員的考試人數是下降中那其實是想算是另外一種的國安危機吧"},{"start":294.292,"end":317.083,"text":"除了人員危機除了少子化危機之外當然跟少子化危機會有一點關係但是最直接的就是說如果我們國家的優秀人才都不願意投身公務系統的時候那會不會導致說我們國家整個行政效率或整個國家整個制度的敗壞呢這算是另外一種的國安危機其實但是我們都選擇性的不看到嗎"},{"start":318.235,"end":338.294,"text":"這個不會說沒有看到不過我想他主要重點的問題是反映在那幾個入局不足額的相關類科就是我們會聚焦在這幾個部分來努力那整體雖然說報考人數有降低但是我想積極想考公務員的人他還是會積極報告就是我們看到很多重複入局啊重複報考甚至辭職再去考就表示說其實還是有"},{"start":339.114,"end":361.074,"text":"熱心想要來這個體系的人還是會很努力的想請問一下目前考試院掌握的最新數據是多少去年報考公務人員的報考人數是多少那整體報考率大概是多少這個我請部長來說明好委員好 公務員報告去年整個公務人員考試報考的是149,130人那錄取是18,413人"},{"start":366.92,"end":391.013,"text":"好那我想請問一下那如果說現在報考人數向低嘛那各方面都在降低那請問一下如果有沒有什麼具體的改革方案我聽說好像前一陣子好像就把我們的國家考試報名費調漲了25%那現在有動漲嗎跟委員報告那因為是考選基金如果不做這個調整的話可能今年底就破產了所以我們也是不得已必須做這樣的調漲"},{"start":392.065,"end":418.395,"text":"那如果在這個前提之下因為考選基金要破產所以我們調高的報名費那我們現在也實質的報考人數在往下降很多那是不是最後面是說一考就上還是說我們就是什麼人才會亂選呢有沒有可能呢跟委員報告目前的入取率大概是百分之二十但是還是要看類科那其實跟委員所關心的大概主要會集中在幾個類科不足額的情況會比較高特別是土木類科"},{"start":419.406,"end":436.713,"text":"土木類課一個類課大概就佔了說不足我的大概的三分之二所以說老實講我為什麼提出謝謝謝謝部長市部長也請回好了不好意思我其實為什麼提出這些問題其實有一個就是一個都只剩下同一個現象就是說當我們的公務人員"},{"start":437.933,"end":460.978,"text":"前面警消他們退休金該撥的沒有撥那我們三讀通過的法案沒有編列預算那其實表面上受害的只是說這些警消退休警消警消人員而已可是實質上全民都在看尤其是下一代的年輕人他們會覺得說講話都不算話我為什麼要進入公務體系"},{"start":463.078,"end":478.464,"text":"當我們公務體系的威信的誠信已經被嚴重去受到挑戰的時候我們怎麼期待說下一代的我們的這些新興學子覺得對於公務這個公務體系還有任何的憧憬有任何的改革方案嗎"},{"start":479.651,"end":507.558,"text":"各位報告那個您提的這個警察人條例修法跟預算編列的問題因為不是考試院職權所以我沒有辦法回應啦那對於您剛剛講說年輕人看到這個退休制度的部分他到底跟他報考的意願有沒有關係我想報考的意願這件事的確有非常多因素不過我要跟您報告就是說現在新進公務人員他適用的是個人專戶制所以我們現在在原來的退服法或者退服法之外的這個警察人條例的修正這個部分其實跟新進人員他們將來自己的"},{"start":508.779,"end":531.235,"text":"退休金的制度其實是脫鉤的是沒有關聯的因為他們已經在採用個人專戶制那個人專戶制它的優點就是說它比較不會出現這個繳少領多然後這個有潛藏債務的問題但它也有相對應的保障它跟我們的勞工制度也是對應的那但是您講的這個報考人數下降的部分當然我們會很重視有沒有具體方案啊老師說因為"},{"start":532.336,"end":546.796,"text":"我們聚焦在幾個真的是比較招募不足的部分我們這個有些部分要從教育資源的投入開始譬如說我們發現前一陣子我們發現就是說圖目人才的確有不足的錄取那它又反映在東部這邊"},{"start":547.957,"end":572.071,"text":"東部的縣市基層他們非常欠缺這個人力所以我們就檢討出說東部這邊其實沒有土木科系的教育高等教育作為他的人力的當地人力的培養的支撐所以我們跟工程會這邊協調我們跨院合作後來我們去協調宜蘭大學到花蓮去設置學分板我想我們在立法院其實如果我們遇到看到這個現象通常不是單純的個案"},{"start":573.852,"end":588.32,"text":"秘書長現在回答是單純個案的改善我講的是整個目前整個現況都是這樣那如果說可以的話你們的改革方案不是只有針對說我們現在講東部縣市土木學科而是明年搞不好還是一樣一堆"},{"start":589.801,"end":604.087,"text":"一堆的缺出來但是不見得有人可以對我剛剛在報告者有講就是說其實就一個年輕人來講我到民間部門我就是地理力表面試也許有考試但是那個考試絕對不會像我們國家考試那麼繁複"},{"start":604.907,"end":618.524,"text":"那年輕人要來進公部門他投注的成本真的很高我們其實調查很多錄取人員平均可能考三年然後在這個被考的期間他可能沒有正職工作他其實賦予非常大的心力很多人是這麼熱衷的就是願意來當動務員但他的確這個門檻很高"},{"start":623.13,"end":645.769,"text":"對 所以您講就是說我們多方面的解決方案包含我們講現在高補考要減課因為我們考試的門檻真的很高所以我們高補考減課也是減輕考生的負擔然後我們讓考試更聚焦核心職能我們希望讓考生在準備的成本不要太高否則他跟四部門求職的成本差距那麼大的話我們也很難去競爭"},{"start":646.935,"end":670.479,"text":"老師講您講的是一套但是老師講不管是說對於這個退休金制度的不公平之外然後還有包括說調漲國家考試因為這個考選基金要破產直接調高25%這其實講的是一套但是做的時候讓民眾有沒有感覺到讓未來的人願不願意投入公務體系我想你們自己會自己感覺最清楚"},{"start":671.359,"end":698.693,"text":"應付國會議員的質詢是一回事實質上現況如何解決又是一回事我會期待說考試院提出一個真正提出一個改革方案一個能夠激勵讓未來年輕人投入公文官體系的一個改革方案謝謝如果有機會的話再跟委員做下面講可以給我至少能調整的方向我會整一下我們對這個部分的做法來給委員做一個書面報告什麼時候要給我呢我想應該"},{"start":701.377,"end":702.963,"text":"一個月?一個月可以 沒有問題好 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:10:33.287000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:10:38.728000+08:00","text":"有請考試院劉秘書長跟銓敘部施部長。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-19T10:10:39.008000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:10:46.390000+08:00","text":"請秘書長，還有施部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉秘書長建忻","start":"2026-03-19T10:10:46.390000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T10:10:47.390000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"施部長能傑","start":"2026-03-19T10:10:47.390000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T10:10:48.390000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:10:46.