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院長好首先我要先跟您請教一下最近其實我們勞動部做了蠻好的政策就是我自己也有提案就育嬰留庭的如果是雙親如果是都有請到六個月的話可以各加碼一個月那我覺得這是非常好的政策因為現在有很多爸媽其實都希望說"},{"start":39.127,"end":63.309,"text":"我們政府可以當雙清的後盾那來替他們解憂那也希望說這個育兒環境可以更友善但是呢除了雙清覺得說除了時間大家也希望錢也要增加所以我在這邊先請教院長一個問題知不知道我們現在育嬰柳亭如果他是月薪五萬塊的勞工那他請假的話一個月可以拿多少育嬰柳亭的補貼"},{"start":67.419,"end":85.853,"text":"如果是因為現在投保薪資是四五八零零所以他最高用四五八零零那如果算四五八零零的八成的話三六六四零沒錯那如果一個月月薪十萬的勞工他可以拿多少的育嬰留庭的補貼呢"},{"start":86.593,"end":97.673,"text":"也是36640沒錯所以這個就是很多人不敢請的原因因為你無論薪資是多少你月薪五萬月薪十萬大家最多就是只能拿36640"},{"start":100,"end":123.173,"text":"那所以這個就是我想要在這邊幫很多雙親的家庭來請益因為其實勞動部也是希望說如果是家裡的男性多願意請的話也很好可是就現在的薪資結構比確實雙親裡面男性願意請的比例偏低因為通常他們的薪資偏高這也是過去我們一直在談性別不平等一個很希望可以去改變的結構嘛"},{"start":124.454,"end":145.341,"text":"可是呢以目前的結構來說因為男性的薪資比較高所以呢他們通常要去請的成本比較高那他們也比較不願意請因為再怎麼樣我的薪資再怎麼高不好意思一個月最多就是36640當然我覺得這個已經是政府很大的善意也很努力想要鼓勵這些雙親都去平均的請完"},{"start":146.181,"end":159.866,"text":"但是這個比例一直拉不上來我認為跟津貼的這個金額太低有一點關係所以我很希望的是有沒有機會一個方式就是說我們來檢討這個投保薪資的急劇上限"},{"start":160.868,"end":183.673,"text":"打開天花板跟黃委員說明因為確實現在就業保險的這個投保薪資的上限他是跟勞保聯動的那我認為我們可以來研議那我自己願意來研議比方說如果在舊保的投保薪資的上限那是不是來跟勞保的狀況"},{"start":184.833,"end":206.653,"text":"也許有一個脫鉤的狀況我覺得這部分我想我們來評估一下這件事情的可行性但的確投保新的上限也會連動到因為這個投保新的上限也會跟失業的給付有關因為在舊保裡面他同時會有160的給付跟失業給付所以也會需要去拿捏他跟失業給付之間的橫頻"},{"start":208.459,"end":224.97,"text":"好 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我想各個縣市各個學校的一個情況確實會差異蠻大的所以第一個我想拜託部長你們先回去統計是輔導老師大家的平常的按量大概是落在什麼樣的數字那第二個就是要不要來訂按量的上限確保這一些按量比的品質因為現在其實只有師班比沒有按量比"},{"start":638.812,"end":653.238,"text":"就是每個老師到底平均loading可以到多重是一個好的工作量你們都不知道這個是我要這邊回去拜託我想這是一個很專業的一個議題因為每一次談的一個品質到底能不能發揮專業的一個"},{"start":654.899,"end":673.205,"text":"效益我想這裡邊的一個問題不是只是時間量上的一個問題但是我願意這個委員所提的我們會後之後我們來跟專業團體來做一個更深入的討論好 謝謝部長也要拜託如果可以的話我們也給佛道老師一點職務加給吧"},{"start":675.134,"end":698.069,"text":"拜託因為其實我們特教老師也有職務加薪導師也有導師費的增加那現在就是輔導老師沒有教育部在許多的一些勞動工作權益上的報酬它是一個最低的標準但是國民教育基本上是來自地方知識的一個前線"},{"start":699.23,"end":710.747,"text":"各地方縣市政府的一個前者如果他有一個自籌財源他願意基於攬財 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3-20T16:19:02.451000+08:00","text":"跟黃委員說明，因為確實現在就業保險投保薪資的上限是跟勞保連動的，我認為我們可以來研議，我自己願意來研議。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:19:02.451000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-20T16:19:03.451000+08:00","text":"太好了！","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-03-20T16:19:02.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:19:14.336000+08:00","text":"比方如果在就保的投保薪資上限，是不是跟勞保也許有一個脫鉤的狀況？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-03-20T16:19:14.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:19:18.140000+08:00","text":"我覺得這部分，我想我們來評估一下這件事情的可行性。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:19:18.140000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-20T16:19:19.140000+08:00","text":"太好了！","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:19:19.140000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-20T16:19:20.140000+08:00","text":"謝謝部長能夠……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-03-20T16:19:18.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:19:32.633000+08:00","text":"但的確投保薪資上限也會連動到，因為這個投保薪資上限也會跟失業給付有關，在就保裡面，它同時會有育嬰留停給付跟失業給付，所以也會需要去拿捏它跟失業給付之間的衡平。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:19:34.459000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:19:40.603000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝部長的說明，這也是我擔心的情況，因為投保級距其實牽涉的層面比較廣。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:19:40.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:20:01.922000+08:00","text":"另外一種方式，就是我們再額外來增加一些津貼，這也是一種方式，就是直接脫鉤，如果願意請的，我們再給他怎麼樣的津貼，讓他有誘因願意去拿這個津貼、願意去請育嬰留停，我的目標是這樣，我相信這樣才會照顧到更多的勞工，以上建議給部長參考。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:20:02.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:20:18.053000+08:00","text":"另外一部分是公務員，請幫我看一下這個投影片，因為公務員的情況又更嚴重了，他其實只能拿本俸的八成，如果公務員要請育嬰留停的話，他最多可以拿多少呢？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:20:19.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:20:36.817000+08:00","text":"請人事總處看一下，我這邊舉一個例子，這是以薦任七職等、本俸三級為例，他的本俸是三萬三千多，然後專業加給是兩萬六千多，雖然他的全薪有六萬以上，可是最後他拿到的津貼，人事總處知道是多少嗎？