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是因為我們要考慮到整個"},{"start":443.328,"end":468.841,"text":"科技的一個發展然後我們要進行一個迭代的創新所以就無人艇的這個部分我們也會採國內公開招標的方式來進行那相關海軍事實上已經做過一次這個公開商情的一個說明但詳細的這些期程跟預算還是要等大院條例通過以後我們再送預算案進來才可以做最後的確定媒體有報導這個專案就是這個快寫的專案"},{"start":472.97,"end":502.413,"text":"那為什麼一定要到8年才完成中科院的這個快起裝案是中科院現在的一個科研案並不是跟我們特別預算的這一個五連停的沒有這個已經是在公務預算裡面都有編了嘛公務預算對我們不是現在在這個草案裡面我現在問的是快起裝案快起裝案現在還沒有納入我們的特別預算或者是這一個公務預算裡面它現在還是一個科研案"},{"start":504.042,"end":514.758,"text":"現在是科研案?是對,好,那幾年完成?去年已經完成了OK,好,以上好,謝謝黃仁委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:20:27.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:20:28.730000+08:00","text":"有請部長，謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-23T11:20:30.271000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:20:30.551000+08:00","text":"請顧部長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-23T11:20:30.551000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-23T11:20:31.551000+08:00","text":"黃委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:20:30.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:20:51.683000+08:00","text":"部長，我們針對這一次採購特別條例的草案，以立法委員監督的角度來看，最擔心的還是院版第四條空白授權的問題。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:20:51.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:21:10.994000+08:00","text":"我想請教，我們在條例的第四條只寫能力、類別，但沒有把武器名稱寫出來，本席想藉今天詢答的機會，一一的來做釐清，至少讓立院和國人知道有哪些武器。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:21:11.614000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:21:15.837000+08:00","text":"第一項是精準火砲，其對應的裝備是什麼？","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:21:15.837000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:21:16.277000+08:00","text":"有哪一些？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:21:18.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:21:32.589000+08:00","text":"譬如說海馬士多管火箭系統及M109A7的自走砲；第二項是遠程精準打擊飛彈，其對應的裝備是什麼？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:21:32.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:21:33.009000+08:00","text":"有哪一些？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:21:33.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:21:40.436000+08:00","text":"待會你們來回答；第三項，無人載具及其反制系統，其對應的裝備是什麼？","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:21:40.436000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:21:40.917000+08:00","text":"有哪一些？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:21:42.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:21:50.586000+08:00","text":"第四項，防空、反彈道及反裝甲飛彈，其對應的裝備是什麼？","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:21:50.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:21:51.026000+08:00","text":"有哪一些？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:21:51.787000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:22:03.456000+08:00","text":"第五項是AI加C4ISR系統，其對應的戰場管理系統是什麼？","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:22:03.456000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:22:08.742000+08:00","text":"第六項是強化作戰持續量能裝備，其對應的裝備是什麼？","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:22:08.742000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:22:09.163000+08:00","text":"有哪一些？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:22:10.084000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:22:10.264000+08:00","text":"請回答。","quality":1},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-23T11:22:11.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:23:01.663000+08:00","text":"首先還是要跟委員以及有在看轉播的國人說明，要讓他們能夠了解，條例跟預算是不一樣的，條例是在規範我們後續要提出的預算所要做的能力建構，所以條例本身是一個大項，接下來不可能是由我們國防部自己去編這個預算，然後我們就去執行，我們所有的預算案還是要送到大院來，到委員會進行審議，再到大院通過，所以這是第一點，所以不可能條例通過以後好像有一個空白授權，條例跟預算這兩個的程序是完全不同的。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-23T11:23:02.323000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:23:56.660000+08:00","text":"剛剛委員有問到，就我能夠公開的部分跟委員做個報告，精準火砲的部分，剛剛委員有提到應該是M109A7的精準火砲，遠程精準打擊的飛彈應該就是指海馬士的多管火箭飛彈系統，無人載具的部分包括反裝甲型無人機的飛彈系統，包括ALTIUS-700M跟ALTIUS-600ISR；另外我們會有第二代海搜戰術型的無人機，這個講的其實就是銳鳶二型，然後我們有好多款濱海攻擊型及監偵型的無人機，還有無人艇，我們會有一些智慧型的無人機，這些一項一項……","quality":0.803},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:23:56.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:24:02.743000+08:00","text":"好，部長，因為時間因素，你就把這些明細給我一份，好不好？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:24:02.743000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-23T11:24:03.743000+08:00","text":"給我一份。","quality":0},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-23T11:24:03.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:24:08.847000+08:00","text":"我們可以就可公開項目的部分……","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:24:09.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:24:27.816000+08:00","text":"你就給我明細，因為這一個就是針對條例的第四條，我們把這些問題一一的點出來，所以希望你能夠把明細給我，另外就是臺美共同研發及採購對應的裝備，這個有哪一些？","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:24:28.576000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:24:59.835000+08:00","text":"尤其是在一項一項提問的時候，就是要點出問題的核心，第四條的一到六，至少能夠舉列出具體的一些東西，雖然模糊、不明確，但問題不大，但第七項我想請教，第七項根本沒有具體的東西存在，本席甚至認為國防部在擬定條例草案的時候，第七項可能還沒有具體的想法和規劃。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-23T11:25:01.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:25:03.939000+08:00","text":"委員講的是臺美共同研發及採購合作之裝備、系統？對。