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美戰爭來看那對付無人機就是要用低成本的方式那國防部今天在報告也一直強調說會購買各類型無人機的反制系統以防禦小型無人機飽和攻擊威脅可是你沒有說要用怎樣的規格的系統只是用很籠統的文字就要求說立法院要通過這個特別預算"},{"start":180.293,"end":198.751,"text":"我的認知裡面它防禦的方式有分硬體跟軟體那你有低中高空的這個方式那這些東西其實都沒有講到各位部長對於我裹這無人機的防禦系統國防部的初步規劃是什麼那面對大型中型小型的自殺無人機我們的規劃的預警跟防禦系統又是什麼"},{"start":200.33,"end":227.31,"text":"委員這個問題是蠻好的就是說我們要反制無人機我們要結合硬砂跟軟砂嘛那所以我們現在因為是屬於條例的部分那麼整個具體的這個建案的部分我們會在預算的時候會提出來有一些是我們現在已經可以做一些說明那有一些還不能夠做對外作為公開說明那我們這個部分包括不管是這個"},{"start":228.832,"end":232.8,"text":"低成本的或者是我們用對外的一個"},{"start":234.731,"end":255.401,"text":"採購的方式 不管是低成本我們研發的部分 或者是對外採購的部分我們現在都是屬於我們要努力建構的一個方向感謝寶定 時間關我先問完了 再回答第二個問題就是武器 我們需要人力來操作尤其購買20萬台無人機 需要操作跟養護的人員就非常的大我們國軍現在無人機的訓練機構有分為陸海空還有海軍陸戰隊的訓練中心"},{"start":260.583,"end":282.98,"text":"目前我們的操作人員是否足夠應對這20萬台無人機的操作如果不足我們國防部預計規劃什麼時候要補足人力另外平時大家各自訓練都沒問題但是如果暫時要支援的時候我們要怎麼樣協同作戰那國防部現在是不是已經規劃讓各種軍種的無人機操作員進行協同作戰那我接下來再繼續問第三個就是說"},{"start":284.12,"end":312.929,"text":"我國的這些重要的武器很多都是向美國來採購那過去也發生過因為疫情的關係整個供應鏈中斷還有產能吃緊被迫延遲交貨那像我們2019年的這個採購的66架F16V的這個戰機一直到今年的3月16號才完成第一架的飛行測驗的這個驗證那嚴重影響我們我國的這個軍力的整備3月22號也有媒體說今年會啟動反國那本席就要問說那今年"},{"start":313.709,"end":336.939,"text":"什麼時候我們F-16會飛回來台灣那其他沒有交付的武器系統美國什麼時候會交付那接著我會再繼續提到了F-16我就要提到我這個重要的軍事設施絕對是敵方首要攻擊的對象那保存戰力就變得非常的重要那像F-16未來會到我們的治安基地"},{"start":337.719,"end":352.506,"text":"那我們也看到說了解國防部現在規劃在治安基地要興建24座新型的這個抗炸的機堡請問目前完成有多少那其他的軍用機場是不是有比照要來興建這樣的防禦的這個機堡那我們"},{"start":353.726,"end":374.689,"text":"第五個問題就是之前我們有媒體有報導說是針對外島前線反制無人機的需求政府投入將近10億元的這個採購26套的這個系統由民間的某一個廠商得標但傳出產品未通過驗收軍方要求改善缺點後再行驗收那這個部分改善是不是已經完成這五個部分"},{"start":376.187,"end":401.421,"text":"請部長簡單的回答就好簡單就好委員問的問題相當多我是不是先請卓技師先就聯合作戰委員好我是卓技師長首先感謝委員剛剛所提的這幾個問題正好是我們上禮拜也有做過整體的台灣之盾的提報那同委員所說的我們分作高中低的三層的分層防禦有效的攔截另外也針對"},{"start":402.762,"end":415.316,"text":"敵人的威脅就是他用各種形式對我們台灣本島的防衛來進行攻擊的時候當然對於高精密的這些遠程的火力我們會用精準的這個防衛的系統來進行防衛"},{"start":417.478,"end":436.87,"text":"對他低價低成本利用無人機等等來對我們進行我們會在各作戰階段當中規劃各種主動被動軟殺硬殺的防護系統來去使我們的部隊還有我們的關鍵基礎設施具有暫時的韌性那就這個作戰應用部分向委員做報告"},{"start":437.27,"end":455.448,"text":"好 謝謝因為時間的關係我再問這個就是那這個我剛才提到第四點就是這個基堡的部分這個部分是今年要開始規劃在智商暨地堡的因為智商暨在我們台東所以我想要了解這個部分報告委員因為在東部的部分花蓮台東我們一直都有您也知道我們一直都有這個"},{"start":457.31,"end":484.002,"text":"比較大型的這個地下的算是地下化的這個設施那在各基地也包含台東我們也都有規劃您剛剛提到這個抗2000磅炸彈的這個機庫那24座目前正在進行那另外在其他基地也有相同的工程目前正在進行中我印象中這個機堡都已經很久了我們花那麼多錢買這麼先進的武器結果最後不是被飛彈打掉是被自己的機堡砸壞掉"},{"start":485.662,"end":500.772,"text":"這個是抗2000磅的炸彈抗2000磅炸彈的擊鼓那部裡面是不是有安排時間也能夠去台東來看一下了解哪些設施需要改善有其他基地正在進行類似的建案那如果有需要的話我們可以一併安排"},{"start":501.272,"end":505.175,"text":"提醒國防部採購武器一定要符合台灣的作戰需求,特別是作戰形態改變。以我國現在的經濟情況來看,我們一定要建構一套適合我們國防發展的系統。"},{"start":522.125,"end":537.534,"text":"那這個也就是國民黨為什麼強調就是每一項武器的採購必須依照台海作戰的需求來做採購那更要準時的交付啦那完成我們整個建案的程序這就是為了避免我買到不合適的武器那因為這不單單是"},{"start":540.519,"end":557.448,"text":"錢花了還影響到國家的安全那以上這就是本席這次的質詢那也請部長把本席今天提到的問題那在一個一周內那由書面報告來跟本席這邊來回報我們再請我們在會後再請到委員辦公室特別做個說明好不好感謝 感謝 謝謝謝謝主席"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:44:19.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:44:20.909000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我們有請顧部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-23T12:44:20.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:44:21.009000+08:00","text":"請顧部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-23T12:44:21.