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跟委員報告那這個部分我們也有參考香港HKMA的相關指引那我們會請銀行公會就試辦的部分我們會在六個月之內訂出指引出來那所以你說要試辦多久啦"},{"start":351.524,"end":369.518,"text":"試辦的期程原則上是一年但是我們會開始了嘛 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我們不是明文我們就第一個其他金主管居然同意的虛擬資產業務嘛那這部分其實更廣 更有彈性當然就是說現在其實這個大家的目的都相同只是說我們現在希望利用這個專法告訴各位就是說我們希望是一個比較穩健的方式來執行這樣的一個市場的開放"},{"start":533.25,"end":549.308,"text":"那所以說就在野黨他們所提出來就是說希望能夠開放一些衍生性的金融商品的話就目前按照主委所講的不會應該是說列在執法裡面去做處理嗎還是怎麼樣執法裡面我剛講過就是說剛剛那個那個"},{"start":550.725,"end":551.045,"text":"但是含含啊"},{"start":570.525,"end":585.58,"text":"當然啦 因為未來我們在很多公開的組合也講說我們從來都沒有說不願意做我們只是想說希望我們用進階那這個東西呢 給予主管機關比較大的監理的彈性來做這件事情我想也是保障我們的交易人啦好 最後再問 現在這個虛擬資產它能夠列入這個我們企業的財報嗎"},{"start":592.032,"end":602.287,"text":"現在我們請我們的會員基金會我們會計界在三月底會提出他們未來整個列帳的相關的一些的指引出來那方向是怎麼樣有嗎 請"},{"start":606.893,"end":626.555,"text":"報告委員這個部分會計會已經有類似委外一個研究那三月底四月初大家會出來會有一個指引給企業來使用所以是朝向是說可以列入這一個企業財報裡面嗎對就是用什麼樣的會計項目怎麼樣來入賬反正會去把它列進去就對了但是是要怎麼列的方法"},{"start":627.136,"end":643.132,"text":"怎麼去做處理就對了對 其實應該講我想在國際上已經有一些可以來參考那國內因為我們的比較特殊的財快環境必須要經過我們公布一些財快準則這樣方式來揭露好 謝謝謝謝主委 謝謝我們主席"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}