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連沒辦法說也不行啦主委 你知道嗎現在是這個 他們的法律變成這樣沒公開法 連你沒辦法說也不行"},{"start":294.443,"end":319.425,"text":"因為司法就是不透明充滿黑箱所以我們的國人在大陸如果被他因為法律限制人身自由往往得不到好的司法的救濟跟保障對當事人的家屬也是煎熬所以我們最主要呼籲國人如果沒有把握的話不要輕易到中國大陸進行不必要的行程"},{"start":320.706,"end":340.168,"text":"我們也要跟你說,在這個規定當中,我們的好主批是怎樣不愛好啊,給我們做好主批,不管是都要讓我們起伏尤其最近,還有過一個民族團結,有很多外來民,這是逼近情"},{"start":341.189,"end":345.075,"text":"很嚴重的,在這個過程當中,他可以告訴我們,北省不知道要怎麼處理,在這個過程,你自己去選擇,你自己去說,這個未來要怎麼做才是好的"},{"start":359.454,"end":374.922,"text":"這個法在他們兩會提出來的時候,問題是中時最近也有召開研討會,聽取專家的意見,我們也把各種的提醒因為我覺得在這裡做生意也好,在這裡吃頭肉也好,在這裡吃菜也好,我們都要去考慮到"},{"start":380.385,"end":383.028,"text":"他們在那裡的生活,那態度你說的,會風險啦所以說主委,在這個過程當中,你也看到最近台灣人好,外國人好"},{"start":395.382,"end":415.271,"text":"跟花姐台灣加油就不行了咧主委 你會覺得台灣人要跟中華民國 跟台灣做朋友在那個比賽花姐台灣加油 還是自己跟自己的國家加油啊不行咧"},{"start":416.4,"end":424.142,"text":"是 尤其我們現在在大陸很多台商 他們的政策風險越來越高以前他們有很多問題 現在又要擔心他們政治的風險沒有啦 主委 這個過程你說的風險啦 也有很多人去高興不知道啦所以我們要所有的單位可以合作的時候 最近發生的事情"},{"start":444.306,"end":458.949,"text":"有時候不公開的喔 有時候很嚴重的喔包括你剛才說那件事的時候 他們的人完全沒有辦法聯絡到他啦到現在啦 跟他啊 人家都聞到說 跟你還不可以報案啦這這樣有好處嗎?沒有好處?"},{"start":458.949,"end":461.05,"text":"社會在你們這個地方 不關他們什麼啦"},{"start":468.251,"end":488.61,"text":"我們就是一定要保護中華民國台灣人這是最重要的我們會跟其他的政府部門一起合作來確保國人的安全在這個過程當中,他們一屆一屆設的法律是要打壓中華民國的法律改變"},{"start":490.191,"end":497.436,"text":"所以在這個過程中央有說現在高雷什麼人去交代做生意 不能去那因為有的已經到處擠在那 沒在那做也沒辦法所以你要怎麼去補貨 那是最重要的是我們的發表 我們的努力 感謝委員"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}