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-23T11:25:06.542000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:25:12.943000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實我們在機密專報已經做了非常完整的說明，所有參與過機密專報的都知道……","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:25:14.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:25:16.484000+08:00","text":"好，把這一個報告給我一份，好不好？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-23T11:25:16.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:25:18.604000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這個屬於機密。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:25:19.865000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:25:25.486000+08:00","text":"你說是機密報告，那你能不能簡單的幾項讓我知道，好不好？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"黃司長文啓","start":"2026-03-23T11:25:28.686000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:25:57.796000+08:00","text":"報告委員，簡單的說，美方他們在NDA2026年的時候已經編了10億美元的錢要來協助我們獲得各項重要的武器裝備，這個部分美方也希望我們能夠共同投資去採購，因為採購的項目必須在美方確定之後，會來大院進行專報，所以這個部分它是按案去報，它會比我們前面那個報的頻率會更高。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:25:58.176000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:26:01.319000+08:00","text":"因為我看不到你們裡面的部分，所以我才請教你們嘛，好不好？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"黃司長文啓","start":"2026-03-23T11:26:02.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:26:02.900000+08:00","text":"那內容是機密。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:26:03.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:26:08.925000+08:00","text":"好，那你待會就簡單的跟我們再研究後續的部分。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:26:09.646000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:26:11.247000+08:00","text":"另外，我請中科院。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:26:11.287000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:26:44.237000+08:00","text":"根據媒體的報導，國內自殺式無人船在中科院的快奇專案，無人攻擊載具是不對稱作戰最好的手段，本席非常的支持，期望中科院能夠依照期程完成，準時交貨，你能不能回答到底是8年、5年還是6年？","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:26:44.758000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:26:45.678000+08:00","text":"你來回答一下，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-23T11:26:46.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:26:51.123000+08:00","text":"無人艇的部分我們是採公開招標。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:26:51.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:26:56.867000+08:00","text":"是，我現在要知道期程，我想請中科院來回答這個期程。","quality":0.682},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-23T11:26:57.187000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:27:00.609000+08:00","text":"因為這個是屬於我們海軍建軍的……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:27:01.109000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:27:21.489000+08:00","text":"媒體都有報導快奇專案嘛，既然有這樣的快奇專案，剛剛本席也講到本席非常支持，另外就是它的期程到底是8年、6年還是5年，你來回答就好了，好不好？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"邱參謀長俊榮：委員好，海軍參謀長報告","start":"2026-03-23T11:27:24.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:27:32.633000+08:00","text":"整個案子是從116年到122年，我們大概會分116到117，然後118到119跟120到121，我們會分三個階段來做，122年結案。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:27:32.653000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:27:33.054000+08:00","text":"122年結案？是的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-23T11:27:33.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:28:15.141000+08:00","text":"因為我們要考慮到整個科技的發展，然後我們要進行一個迭代的創新，所以就無人艇的部分，我們也會採國內公開招標的方式來進行，相關海軍事實上已經做過一次公開商檢的說明，但這些詳細的期程跟預算，還是要等大院條例通過以後，我們再送預算案進來，才可以做最後的確定。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:28:15.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:28:23.233000+08:00","text":"媒體有報導這個快奇專案，為什麼一定要到8年才完成？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-23T11:28:24.173000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:28:33.540000+08:00","text":"中科院的這個快奇專案是中科院現在的一個科研案，並不是跟我們特別預算的無人艇……沒有直接的關係。","quality":0.744},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:28:33.721000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:28:42.207000+08:00","text":"沒有，這個已經是在公務預算裡面都有編了嘛，不是在這個草案裡面，我現在問的是快奇專案。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-23T11:28:42.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:28:49.393000+08:00","text":"快奇專案現在還沒有納入我們的特別預算或者是公務預算裡面，它現在還是一個科研案。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:28:51.042000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:28:52.785000+08:00","text":"現在是科研案？是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:28:52.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:28:54.307000+08:00","text":"好，那幾年會完成？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"李院長世強","start":"2026-03-23T11:28:56.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:28:57.191000+08:00","text":"去年已經完成了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-03-23T11:28:57.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:28:58.814000+08:00","text":"OK，以上。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-23T11:29:01.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T11:29:01.758000+08:00","text":"謝謝黃仁委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-23T11:29:02.258000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-23T11:29:05.400857+08:00","text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