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主委 給你再說明一下因為這也是外界大家都看的就是說不要說只是放了然後到最後行政院就卡著那到底是哪一個部會在卡沒有沒有 其實跟委員報告啦就是說實際上我們6月27號送進去接下來就是行政院就非常非常密集的審查中間經過兩位政務委員協調各個部會因為這是一個在台灣現在主要有問題的是在哪一個部會現在沒有問題了 現在我剛才講過"},{"start":97.173,"end":115.306,"text":"行政院已經完成所有的審查程序現在就是要報行政院會通過這個程序就會送進大院來所以這個會期就可以出來囉我沒辦法代行政院回答不過我接收到的程序跟訊息應該會在很快的時間就會送過來每個禮拜四都開行政院會嘛"},{"start":115.666,"end":143.983,"text":"所以本席也才納悶的地方是說為什麼連今天我們的召委要排審這相關法令其實照理講院版如果說可以出來的話其實下委就可以來主條啊不是嗎正常我也希望說院版來一起討論啊但是就是說大家可能有其他的比如說希望這個所以外界都在看因為我剛剛有聽到一個我比較訝異的地方是講是說你回答其中委員是講說還不確定時間所以我只是想要確認這個會期我們能不能有實質的討論"},{"start":144.864,"end":169.631,"text":"因為我是金管會我沒辦法幫行政院回答他但是你是主管機關所以你應該是已經了解我不是在套你話我只是說了解你如果說該溝通要溝通要積極push嘛現在全部都已經溝通完畢沒有問題純粹行政程序而已了所以行政程序那這樣子本期就認為是說你應該是可以最快的速度禮拜四說不定行政院會就可以來排案了嗎我們希望說能夠盡快的排"},{"start":170.351,"end":193.478,"text":"為什麼我們會認為說這個東西那麼重要其實最主要在於是過去到現在我們都還是看到我們譬如說虛擬資產貨幣有廣告行銷的一個部分跨境業者的一個納管穩定貨幣的發行或者是退場機制等等問題都還是需要用專法來去做一個釐清所以不要讓這個市場長期在灰色地帶裡面操作嘛我就講啊"},{"start":194.278,"end":212.492,"text":"我其實很納悶就是說我們看那個新聞啊有什麼藝人 什麼大戶一次被賠掉了幾億幾億元我們心裡想就是說這個東西現在在台灣是怎樣人人都可以買得到了是不是當然現在來講 如果說你只問你自己有沒有投資啊我沒有投資是"},{"start":214.686,"end":230.364,"text":"我現在沒有投資所以我說那現在是人人都會買因為其實你看到新聞或是相關畫面其實很多人大家都在討論這個虛擬貨幣因為以前我在學校的時候我有指導學生去研究過這個東西我知道怎麼購買當然知道怎麼運作"},{"start":232.925,"end":251.895,"text":"所以現在確實如果你要買的話我們是可以買 我們有交易所我們現在有合規的交易所在所以你可以透過這個方式去購買是 所以我還是再釐清一下就是說在這一個專法的一個部分因為我看到是說有我們幾位委員版本那我們真的期待是說院版能夠進出或出來"},{"start":252.295,"end":272.671,"text":"其實我也期待其實大家的方向都很一致啦只是針對一些技術上的問題因為我們在提出這個草案的時候已經跟我們各個相關團體已經開過20場以上的公聽會其實大家共識度其實蠻高我也期待說假設未來我們院版出來以後還有各個委員一些版本讓他修得更好其實我們今天審查兩個版本其實很多的"},{"start":274.052,"end":294.794,"text":"內容其實都很好只是說立法技術上比如說這其實應該要放在執法規範比較有彈性就不用放在母法大家只是這個差別而已就大家其實都有共識度蠻高希望這個東西趕快能夠落地因為接下來一個重頭戲就是我們的執法趕快把它定好以後我們希望台灣能夠真的進入到完備的法治化這個大概是我們的目的啦"},{"start":295.675,"end":301.289,"text":"是 本席跟我們財政委會委員一起共同來督促也希望說儘管會能夠加快腳步 對對好不好 沒問題感謝 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