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:10:55.472000+08:00","text":"兩位長官，我想先請問一個全國都很關心的問題，現在軍人加薪跟警消退休金的狀況到底是怎麼樣？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:10:55.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:10:56.732000+08:00","text":"目前執行的狀況如何呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉秘書長建忻","start":"2026-03-19T10:10:58.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:11:02.941000+08:00","text":"軍人加薪不是我們的業務範圍。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉秘書長建忻","start":"2026-03-19T10:11:03.782000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:11:11.969000+08:00","text":"關於警消退休金，因警察人事條例修法，就審定的部分，銓敘部在去年底之前都已經完成審定函。","quality":0.744},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:11:12.689000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:11:13.550000+08:00","text":"執行部分呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:11:13.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:11:14.351000+08:00","text":"執行狀況如何？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉秘書長建忻","start":"2026-03-19T10:11:14.811000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:11:18.314000+08:00","text":"執行狀況跟行政院編列預算有關。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:11:20.256000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:11:21.757000+08:00","text":"那就是說行政院沒有編列預算嘛。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"劉秘書長建忻","start":"2026-03-19T10:11:22.458000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:11:23.078000+08:00","text":"現在的狀況是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:11:24.439000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:11:36.270000+08:00","text":"如果問題是出在行政院的話，行政院不願意編列預算，是不是考試院應該主動啟動所謂的院際協商來依法編列預算呢？","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"劉秘書長建忻","start":"2026-03-19T10:11:36.851000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:11:44.598000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為這個修法是修在警察人事條例裡面，這個條例是行政院主管的法律，所以也不是考試院主管的法律。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉秘書長建忻","start":"2026-03-19T10:11:46.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:11:55.837000+08:00","text":"法律的主管在行政院，依照法律規定，預算也是行政院要編列，這個反而跟我們的退撫制度沒有關聯。","quality":0.756},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:11:56.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:12:04.322000+08:00","text":"所以現在的狀況就是沒有編列預算，考試院變成是這個法過了，但是沒錢可以執行，對吧？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"劉秘書長建忻","start":"2026-03-19T10:12:05.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:12:07.083000+08:00","text":"對，目前的狀況是這樣。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:12:07.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:12:21.071000+08:00","text":"老實說，這就讓我覺得很困惑啦，因為嚴格講起來，不是只有公務人員是公務人員，軍人也好，警消也好，都是廣義的公務人員。當然。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:12:21.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:12:22.752000+08:00","text":"也是所謂廣義的國家體制……","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉秘書長建忻","start":"2026-03-19T10:12:22.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:12:23.972000+08:00","text":"他就是公務人員的一部分。對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:12:27.