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為了防避啦可是呢"},{"start":117.959,"end":127.314,"text":"這個整個制度變革以後以現在我們這個以前參加過考試的人幾十年後來看這個你會覺得也很好玩的地方因為我現在思慮的一個考試"},{"start":131.523,"end":154.111,"text":"第一階段現在也有選擇題,這個在30年前都很難想像的啦第二階段現在就開始說,不然就先來衝電腦來做一個硬式那我的問題就是說,我們很擔心這個考試到最後,都逼什麼人拍得很快這個很怪,我們當年在考試是怕我們字寫得醜"},{"start":155.491,"end":162.175,"text":"建新你做一個電視委員,你給我們改課程,看了這份,這個字像鬼話符一樣,那份數還扣掉了,那議席漂亮的人,份數比較高,我如果是電視委員在打評分的時候,我看那個字看起來舒服,我多給他一分兩分,那也很合理啊,可是那個考試常常就是,尤其是國家考試,是要看那個人的聽度,"},{"start":179.026,"end":188.53,"text":"到底說他的見解還是說這個資格裡面這個人程度是不是好的現在這個考試要扶公職現在大家衝這種 大家在那邊打架在那邊打架這個也怪 但問題我也認為說國家考試 考選的一個制度與時俱進數位化這當然是必經之路啦但是我為什麼說必須要去非常注意的就是說"},{"start":205.518,"end":229.934,"text":"你也要有一個溫暖的配套,你現在不開放個人持庫,我認為還好,為了防避,可是你也必須要去做一套標準的法律的一個持庫的一個內建,我覺得這樣比較合理啦,不然到時候大家連二法律的人司律考試,律師跟司法官到底要來比輸入的速度,這好奇怪。"},{"start":231.021,"end":258.834,"text":"考到之後去做書要看一天就不用打字嘛做書他也不用打字嘛他說我們這套制度就是你來比速度好怪你有沒有覺得很奇怪跟委員報告我們會限制在傳統的八頁五千兩百次一分鐘頂多四十到五十次考生就可以非常有把握的把那一個這一個八頁裡面的用完所以拼速度沒有用"},{"start":259.654,"end":269.637,"text":"因為它是有次數限制的是 所以我的意思我都很擔心這個變革 當然你說一定要像以前那樣 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買那個奇怪怪的規格出來"},{"start":372.94,"end":396.205,"text":"這個就是在講說,數位的轉型,我們要適合考生,那個叫溫度啦!數位轉型,我們這個改革裡面,我們也必須要一個溫度啦!這樣保證這個沒問題嗎?這兩行都沒問題嗎?沒有問題,跟委員報告,目前我們是三件事情第一件事情,其實我們上週末已經有140個現在的法律系學生,他們先來試,那我們正在收回饋,再進行微調,這第一個"},{"start":397.065,"end":413.926,"text":"那第二個就是說如委員所說的我們預計也是盡量可以在一個比較適當的時間,是不是在北中南都可以去協調學校來提供那個實際他們可以去適應一下大概這樣的市場長什麼樣子,這是第二個"},{"start":414.907,"end":440.562,"text":"那第三個就是說我們其實跟委員報告我們這樣的一個小型的實體測驗時間我們還是希望可能會比較抓在一次就是說大概在那個之後因為否則這樣下去現在的時候一方面我們還在調整另一方面也就是比較擔心影響目前的目前要考一次的考生的備考但是我們會提供像委員所說的我們今天在北中南"},{"start":441.202,"end":453.296,"text":"到時候在考試之前提供那還有就是我們考試前我們現在在上億我們在第一節開考前拉長他們可以來先來就是適應的時間盡量把它拉長這個秘書長我認為"},{"start":456.555,"end":484.266,"text":"這個對於整個私立考試第二次改採這個電腦的一個硬式喔這是國家考選制度的一個與時俱進的一個重大的一個里程碑啊這你們要衝的好誰啦 這不要開玩笑變成說一個重大的一個改變另外第二個啊 這個部長你請回喔我要來請秘書長就是說剛才我想很多委員會講到那個考機的制度啦這個考機制度喔 真麻煩 你就知道你"},{"start":485.886,"end":499.95,"text":"這非常清楚啦 以前的就是為什麼大家會比較不去相信這個制度就是說現在你們在考試分配名額啦新人去買 你看你就等他去買而已啊沒有啊 算很好了啊甚至於"},{"start":503.732,"end":532.453,"text":"大家疑的人就是輪流像比如說剛剛前面兩位委員我看到他們都提到那個縱放人犯那個部分都被人家懲罰 被人家罰疑等對不對問題是說 如果我們等到去賣我們如果做到要死也要疑等所以這個有時候 你就去看縱放人犯的人要疑等做到要死也要疑等譬如說我一千塊要疑等如果是75%要是假等"},{"start":533.891,"end":551.585,"text":"就長期讓人家感覺這不是在看表現,你就是在框一個比例而已。你現在說要來取消加等的一個上限,不是不可以,但是我要提醒就是說,你如果沒有一個配套的話,還是會產生一些不公平。"},{"start":552.492,"end":564.739,"text":"還是會產生一些不公平長期以來 做官的 譬如我做秘書長 應該你不會啦 你例外啦做到官做部長的人 我比較害怕的比較害怕的 性質比較好 就是人之常情啊"},{"start":566.104,"end":586.573,"text":"很合理啊 人就是這樣子啊但問題就是說對那些努力的人 你看不見啦有時候擔憂很大的話你也看不見啦有些考試也輪不到你打啦我們只是看那個制度這樣在運作所以長期就會產生這樣的一個不公平所以我倒認為就是說有沒有可能我看現在國防部那個不錯"},{"start":588.214,"end":603.232,"text":"國安部現在你看 下隊上同儕都要去做一個評分 量化 多項去做一個評價甚至與聯機校的部分 用記錄來講話 不要靠印象我這個當長官的 