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連江縣政府已經行文來 穩了什麼時候 行文 什麼時候行文 應該是上個禮拜的上個禮拜 那我告訴你這個事情已經持續快兩年了所以他被我們追到不行 他們現在來跟你們求救我要說連江縣政府真的很糟糕這個被申訴的衛生局局長真的很糟糕"},{"start":384.565,"end":400.403,"text":"不是你們的問題好 所以謝謝你們那你們收到公文之後你們就要回覆他們對不對會 當然好 那我要說如果按照主委你剛剛的解釋他其實在法理上你們會認定他是同一個單位那既然他是同一個單位他是不是就應該要受理相關的霸凌案是"},{"start":401.184,"end":416.572,"text":"好他就是跟連江縣政府去連江縣政府是他的上級機關是好太好了那我們會持續追蹤最後跟您請教一個問題這一位公費醫師他在法律身份上算不算公務人員保障法裡面所保障的公務人員"},{"start":417.512,"end":440.913,"text":"算算是拜託再大聲一點算算我會去告訴連江縣政府保訓會主委告訴大家這位公費醫師是屬於公務人員保障法裡面要保障的公務人員好如果是這樣現在如果用公務人員職場霸凌處理指引他們的法定申訴管道應該向誰提出我可以回答說他應該還是要向連江縣政府直接提出對嗎對"},{"start":442.074,"end":459.313,"text":"好 太好了如果後續我們在處理上有相關的爭議跟問題我們辦公室會再持續協助這位公費醫師因為我要強調他是一位非常年輕的公費醫師他之所以到北甘鄉市那是他的家鄉他自願請教回家鄉做公費醫師的服務而且他告訴我"},{"start":459.974,"end":476.506,"text":"他還想繼續留在那裡他還想留在家鄉我要說公費醫師現在有多麼的珍貴而這個年輕醫師卻因為這個霸凌案被連江縣政府衛生局跟連江縣政府不當對待我們會持續追蹤後續在相關法規上也需要保訓會協助我們好嗎好 謝謝主委 謝謝主席 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-03-19T11:09:50.291000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:09:53.752000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請銓敘部施部長。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-19T11:09:54.112000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:09:58.794000+08:00","text":"請施部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"施部長能傑","start":"2026-03-19T11:09:58.794000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T11:09:59.794000+08:00","text":"陳委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-03-19T11:09:59.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:09:59.674000+08:00","text":"施部長早安。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-03-19T11:09:59.934000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:10:13.739000+08:00","text":"有一件事情要先謝謝您，我們在今年1月的時候，有快速跟您討論關於公務人員媒合機制平臺的事情，謝謝你們非常快速、迅速地做了回應，而且我知道你們跟人總有做一個方案跟規劃，對嗎？","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"施部長能傑","start":"2026-03-19T11:10:15.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:10:17.662000+08:00","text":"對，也謝謝人總，因為這個還是要透過它的平臺，這是最方便的方式。","quality":0.593},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-03-19T11:10:17.882000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:10:18.283000+08:00","text":"是、是、是！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-03-19T11:10:18.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:10:27.113000+08:00","text":"因為今天他沒有在被主席邀請出席的名單內，不過我還是把相關問題提出來，還是要拜託銓敘部持續跟人總討論，怎麼說呢？","quality":0.863},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-03-19T11:10:27.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:10:37.082000+08:00","text":"因為當時我們提到一個非常重要的事情是新上任、剛考上的這些公務員，他們可能大概有20%到25%是選擇不到任，就放棄了，選擇重考。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-03-19T11:10:37.883000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:11:02.522000+08:00","text":"當時我們就有考慮過，是不是因為他們被分發的地方可能是離他們的家鄉太遠、離他們現在的家庭、社區太遠，所以我們當時會跟人總還有銓敘部提出這個建議，主要還有一個部分是針對新考上的公務員，可是我們現在看到你們跟人總設計出的這個平臺，我們問了人總，它說因為尚未具有公務人員任用資格，非屬陞遷法第三條之適用對象。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-03-19T11:11:04.102000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:11:20.428000+08:00","text":"問題就剛好出現在法規範跟我們有心想要完成、促進的平臺之間，剛好有這個法規上的空缺，我不會說是漏洞、是空缺，因為確實這些剛考上的人，他沒有報到，在法理上，他就不是所謂的公務員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-03-19T11:11:20.568000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:11:25.330000+08:00","text":"我們想了一想，我們想要請教一下施部長，實務上，我們可以怎麼幫助這些公務員？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-03-19T11:11:27.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:11:38.009000+08:00","text":"我們在想如果這百分之二十幾的人，他們因為沒有報到，因為他們可能看到自己被分發的地方不是他們想要去的，他們就選擇不報到，我們到底要怎麼解決？","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-03-19T11:11:38.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:11:42.512000+08:00","text":"我們試著在現行法規裡面找到一個可能性，也想跟銓敘部討論看看。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-03-19T11:11:43.573000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:12:10.385000+08:00","text":"目前在公務人員考試及格人員分發辦法裡面的第十一條有講到考試及格的分發辦法，相關的這三項我們都沒有什麼問題，但是我們在想，如果讓高普考及格的人也可以準用公務人員互調交流平臺的機制，有沒有辦法在這個分發辦法裡面加上第四項，就叫做讓高普考及格的人也可以用，有沒有這個可能？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-03-19T11:12:11.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:12:15.306000+08:00","text":"但我都說需要討論，我們只是先提出，因為之前的問題是我們提出的嘛！","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-03-19T11:12:16.507000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:12:29.974000+08:00","text":"謝謝你們進一步做了平臺，可是這些考上及格的人，他可能分發報到時，發現地點不是他想要去的，他可能就還是沒有來，因為在你們的平臺裡面說這些人不適用，所以我把這個問題再提出來。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-03-19T11:12:29.974000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:12:32.997000+08:00","text":"部長，你不用現在回答我，我只是要拜託你們。","quality":1},{"speaker":"施部長能傑","start":"2026-03-19T11:12:32.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:12:35.259000+08:00","text":"我知道，這真的是一個tough的question。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-03-19T11:12:35.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:12:37+08:00","text":"對，我們一起努力，好不好？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"施部長能傑","start":"2026-03-19T11:12:37+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T11:12:38+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-03-19T11:12:37.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:12:38.522000+08:00","text":"謝謝部長，就拜託了。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-03-19T11:12:38.662000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:12:50.372000+08:00","text":"我們辦公室也會再把相關資料提交給銓敘部跟人總，拜託你們持續協助，我們一起解決這些優秀的年輕公務員可以報到，而且是他們想去的地方，代表我們公務機關其實是有誠意的，好不好？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"施部長能傑","start":"2026-03-19T11:12:50.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:12:55.436000+08:00","text":"我想後續需要的時候，再跟委員互動討論。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-03-19T11:12:55.436000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:12:58.398000+08:00","text":"好，兩個月內會不會太趕？","quality":1},{"speaker":"施部長能傑","start":"2026-03-19T11:12:58.398000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:13:01.200000+08:00","text":"我覺得這個事情可能涉及到很嚴肅的法律問題。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳委員培瑜","start":"2026-03-19T11:13:01.320000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:13:02.581000+08:00","text":"那沒關係，我們時間就先不押……","quality":0.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