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:44:22.090000+08:00","text":"黃委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:44:30.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:44:30.322000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:44:30.942000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:44:47.508000+08:00","text":"部長，在討論軍購條例之前，本席有一個議題想要跟部長反映，剛好早上王定宇委員也提到，就是關於八軍團117旅有大量高達八千多顆彈殼不見的情況。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:44:47.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:44:53.570000+08:00","text":"本席記得以前我在當兵的時候，我們光是打靶，少一顆彈殼全連就要留下來在草叢中地毯式的找彈殼。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:44:57.631000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:45:14.315000+08:00","text":"8,000顆不是一個小數目，我想這應該是內部管理的問題，不過我們確實也要去檢討，這樣的制度經過二十幾年了，是不是有檢討的必要，對於這些，我想部裡面這邊也要來想一下，怎麼樣不讓部隊增加這些工作量，同時也解決一些弊端。","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:45:16.056000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:46:26.985000+08:00","text":"接下來，部長，你擔任國防部長以來，整個國際的情勢變化非常大，甚至整個戰爭的型態也改變很多，過去我們購買的反飛彈系統，像愛國者、天弓，這些飛彈的防禦系統也花費巨資，我們也興建了樂山雷達站用來防衛中國的導彈，這些武器確實有效防衛中國的地對地導彈跟戰機，但是從俄烏戰爭還有近期的美以伊戰爭，我們發現到這些昂貴的系統沒有辦法有效防衛無人機，以這一次的美以伊戰爭為例，這跟我們的樂山雷達相同，卡達長程預警雷達就遭到伊朗用大量的攻擊無人機再配合導彈飛彈來進行飽和式攻擊，甚至號稱全球最先進的薩德飛彈防禦系統也因為沒有辦法防禦無人機的攻擊而受損，美軍為了要避免高單價的武器被廉價的無人機消耗，如今他們也在戰場上大量使用低成本的無人機，來降低自己武器的消耗成本。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:46:28.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:46:53.100000+08:00","text":"顯然現在的戰爭型態已經從高昂的武器轉變成低成本的消耗戰，過去我國建構的飛彈防禦系統確實保衛了中華民國，但是當整個國際的戰爭型態改變，尤其我們要面對的是全世界無人機應用最大的中國，我們規劃採購的武器能不能夠防衛國家的安全就非常地重要。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:46:53.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:47:25.761000+08:00","text":"因此本席有幾個問題想要來跟部長請教，第一個，從俄烏戰爭、美伊戰爭來看，對付無人機就是要用低成本的方式，國防部今天在報告也一直強調會購買各類型無人機的反制系統，以防禦小型無人機飽和攻擊威脅，可是你沒有說要用怎麼樣規格的系統，只是用很籠統的文字就要求立法院要通過這筆特別預算，以我的認知，防禦的方式有分硬體跟軟體，有低、中、高空的方式，這些東西其實都沒有講到。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:47:26.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:47:30.886000+08:00","text":"部長，對於我國無人機的防禦系統，國防部的初步規劃是什麼？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:47:30.986000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:47:36.751000+08:00","text":"面對大型、中型、小型的自殺無人機，我們規劃的預警跟防禦系統又是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-23T12:47:38.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:47:55.023000+08:00","text":"委員這個問題是蠻好的，就是我們要反制無人機，要結合硬殺跟軟殺，因為現在是屬於條例的部分，整個具體的建案部分，我們會在預算的時候提出來。","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:47:55.023000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-23T12:47:56.023000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-23T12:47:55.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:48:01.407000+08:00","text":"有一些是我們現在已經可以做一些說明，但有一些還不能夠對外做公開說明……好。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-23T12:48:03.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:48:20.695000+08:00","text":"這個部分包括低成本的，或是我們用對外的採購方式，就是說不管是我們所研發低成本的部分，或者是對外採購的部分，都是屬於我們要努力建構的方向。","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:48:20.855000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:48:23.196000+08:00","text":"好，感謝部長，時間關係，我先問完，再來回答。