我對你印象多好"},{"start":604.195,"end":608.999,"text":"那是我對你好,你給我拍馬屁啊,還是說你給我攔鹽啊,你給我攔鹽好啊,看自己好啊,應該是有落實這樣的一個績效的一個基點的一個制度啦,甚至於呢,這有時候做豬肝的都要自肥,所以那個點數的一個分配,你給它設一個上限,"},{"start":625.29,"end":643.997,"text":"讓整個公務人員這樣的一個烤雞的一個制度讓它變得比較公平一點啊不然現在公務人員的一個體系裡面很多人人才進不來然後優秀的又留不住簡單講 秘書長你做一個回應好不好"},{"start":644.588,"end":660.154,"text":"好 謝謝委員我先澄清我們不是朝所謂的假等不設上限這樣的一個做法因為我們其實是簡單講打掉重練我們會設立一個新的架構所以不是從原來的架構去微調這樣的處理"},{"start":661.815,"end":685.104,"text":"那在我們新的法案其實強調就是說你要很明確的要辨識出表現真的非常特殊傑出的人因為他這個年度有重大貢獻例如說在防疫那幾年我們就知道有些人他的對國家對人民有特殊重大貢獻你要給他獎勵那在考機的部分可以反映到最頂尖的部分那另外一部分呢真的有需要這個繼續觀察或者是要檢討的人也要把它辨識出來"},{"start":686.184,"end":708.599,"text":"那其他的部分我們就不要去複製過去這種所謂的3比175%這樣的一個比例因為它就創造出兩種不滿一個是拿到一等人覺得我跟拿假的人沒有差那麼多或甚至根本就一樣根本就是輪流這種不滿另外一種是說其實表現最頂尖的人會其實跟平均甚至平均值以下一部分的人"},{"start":709.585,"end":735.877,"text":"得到一樣的獎勵這個看起來也不合理所以我們希望就是說我們還是回歸到一般常態分貝的那個結構那多數的稱職付出辛勞的同仁都得到一致的獎勵但是我們辨識出最優秀的部分然後可以特殊的獎勵那甚至剛剛部長有講我們也還有我們的獎勵辦法裡面還有平時的即時獎勵就不是考積的部分但即時獎勵也可以去強化這個部分"},{"start":736.437,"end":765.12,"text":"所以我們是把那個結構重新再打破重新架構一次其實考試的公平跟考機的公平這兩樣東西喔這個涉及到整個公務體系的喔這個考試院這個地方其實你們應該可以更加把勁要進來的科技要公平啊 合理啊你說考機 要公平啊這也很合理啊進去之後大家也希望可以合理啊這個制度喔 到現在這個制度就是說有那個不平啦我不敢說讓大家多失望啊"},{"start":765.74,"end":784.186,"text":"75%你只要站在好的人 多數的人都會跟你說好 我站在這裡等我都會說你的口氣壞 都會說你這個制度壞 我一定說你好的但是如果有不公平的話 我們就會發現這個國家就會流失很多人才這個部分我們請考試院再加把勁讓整個制度更完整 更來精進 好不好好 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-03-19T10:56:31.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:56:43.298000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委，我們請考試院劉建忻秘書長、考選部劉部長。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-19T10:56:43.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:56:54.766000+08:00","text":"請秘書長、劉部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉秘書長建忻","start":"2026-03-19T10:56:54.766000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T10:56:56.069000+08:00","text":"委員早安。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉部長孟奇","start":"2026-03-19T10:56:56.069000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T10:56:57.372000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-03-19T10:56:57.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:57:16.638000+08:00","text":"秘書長，還有部長，本席今天針對考試院推動國家考試電腦化這樣的決心表達肯定，而且是高度肯定，在數位化的浪潮底下，做這樣的變革確實是一個重大的里程碑。","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-03-19T10:57:17.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:57:25.392000+08:00","text":"今年是115年（2026年），我有很大的感慨，這三十年改變真的很大！","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-03-19T10:57:26.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:57:31.298000+08:00","text":"我三十年前考上律師，當時考試寫整天，兩天考下來，手都快要麻掉了。","quality":0.607},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-03-19T10:57:38.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:58:01.097000+08:00","text":"這個改革我覺得是對，畢竟時代在走，確實制度要跟上，可是我比較擔心的就是有時候政策對，但是細節常常會決定它到底是成功還是翻車。