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如果我們等到去賣我們如果做到要死也要疑等所以這個有時候 你就去看縱放人犯的人要疑等做到要死也要疑等譬如說我一千塊要疑等如果是75%要是假等"},{"start":533.891,"end":551.585,"text":"就長期讓人家感覺這不是在看表現,你就是在框一個比例而已。你現在說要來取消加等的一個上限,不是不可以,但是我要提醒就是說,你如果沒有一個配套的話,還是會產生一些不公平。"},{"start":552.492,"end":564.739,"text":"還是會產生一些不公平長期以來 做官的 譬如我做秘書長 應該你不會啦 你例外啦做到官做部長的人 我比較害怕的比較害怕的 性質比較好 就是人之常情啊"},{"start":566.104,"end":586.573,"text":"很合理啊 人就是這樣子啊但問題就是說對那些努力的人 你看不見啦有時候擔憂很大的話你也看不見啦有些考試也輪不到你打啦我們只是看那個制度這樣在運作所以長期就會產生這樣的一個不公平所以我倒認為就是說有沒有可能我看現在國防部那個不錯"},{"start":588.214,"end":603.232,"text":"國安部現在你看 下隊上同儕都要去做一個評分 量化 多項去做一個評價甚至與聯機校的部分 用記錄來講話 不要靠印象我這個當長官的 我對你印象多好"},{"start":604.195,"end":608.999,"text":"那是我對你好,你給我拍馬屁啊,還是說你給我攔鹽啊,你給我攔鹽好啊,看自己好啊,應該是有落實這樣的一個績效的一個基點的一個制度啦,甚至於呢,這有時候做豬肝的都要自肥,所以那個點數的一個分配,你給它設一個上限,"},{"start":625.29,"end":643.997,"text":"讓整個公務人員這樣的一個烤雞的一個制度讓它變得比較公平一點啊不然現在公務人員的一個體系裡面很多人人才進不來然後優秀的又留不住簡單講 秘書長你做一個回應好不好"},{"start":644.588,"end":660.154,"text":"好 謝謝委員我先澄清我們不是朝所謂的假等不設上限這樣的一個做法因為我們其實是簡單講打掉重練我們會設立一個新的架構所以不是從原來的架構去微調這樣的處理"},{"start":661.815,"end":685.104,"text":"那在我們新的法案其實強調就是說你要很明確的要辨識出表現真的非常特殊傑出的人因為他這個年度有重大貢獻例如說在防疫那幾年我們就知道有些人他的對國家對人民有特殊重大貢獻你要給他獎勵那在考機的部分可以反映到最頂尖的部分那另外一部分呢真的有需要這個繼續觀察或者是要檢討的人也要把它辨識出來"},{"start":686.184,"end":708.599,"text":"那其他的部分我們就不要去複製過去這種所謂的3比175%這樣的一個比例因為它就創造出兩種不滿一個是拿到一等人覺得我跟拿假的人沒有差那麼多或甚至根本就一樣根本就是輪流這種不滿另外一種是說其實表現最頂尖的人會其實跟平均甚至平均值以下一部分的人"},{"start":709.585,"end":735.877,"text":"得到一樣的獎勵這個看起來也不合理所以我們希望就是說我們還是回歸到一般常態分貝的那個結構那多數的稱職付出辛勞的同仁都得到一致的獎勵但是我們辨識出最優秀的部分然後可以特殊的獎勵那甚至剛剛部長有講我們也還有我們的獎勵辦法裡面還有平時的即時獎勵就不是考積的部分但即時獎勵也可以去強化這個部分"},{"start":736.437,"end":765.12,"text":"所以我們是把那個結構重新再打破重新架構一次其實考試的公平跟考機的公平這兩樣東西喔這個涉及到整個公務體系的喔這個考試院這個地方其實你們應該可以更加把勁要進來的科技要公平啊 合理啊你說考機 要公平啊這也很合理啊進去之後大家也希望可以合理啊這個制度喔 到現在這個制度就是說有那個不平啦我不敢說讓大家多失望啊"},{"start":765.74,"end":784.186,"text":"75%你只要站在好的人 多數的人都會跟你說好 我站在這裡等我都會說你的口氣壞 都會說你這個制度壞 我一定說你好的但是如果有不公平的話 我們就會發現這個國家就會流失很多人才這個部分我們請考試院再加把勁讓整個制度更完整 更來精進 好不好好 謝謝"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}