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謝謝那再來我回到今天的我想今天的整個廠商條例裡面其實適用範圍的部分擴大經濟部應該是原則上是同意這樣的方向的因為你們的辦法裡面其實也是8年所以我想這樣的方向應該有助於我們對於新創的一個也謝謝邱委員的一個提案那其實我們來看一下數字上"},{"start":124.875,"end":144.21,"text":"如果是3到5年有1165家但是如果5到8年的話就有3061家會增加了將近到3倍的一個新創的量納入我覺得對於新創是一個鼓舞啦而且新創也確實是台灣也是世界都很重視的我想這樣的方向經濟部支持嘛"},{"start":144.73,"end":172.449,"text":"支持好支持那我們再來看一下其實整個所有的包括各個產業界的也都希望能夠增強企業投資新創的意願而這是最關鍵的如果我們能夠有更多政府的支持更多企業願意投入到肯定跟支持新創的能量的話那我們新創最有更多可能性那新創只要有一些能夠成功的話其實有帶動起很大的一個動能了所以我覺得這樣的投資對於台灣這樣的國家來說"},{"start":175.01,"end":195.959,"text":"所以我們希望在政策上有更多的放寬跟鼓勵跟支持我們的企業來投入我們的新創那國外的經濟裡面有很多像包括義大利包括法國包括南韓甚至於泰國都有用專法的方式來做一個對新創的鼓勵經濟部要朝這樣的方向來走嗎"},{"start":197.169,"end":210.199,"text":"我們會來做研議啦研議看能不能是在產創條例裡面還是在有一個專法產創條例當然是個專章而已但是我剛剛也講了幾個國家都是用專法的方式我也建議其實經濟部可以審慎評估"},{"start":212.28,"end":237.547,"text":"當我們認為新創事業是一個新的重要的事業的話產業的話我們用專法的話顯現出我們對於新創事業的重視同時間我們也給予更大的一個肯定就像最早期的時候這個再生能源只是在能源裡面的一個專章而已但是後來我們把它立了一個新的法出來之後我們推動再生能源的力道跟態度就是不一樣所以我也希望未來新創是用專法的方向也希望經濟部朝這個方向來推動好嗎"},{"start":238.007,"end":265.385,"text":"好 我們來演繹好 謝謝那另外新創其實存在著南北的差異這個也請葉主委也一起思考其實幾乎集中在台北我們看這個家數裡面台北就7000多家裡面台北就佔了4000多家新北又佔了1400多家兩者幾乎佔了最高的一個比例那中部1200多家 南部大概1500多家但中部集中在台中 南部就是高雄跟台南"},{"start":265.845,"end":289.679,"text":"所以我會強烈的還是會 這我每年幾乎都要求的我也希望經濟部也希望國發會持續來推動讓怎麼樣讓新創在南部特別是中南部能夠有發展的機會這個就需要的是各位要更強力的去輔導跟協助大多數能量比較強的都是在北部那如果南部的部分所以我還希望不管是你們的天使計畫你們的各種的輔導的計畫"},{"start":291.3,"end":319.125,"text":"一定還是要請葉竹偉請何次長這邊要加強對於南部的輔導的力道南部他們不是他們不需要也不是他們扶持不起來而是他們其實需要更多的協助所以我希望在部裡的資源跟國發的資源要加重對中南部的不管是高雄台南或者台中這幾個主要都會的他們本身有很強的新創能量但需要更多的支持所以我這個希望竹偉跟這個次長能夠加強這樣力道好嗎"},{"start":321.532,"end":337.003,"text":"主委要不要也說明一下好不好這幾年其實我也是在逼國發會重視這個問題那成效其實很有限主委要不要講一下怎麼來理解就這個部分跟委員報告就是說我們在114年已經有投資了大概300家的新創然後投資金額大概是43億那帶動民間"},{"start":338.844,"end":358.484,"text":"共同投資有178億那就高雄及南部地區在114年的投資金額跟件數來看的話高雄這個部分的話已經有投資14家的新創那金額大概來到1.74億那在南部的話有一些就有投資了30億家的新創事業那金額大概是4.4億"},{"start":359.565,"end":374.315,"text":"那截至在今年的2月底為止我們南部的辦公室協助新創的情況我們有大概辦了10場的廣宣你提這個我大概都知道但是事實上在跟北部還是有相當大的落差我想這是個事實"},{"start":375.115,"end":402.615,"text":"所以我希望因為從這個表上面都很清楚看到其實北部跟南部的落差相當大所以我希望給一個目標希望在下次在今年度的時候我看到至少高雄在新創這樣的能量至少達到台北的一半加速至少努力到台北的一半我不敢馬上追上台北但至少要台北的一半這樣南北之間的差距才能夠縮減好不好我希望兩位都能以這樣為目標去要求你們的團隊好不好高雄的數量達到至少台北的一半"},{"start":403.739,"end":404.807,"text":"好我下次會來檢視這樣的數字啦好謝謝主委謝謝市長好謝謝委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-19T11:23:35.413000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:23:38.194000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，先請何次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-19T11:23:38.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:23:44.457000+08:00","text":"請經濟部何次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-19T11:23:44.457000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T11:23:45.457000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-19T11:23:44.457000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:23:57.943000+08:00","text":"次長，我先請教一下，大林蒲遷村已經相當久的時間，我先問一個，經濟部有沒有信心在明年正式啟動遷村，讓整個啟動程序完全進行？","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-19T11:23:59.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:24:00.655000+08:00","text":"當然我們的目標是這樣，沒錯啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-19T11:24:02.837000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:24:06.541000+08:00","text":"我們希望能夠今年底完成環評跟都計的作業程序。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-19T11:24:07.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:24:10.064000+08:00","text":"這些都完成之後，明年就可以正式遷村了嘛！","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-19T11:24:10.064000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T11:24:11.064000+08:00","text":"對，我們希望是這樣的進程。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-19T11:24:10.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:24:14.788000+08:00","text":"明年正式遷村，我們希望這個目標一定要全力完成，因為鄉親等待相當久的時間了。是。","quality":0.771},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-19T11:24:16.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:24:21.910000+08:00","text":"所以現在的環評跟都計都在程序當中，也都在經濟部的掌握當中？是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-19T11:24:22.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:24:23.131000+08:00","text":"應該沒有問題啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-19T11:24:23.431000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:24:23.871000+08:00","text":"應該沒問題。好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-19T11:24:24.371000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:24:30.572000+08:00","text":"另外我請教一下，要增購台糖的6.7公頃土地，這個有沒有問題？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-19T11:24:30.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:24:30.712000+08:00","text":"這應該沒問題啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-19T11:24:30.