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"蘇人事長俊榮","start":"2026-03-20T16:20:36.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:20:37.497000+08:00","text":"大概兩萬七左右。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:20:40.159000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:20:53.950000+08:00","text":"沒錯，兩萬七，也就是雖然薪資看起來有六萬，你說給他八成，但其實只有本俸的八成，也就是最後拿到的不到他薪資的一半，所以你說很多公務員他真的敢請嗎？","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:20:53.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:20:54.450000+08:00","text":"他不敢請！","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:20:55.811000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:20:56.812000+08:00","text":"這就是現在的情況。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:20:57.933000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:21:04.038000+08:00","text":"雖然政府的美意很好，但實質上對勞工、對公務員來說，他們都請不下去啊！","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:21:05.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:21:14.646000+08:00","text":"這就是我在此想要請教院長的，是不是我們可以有一些更多元的方案，讓這個美意是可以有效果的呢？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-20T16:21:15.988000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:21:18.510000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員這樣一個方向的提醒。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-20T16:21:18.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:21:43.050000+08:00","text":"其實一個新的制度從零到有，第一步就是這樣踏出來，就像金字塔一樣慢慢地往上堆疊，未來這還要考量到國家整體財務的結構、財務的負擔以及實施之後各方的反映，而這個需求，不管是公務員，不管是勞工，不管是男性、女性的需求，我們會再做一個評估跟分析。","quality":0.888},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-20T16:21:44.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:21:49.538000+08:00","text":"為了鼓勵更多以達到這個政策本來的用意，可以往更正面的方向來做研討。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-03-20T16:21:50.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:22:04.843000+08:00","text":"委員，我想要補充一下，就剛才講的，的確男性目前的平均薪資比較高，可是在新制施行、也就是可以以日申請之後，男性申請的比例確實也大幅地提高……","quality":0.803},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-20T16:22:04.843000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-20T16:22:05.904000+08:00","text":"增加了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:22:05.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:22:07.224000+08:00","text":"將近五成，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-03-20T16:22:07.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:22:10.826000+08:00","text":"現在已經到四成五，我認為接下來可能會更高，甚至會接近一半、一半。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-03-20T16:22:11.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:22:18.771000+08:00","text":"所以我們也是用各種的方式、用各種的條件，希望能夠讓男性請的比例也可以再拉高。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:22:19.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:22:20.972000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝部長的補充。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:22:21.212000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:22:36.980000+08:00","text":"我也認為像這樣子彈性多元的做法越多越好，你適合什麼樣的方案、你想要什麼樣的條件，我們都儘量提供給大家，讓大家有最大的方便願意請育嬰留停，以上是我的建議。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:22:38.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:22:40.582000+08:00","text":"勞動部長跟人事總處人事長先請回。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:22:41.322000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:22:46.864000+08:00","text":"再請教教育部長，我要講一下專任輔導教師權益的事情。","quality":0.696},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:22:47.485000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:23:03.291000+08:00","text":"首先要先感謝院長，因為我們去年年底有調升導師費、鐘點費，也有行政的獎金，大家都很肯定，但是，有一些人很肯定；有一些人就覺得，那我呢？","quality":0.772},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:23:03.931000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:23:13.621000+08:00","text":"所以我在這邊還要再幫一群目前沒有被照顧到的老師來爭取權益，也就是這些專任的輔導教師。