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:48:24.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:48:46.009000+08:00","text":"第二個問題，我們需要人力來操作武器，尤其購買20萬臺無人機，需要操作跟養護的人員就非常地多，我們國軍現在無人機的訓練機構有分為陸、海、空還有海軍陸戰隊的訓練中心，目前我們的操作人員是否足夠應對這20萬臺無人機的操作，如果不足，我們國防部預計規劃什麼時候要補足人力？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:48:46.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:48:53.894000+08:00","text":"另外，平時大家各自訓練都沒問題，但是如果戰時要支援的時候，我們要怎麼樣協同作戰？","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:48:54.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:48:59.118000+08:00","text":"國防部現在是不是已經規劃讓各種軍種的無人機操作員進行協同作戰？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:48:59.278000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:49:34.990000+08:00","text":"我接下來再繼續問，第三個，我國的這些重要武器很多都是向美國採購，過去也發生過因為疫情的關係，整個供應鏈中斷，還有產能吃緊、被迫延遲交貨，像我們2019年採購的66架F-16V戰機，一直到今年的3月16號才完成第一架的飛行測驗的驗證，嚴重影響我國的軍力整備；3月22號也有媒體說今年會啟動飛交返國作業，本席就要問，今年什麼時候F-16會飛回來臺灣？","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:49:35.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:49:38.192000+08:00","text":"其他沒有交付的武器系統，美國什麼時候會交付？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:49:39.092000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:50:03.602000+08:00","text":"接著我再繼續，提到了F-16，我就要提到我國這個重要的軍事設施絕對是敵方首要攻擊的對象，保存戰力就變得非常重要，像F-16未來會到我們的志航基地，我們也了解國防部現在規劃要在志航基地興建24座新型的抗炸機堡，請問目前完成多少？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:50:04.223000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:50:09.125000+08:00","text":"其他的軍用機場是不是有要比照興建這樣的防禦機堡？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:50:11.726000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:50:29.505000+08:00","text":"第五個問題就是之前有媒體報導，針對外島前線反制無人機的需求，政府投入將近10億元採購26套系統並由民間某一個廠商得標，但傳出產品未通過驗收，軍方要求改善缺點後再行驗收。","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:50:30.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:50:31.768000+08:00","text":"這個部分的改善是不是已經完成？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:50:32.268000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:50:36.208000+08:00","text":"這五個部分請部長這邊簡單的回答，簡單就好！","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-23T12:50:39.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:50:44.553000+08:00","text":"委員問的問題相當多，我先請作計室就聯合作戰部分回答。","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"連次長志威","start":"2026-03-23T12:50:44.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:50:46.494000+08:00","text":"委員好，我是作計室次長。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"連次長志威","start":"2026-03-23T12:50:46.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:50:52.277000+08:00","text":"首先感謝委員剛剛所提的這幾個問題，正好也是我們上禮拜做過的整體臺灣之盾的提報。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"連次長志威","start":"2026-03-23T12:50:52.597000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:51:34.850000+08:00","text":"同委員所說的，我們分作高、中、低的三層分層防禦、有效攔截，另外也針對敵人的威脅，就是當他用各種形式對臺灣本島的防衛進行攻擊的時候，當然，對於高精密的遠程火力，我們會用精準的防衛系統來進行防衛；對於低價、低成本、利用無人機等等，我們會在各作戰階段當中規劃各種主動、被動、軟殺、硬殺的防護系統來使我們的部隊、關鍵基礎設施具有戰時的韌性，以上就作戰應用部分向委員報告。