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:12:36.556000+08:00","text":"比起一般公務人員來講，尤其是警消、軍警，對於國家的保護跟幫助是更重要的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉秘書長建忻","start":"2026-03-19T10:12:36.556000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T10:12:37.556000+08:00","text":"是，他們角色很重要。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:12:36.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:12:40.017000+08:00","text":"他們長期站在第一線，壓力比別人都來得大。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:12:40.857000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:12:54.872000+08:00","text":"老實說，現在看到我們很多的法制都是學美國，美國也好，還是任何先進國家，至少是優良的先進國家，都對於軍公教警消給予足夠的照顧。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:12:54.872000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:13:10.379000+08:00","text":"但真的很可惜的是，如果法律通過之後，行政部門沒有依法執行，甚至特地剋扣預算，嚴格講起來這樣對於公務人員其實蠻刻薄的。","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:13:10.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:13:23.362000+08:00","text":"不管是哪個黨，對於年改政策把退休金一砍再砍，我想在座所有文官體系出來的人都會覺得感同身受，這是不好的，這是不對的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:13:24.262000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:13:46.265000+08:00","text":"尤其是我剛剛查了一下，美國整個公務員體系的金額是臺灣的三倍到五倍之多，但相對比較起來，我們臺灣卻用這種年改之類的方式，對於我們的公務人員無情地剋扣，我不知道各位的感覺怎麼樣，我是覺得不捨啦！","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:13:47.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:13:54.871000+08:00","text":"因為我的想法一向都是如果我們這個國家要能夠好好運行，要能夠正確運行，優質的公務人員不能少。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:13:55.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:14:04.979000+08:00","text":"但是另外一方面，我直接講，如果預算沒有編，難免會讓很多公務體系的人心寒。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:14:06.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:14:28.819000+08:00","text":"同樣地，不只是對過去的公務人員、對過去的警消、對過去的軍人剋扣之外，對新進的人才要進來，剛剛我也聽到施部長回應沈發惠委員的質詢，其實這公務體系裡面，現在變成是說……請問一下，要報考的人是不是越來越少了？","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"劉秘書長建忻","start":"2026-03-19T10:14:34.241000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:14:42.329000+08:00","text":"整體報考人數受少子化影響，一定會下降，但是警察報考人數目前還沒有說……不是問題。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"劉秘書長建忻","start":"2026-03-19T10:14:42.329000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:15:03.567000+08:00","text":"不過消防的部分比較有空缺，主要是因為我們的需求量變得很大，所以考進來的人越來越多，錄取的人儘管有增加，但是缺也越來越多，因為大家需要更多人力去執行這個工作，然後讓大家不要過勞，所以這部分的需求還沒有辦法完全平衡。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:15:03.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:15:05.108000+08:00","text":"那整體公務人員呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:15:05.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:15:06.749000+08:00","text":"我也想請教整體公務人員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉秘書長建忻","start":"2026-03-19T10:15:06.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:15:08.590000+08:00","text":"整體公務人員的考試人數是下降中。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:15:10.111000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:15:11.793000+08:00","text":"我想這算是另外一種國安危機吧？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:15:13.292000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:15:31.201000+08:00","text":"除了能源危機、少子化危機之外，當然跟少子化其實會有點關係，但是最直接的就是如果我們國家的優秀人才都不願意投身公務系統時，會不會導致我們國家整個行政效率或整個國家制度的敗壞呢？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:15:31.901000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:15:36.083000+08:00","text":"這算是另外一種的國安危機，但是我們都選擇性地不看到嗎？