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:23:15.143000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:23:25.914000+08:00","text":"請看一下這個投影片，這是有一些老師來跟我陳情，他們是臺中的老師，然後他們有一個輔導教師的工作規範，裡面是怎麼規定的呢？","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:23:27.435000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:23:39.178000+08:00","text":"裡面規定每個專任輔導教師每學期國小的部分最少要160人次，國中要到180人次，這是他們案量的樓地板，但是沒有天花板。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:23:39.638000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:23:50.860000+08:00","text":"也就是說，我們要求輔導老師最少要做到這些，但是沒有告訴他們，如果他們做超過了，多做、多照顧學生的部分該怎麼辦？","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:23:50.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:24:18.437000+08:00","text":"沒有人照顧他們，沒有人鼓勵他們，所以我在這邊想要幫他們來請纓，拜託部長，可不可以用更多的方式來鼓勵，如果他們真的多做了，可以讓他們有一些補償、補貼，或者是我們乾脆設定一個天花板，讓他知道最多的開案量也不會超過這樣的案量上限，讓他們可以保持在一定的品質呢？","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-03-20T16:24:22.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:24:27.452000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員關心我們專任輔導老師在工作上的權益。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-03-20T16:24:29.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:24:39.097000+08:00","text":"專任輔導老師的職務跟我們一般學校裡面學科老師的職務當然是不一樣的，進用的資格也不同。當然。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-03-20T16:24:40.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:24:47.762000+08:00","text":"至於各縣市的狀況，像剛才委員所提的臺中，我們可以邀請專業的心理諮商輔導團體等等，來討論看怎麼樣是適當的工作量。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-03-20T16:24:47.822000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:25:21.017000+08:00","text":"倒是委員關心他們的權益，事實上，依偏遠地區學校教育發展條例，專任輔導老師、社工師的久任獎金有比照正式教師來辦理，在鐘點費這個部分，我想也許可以從那個角度來考慮，但是從整體來看，我們還是要再來跟人事行政總處討論。","quality":0.677},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-03-20T16:25:21.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:25:36.072000+08:00","text":"至於剛才委員所關心的工作量，本來這樣的工作有時候還真的是很難拿捏，因為跟一個學生進行晤談1個小時可能有的要連續10次，有的可能2次就結束了。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:25:36.072000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-20T16:25:37.072000+08:00","text":"當然啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:25:37.072000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-20T16:25:38.072000+08:00","text":"可長可短、可深可淺。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-03-20T16:25:36.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:25:55.419000+08:00","text":"所以對這個部分我們要討論出一個適度的工作量，然後不要讓心理或專業輔導師過勞而產生burn out，我想這都不是我們所樂見的，我們會來跟專業團體研究。","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:25:55.599000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:26:20.161000+08:00","text":"所以我在這邊拜託部長，我也在這邊反映一個事情，因為我很想知道現在我們的專業輔導教師到底平均的開案量是多少，就是大家的loading到底多重，但是教育部沒有這個數字，代表你們完全沒有統計過到底輔導教師平常要接多少案量，你們只有告訴他們樓地板，但是有的是在人口很密集的地方，那些輔導老師平常的案量可能非常大，你們都不知道！","quality":0.859},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-03-20T16:26:21.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:26:26.627000+08:00","text":"是，我想各個縣市、各個學校的情況確實差異滿大的。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:26:27.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:26:35.469000+08:00","text":"我想拜託部長，第一個，你們先回去統計輔導老師平常的案量大概是落在什麼樣的數字。是。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:26:36.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:26:52.355000+08:00","text":"第二個就是要不要來訂案量的上限，以確保這些案量比的品質，因為現在其實只有師班比而沒有案量比，就是每個老師到底平均loading到多重是一個好的工作量，你們都不知道，這個是我要在這邊拜託你們回去做的。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-03-20T16:26:52.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:26:55.617000+08:00","text":"我想這是一個很專業的議題……是啊！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:26:55.617000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-20T16:26:56.617000+08:00","text":"所以請你們回去研究。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-03-20T16:26:55.