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-03-19T10:58:02.858000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:58:05.140000+08:00","text":"國考電腦化怎麼樣才會做好？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-03-19T10:58:06.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:58:14.403000+08:00","text":"這個方向我們說是對的，但是我為什麼說細節如果沒有做好的話，會出很大的問題！","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-03-19T10:58:14.763000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:58:53.467000+08:00","text":"譬如這一次你們詞庫的問題，當然現在你說不開放自建的詞庫，這個可以理解，這是為了防弊，可是這整個制度變革以後，以我們以前參加過考試幾十年後來看這個的人來說，會覺得也很好玩的地方是現在司律考試的第一階段也有選擇題了，這個在三十年前都很難想像的，第二階段現在說要開始採電腦應試。","quality":0.835},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-03-19T10:58:56.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:59:02.810000+08:00","text":"我的問題就是我們很擔心這個考試到最後都在比誰打得快，你知道嗎？","quality":0.724},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-03-19T10:59:02.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:59:03.150000+08:00","text":"這很怪！","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-03-19T10:59:03.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:59:05.111000+08:00","text":"我們當年考試是怕字寫得醜。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-03-19T10:59:06.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:59:09.973000+08:00","text":"建忻，你如果當典試委員，改考卷的時候，看到考卷的字寫得像鬼畫符一樣，分數會扣掉，字寫得漂亮的人分數比較高。","quality":0.489},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-03-19T10:59:09.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:59:11.895000+08:00","text":"我如果是典試委員，在評分的時候，看到字看起來舒服的，我多給他1分、2分也很合理。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-03-19T10:59:12.055000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:59:34.468000+08:00","text":"可是考試，尤其是國家考試，是要看他的程度，到底他的見解還是程度是不是好的。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-03-19T10:59:35.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:59:36.389000+08:00","text":"現在要考試服公職，採行這個，大家在那邊打字像在打字比賽，這個也怪！","quality":0.552},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-03-19T10:59:36.669000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T10:59:58.179000+08:00","text":"當然我也認為國家的考選制度要與時俱進，數位化當然是必經之路，但是我為什麼會說必須要非常注意的就是，你也要有一個溫暖的配套。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-03-19T10:59:59.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:00:20.914000+08:00","text":"你現在不開放個人詞庫，我認為還好，這個為了防弊，可是你也必須要去做一套標準法律詞庫的內建，我覺得這樣會比較合理，不然到時候到最後，學法律的人連司律考試是律師和司法官到最後要來比輸入的速度，這好奇怪！","quality":0.835},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-03-19T11:00:22.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:00:31.926000+08:00","text":"考上之後去當司法官自己又不用打字，做律師也不用打字，所以這套制度就是你們來比速度，好怪！","quality":0.675},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-03-19T11:00:32.