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:51:35.811000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:51:48.623000+08:00","text":"謝謝，因為時間的關係，我再問一下，關於我剛才提到第四點機堡的部分，這個部分今年要開始規劃在志航基地，因為志航基地在我們臺東，所以我想要了解這個部分。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"李參謀長慶然","start":"2026-03-23T12:51:49.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:52:14.458000+08:00","text":"報告委員，在東部的部分，花蓮、臺東我們一直都有……您也知道我們一直都有比較大型的地下化設施，在各基地（包含臺東）我們也都有規劃您剛剛提到這個抗2,000磅炸彈的機庫，24座目前正在進行；另外，目前在其他基地也有相同的工程正在進行中。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:52:15.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:52:21.981000+08:00","text":"我印象中這個機堡都已經很久了，我們花那麼多錢買這麼先進的武器，結果最後不是被飛彈打到，是被自己的碉堡砸壞掉，那就……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"李參謀長慶然","start":"2026-03-23T12:52:23.662000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:52:26.224000+08:00","text":"這個是抗2,000磅炸彈的機庫，跟以往不同。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:52:27.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:52:31.647000+08:00","text":"那部裡面是不是能夠安排時間來去臺東看一下、了解哪些設施還需要改善，有安排嗎？","quality":0.771},{"speaker":"李參謀長慶然","start":"2026-03-23T12:52:33.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:52:38.752000+08:00","text":"有其他基地正在進行類似的建案，如果有需要的話我們可以一併安排。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:52:38.752000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-23T12:52:39.752000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝次長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:52:39.272000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:52:41.373000+08:00","text":"部長，跟你提了這麼多的議題其實就是提醒國防部採購武器一定要符合現在臺灣的作戰需求，特別是本席一直強調作戰型態的改變！","quality":0.527},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:52:41.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:53:14.753000+08:00","text":"以我國現在的經濟情況來看，我們一定要建構一套適合我們國防發展的系統，這也就是國民黨為什麼強調每一項武器的採購都必須依照臺海作戰的需求來做採購，更要準時的交付、完成整個建案的程序，這就是為了避免買到不合適的武器。","quality":0.99},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:53:15.434000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:53:28.664000+08:00","text":"因為這不單單是錢花了，還影響到國家安全，以上就是本席這次的質詢，也請部長把本席今天提到的問題在1週內以書面報告回報本席。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-23T12:53:30.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:53:34.848000+08:00","text":"我們會後再到委員辦公室特別做個說明，好嗎？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:53:35.108000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:53:35.388000+08:00","text":"感謝部長，感謝，謝謝！謝謝。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-03-23T12:53:35.388000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-23T12:53:35.428000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-23T12:53:35.928000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-23T12:53:37.928000+08:00","text":"謝謝黃建賓委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-23T12:53:38.228000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-23T12:53:41.370857+08:00","text":"接下來請馬文君委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}