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:27:14.683000+08:00","text":"因為每一次談的品質到底能不能發揮專業的效益，我想在這裡邊的問題並不只是時間長短的問題，但是我願意就委員所提的問題在會後來跟專業團體做更深入的討論。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:27:14.683000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:27:22.235000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝部長，也要拜託你們，如果可以的話，我們也給輔導老師一點職務加給吧！拜託！","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:27:22.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:27:31.881000+08:00","text":"因為其實特教老師也有職務加給，然後導師的導師費也有增加，那現在就是輔導老師沒有。","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-03-20T16:27:33.122000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:27:56.727000+08:00","text":"也跟委員報告，其實很多時候我也跟各地方縣市的教育局處首長有分享，就是教育部在許多勞動工作權益上的報酬是一個最低的標準，但是國民教育基本上是來自於地方自治的權限，是各地方縣市政府的權責，如果他們有自籌財源，願意基於攬才、留才而予以適度的加碼，持平而論，我們教育部的立場是樂觀其成的。","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:27:57.816000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:28:00.580000+08:00","text":"我們中央有經費，也要表達這樣的誠意啊！","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:28:00.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:28:01.180000+08:00","text":"好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-03-20T16:28:01.521000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:28:09.130000+08:00","text":"我也跟委員報告，像這一次的導師費或工作獎金，事實上都是院長特別指示的。","quality":0.781},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:28:09.130000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-20T16:28:10.130000+08:00","text":"院長，拜託您，好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:28:10.130000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-20T16:28:11.130000+08:00","text":"我們也來多照顧這些專任的輔導老師。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-20T16:28:09.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:28:30.401000+08:00","text":"在我們充分了解剛剛委員所說導師還有行政人員各種待遇這麼多年來都沒有辦法做合理調整的時候，我們就立刻決定要來處理，所以剛剛提到的輔導老師這個部分，也請教育部來好好地分析過程怎麼樣，我們會來做一個更合理的決定。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:28:30.761000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:28:33.605000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，教育部部長先請回。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:28:33.986000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:28:52.609000+08:00","text":"最後，我要請教一下，其實昨天央行有提到要放寬大家購屋第二戶的貸款成數，從五成提高到六成，我認為這個受益最多的當然是換屋族，有一部分的換屋族可能壓力就可以減輕一點了！","quality":0.816},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:28:54.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:29:07.377000+08:00","text":"其實社會上有在討論為什麼是在這個時候來進行放寬，然後放寬了一成，可不可以先請院長講一下你們接下來的一些想法？","quality":0.608},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:29:08.097000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:29:22.206000+08:00","text":"我之所以會這樣問，就是因為新青安的期限也快要落日了，就是到今年的7月，所以我在這邊也想要一併地請教，因為其實有很多人都在問：會不會有新青安2.0？","quality":0.656},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:29:22.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:29:24.047000+08:00","text":"如果有的話，會是長什麼樣子？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:29:24.548000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:29:46.704000+08:00","text":"我先講一下，其實最近相關報導非常多，大家眾說紛紜，這個是新聞上寫的，但是不知道是不是真的，所以我要來這邊請院長、部長證實我們新青安2.0的方向是長什麼樣子，是真的要改成只有首次購置自有住宅才可以嗎？","quality":0.697},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:29:46.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:29:52.208000+08:00","text":"還是說5年的寬限期要嚴縮到3年了嗎？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:29:52.208000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:29:55.811000+08:00","text":"還有，有一些利息的補貼是不是要取消了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:29:56.251000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:30:07.139000+08:00","text":"甚至有所謂的80條款，就是借款人年齡加上貸款年限不能超過80年，請問以上4點是你們的方向嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-03-20T16:30:07.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-20T16:3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