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:00:33.326000+08:00","text":"你有覺得很奇怪嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"劉部長孟奇","start":"2026-03-19T11:00:34.427000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:00:52.034000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們會限制在傳統的8頁5,200字，1分鐘頂多40到50字，考生就可以非常有把握的把這個8頁用完，所以拚速度沒有用，因為是有字數限制的。這樣！","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-03-19T11:00:52.855000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:00:58.576000+08:00","text":"所以我的意思是我都很擔心這個變革，當然你說一定要像以前那樣，好像也不對，兩天下來真的會考死人，但是現在考生比較焦慮的是你的鍵盤是什麼、滑鼠是什麼、螢幕是什麼，我也沒看過。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-03-19T11:00:58.576000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:01:23.445000+08:00","text":"所以本席在這個地方，就是站在一個考生的角度，我們以前都把人家考到「哀爸叫母」，我有一個簡單的要求就是，我們提早公布設備規格及型號，身為長輩，我的小孩要去考試，我會覺得我們花一點錢、花幾千塊，去把設備規格拿回來我們先適應一下，我認為如果沒有讓他先適應的話，這種變革到最後會好像在幹什麼？","quality":0.758},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-03-19T11:01:23.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:01:24.645000+08:00","text":"好像在抽盲盒一樣，我不知道部長的看法是怎樣？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"劉部長孟奇","start":"2026-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分，但即時獎勵也可以去強化這個部分，所以我們是把那個結構重新再打破，重新架構一次。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-03-19T11:08:51.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:09:05.411000+08:00","text":"其實考試的公平和考績的公平這兩樣東西涉及到整個公務體系，考試院在這個地方應該更加把勁，要進來考試要公平，合理啊！","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-03-19T11:09:06.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:09:08.614000+08:00","text":"但是考績要公平，這也很合理啊！","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-03-19T11:09:09.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:09:10.455000+08:00","text":"進去之後大家也希望可以合理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-03-19T11:09:12.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:09:35.186000+08:00","text":"到現在這個制度有不平，我不敢說讓大家都失望，75%拿到好的人，至少多數的人都會說好，我拿到甲等怎麼會說考績差、怎麼會說這個制度差，我一定說你好，但是如果有不公平的話，我們發現這個國家就會流失很多人才，這個部分請考試院再加把勁，讓整個制度更完整、更精進，好不好？謝謝。","quality":0.863},{"speaker":"劉秘書長建忻","start":"2026-03-19T11:09:35.686000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T11:09:37.114571+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-19T11:09:37.414571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T11:09:38.843143+08:00","text":"謝謝莊委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-19T11:09:39.143143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T11:09:42.286000+08:00","text":"接下來請陳培瑜委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}