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:24:31.613000+08:00","text":"這也沒有問題？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-19T11:24:31.613000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:24:33.353000+08:00","text":"對，我們大概就是會跟台糖協議。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-19T11:24:33.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:24:33.533000+08:00","text":"協議增購啦！對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-19T11:24:38.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:24:46.078000+08:00","text":"另外，我請教所謂無房無地住戶社宅方案，溝通協調什麼時候可以完成？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-19T11:24:47.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:24:52.542000+08:00","text":"我們有把這個意見提到院裡面，我想院會再處理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-19T11:24:52.742000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:24:54.643000+08:00","text":"我希望這個儘快完成，好不好？是。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-19T11:24:56.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:24:57.773000+08:00","text":"次長，這個預計多久可以完成？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-19T11:24:57.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:25:00.316000+08:00","text":"我覺得經濟部要設定一個時間點。","quality":1},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-19T11:25:00.316000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:25:03.539000+08:00","text":"是，我們儘快請院出面協助。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-19T11:25:03.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:25:06.863000+08:00","text":"好，我希望一個月內把這件事情定案，好嗎？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-19T11:25:06.863000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:25:08.0240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至少要有臺北的一半，這樣南北之間的差距才能夠縮減，好不好？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-19T11:30:10.651000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:30:13.753000+08:00","text":"我希望兩位都能以這樣為目標去要求你們的團隊，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-19T11:30:13.753000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T11:30:14.753000+08:00","text":"好，我們持續努力。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-19T11:30:14.694000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:30:17.739000+08:00","text":"高雄的數量至少達到臺北的一半。好。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-19T11:30:17.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:30:18.182000+08:00","text":"我下次會再檢視這樣的數字。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-19T11:30:18.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:30:18.767000+08:00","text":"謝謝主委，謝謝次長。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-03-19T11:30:18.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:30:18.807000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-19T11:30:19.307000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T11:30:21.307000+08:00","text":"謝謝賴瑞隆委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-19T11:30:21.607000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T11:30:26.749857+08:00","text":"好像沒有到一半，現在大概才十分之一而已。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-19T11:30:27.049857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T11:30:28.192714+08:00","text":"四分之一？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-19T11:30:28.492714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T11:30:30.207000+08:00","text":"十分之一！對啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-19T11:30:30.507000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T11:30:31.507000+08:00","text":"差很多。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-19T11:30:31.807000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T11:30:35.807000+08:00","text":"主委再加油一下，南部的新創太少。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-19T11:30:36.107000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T11:30:40.678429+08:00","text":"下一位陳超明、陳超明、陳超明委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-19T11:30:40.978429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T11:30:47.835571+08:00","text":"登記發言委員除不在場之外，其餘均已發言完畢，詢答結束。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-19T11:30:48.135571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T11:30:56.135571+08:00","text":"委員羅智強、林德福、羅明才、陳超明所提書面質詢，列入紀錄，刊登公報。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-19T11:30:56.435571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T11:31:09.007000+08:00","text":"書面質詢及未及答復部分，請相關單位於一週之內以書面答復，並副知本會，委員另有要求期限者，從其所定。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}