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"劉秘書長建忻","start":"2026-03-19T10:15:37.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:15:45.062000+08:00","text":"不會說沒有看到，不過我想主要的重要問題是反映在那幾個錄取不足額的相關類科，我們會聚焦在這幾個部分來努力。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"劉秘書長建忻","start":"2026-03-19T10:15:45.723000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:16:00.336000+08:00","text":"雖然整體報考人數有降低，但是我想積極想考公務員的人還是會積極報考，我們看到很多重複錄取、重複報考，甚至辭職再去考，就表示其實還是有熱心想要來這個體系的人，還是會很努力地進來。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:16:00.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:16:03.859000+08:00","text":"想請問一下，目前考試院掌握的最新數據是多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:16:04.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:16:07.162000+08:00","text":"去年報考公務人員的人數是多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:16:07.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:16:09.664000+08:00","text":"整體報考率大概是多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉秘書長建忻","start":"2026-03-19T10:16:10.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:16:13.007000+08:00","text":"我請部長來說明。好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長孟奇","start":"2026-03-19T10:16:15.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:16:25.920000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，去年整個公務人員考試，報考人數是14萬9,130人，錄取1萬8,413人。好。","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:16:26.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:16:34.065000+08:00","text":"我想請問一下，如果現在報考人數降低，各方面都在降低，請問有沒有什麼具體的改革方案？","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:16:34.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:16:42.809000+08:00","text":"我聽說好像前一陣子把國家考試報名費調漲了25%，現在有凍漲嗎？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"劉部長孟奇","start":"2026-03-19T10:16:42.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:16:50.013000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為是考選基金，如果不做調整的話，可能今年底就破產了，我們也是不得已必須做這樣的調漲。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:16:51.645000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:17:05.570000+08:00","text":"如果在這個前提之下，因為考選基金要破產，所以你們調高報名費，而現在報考人數也實質地往下降很多，會不會到最後是一考就上，還是什麼人才都亂選，有沒有可能呢？","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"劉部長孟奇","start":"2026-03-19T10:17:05.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:17:09.972000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，目前錄取率大概是20%，但還是要看類科。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"劉部長孟奇","start":"2026-03-19T10:17:11.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:17:17.375000+08:00","text":"剛剛委員所關心的，大概主要會集中在幾個類科不足額的情況會比較高，特別是土木類科。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"劉部長孟奇","start":"2026-03-19T10:17:18.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:17:22.308000+08:00","text":"單就土木類科一個類科，大概就占了所有不足額的三分之二。","quality":0.68},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:17:25.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:17:27.630000+08:00","text":"謝謝部長，施部長也請回，不好意思。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:17:28.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:17:59.958000+08:00","text":"老實講，我為什麼提出這些問題，其實都指向同一個現象，就是當警消的退休金該撥的沒有撥，我們三讀通過的法案沒有編列預算，表面上看起來受害的只是這些退休警消人員而已，可是實際上全民都在看，尤其是下一代的年輕人，他們會覺得講話都不算話，我為什麼要進入公務體系？","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-19T10:18:02.078000+08: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