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停車場的設置等等其實先期都規劃好了那現在只要有廠商願意進來做我們希望說在明年的四月可以完工七月可以正式來營運"},{"start":435.587,"end":464.72,"text":"所以你們預計的進度是在明年的4月因為要有廠商願意來招標我們其實南部也有在做這樣子休息站的設置不過現在廠商來投標的意願沒有這麼高我們現在有另外一個策略就是說我們是不是也請我們高工局把現在做高速公路服務區的這些廠商引導他們過來公路局這邊做我們西濱的休息站我們目前正在跟他們洽商當中"},{"start":464.96,"end":490.386,"text":"好那這個部分也請交通部這邊可以盡量的來協助讓這個民眾一直很期待的這個休息站鹿港區休息站彰化的休息站第一個設置的能夠盡快的讓民眾感受到說其實彰化除了提供路過的這個功能其實我們可以提供民眾一個在入境這個在入境彰化的時候有一個機會可以來認識彰化認識鹿港那"},{"start":494.102,"end":509.005,"text":"剛才院長跟部長這邊有說其實民眾這些建議我們會納入這些參考那也希望說我們可以盡快來有一個好的消息可以給民眾好 謝謝那我要再關心下一個是民生的問題"},{"start":516.787,"end":531.304,"text":"院長首先本席還是要先肯定在我們台美的關稅談判裡面我們帶回了好的成果那即便說目前美國正在針對我國進行301調查但本席相信政府會守護我們我國產業最大的利益"},{"start":531.924,"end":533.867,"text":"也會做出對我國產業最有利的待遇但目前本行要先來關心未來美國液態牛乳進口這個問題我請教院長未來美國的液態乳進口是勢在必行嗎"},{"start":547.768,"end":564.037,"text":"如果依照雙方談判的內容有涉及到這個形象那基於雙方的互信我們所談判的內容我們必須要執行那現在是因為這還沒有生效但是目前還在一個爭取能夠確保雙方談判內容基礎的這個情況底下"},{"start":564.437,"end":581.446,"text":"好那本席這邊也先肯認了這陣子農業部為了因應我們有將國產鮮乳才能標示為鮮乳的這個政策我們提前會到七月份會提早實行就是來因應萬一這個真的是液態乳油乳是要進口進來的話對我們的國產乳品衝擊會小一點"},{"start":586.374,"end":611.001,"text":"那就必須有鮮乳的標章必須有生產履歷還要達到CS這個認證之後國產的才能叫做鮮乳兩個字那雖然針對這些相關牛乳鮮乳的進口呢農業部給本席的回覆是認為說美國的這個液態乳呢目前應該你們覺得它最大的競爭者是現在已經在進口的這個紐西蘭的冰磚奶"},{"start":611.961,"end":625.694,"text":"而且你們會覺得說這種大份量大容量的這樣的銷售方式是不符合我國這種小家庭這種形式的消費的習慣但是其實本席還是要提醒農業部我們要降低對我們國產鮮乳這些的衝擊"},{"start":629.358,"end":647.417,"text":"我為什麼要提出這個問題因為我們彰化縣的生爐產量是全國第一而且在我的選區福興鄉就有酪農的聚酪目前有很多酪農陸續來跟本席陳情他們所產出的生爐有被拒收或是被減收的這個狀況"},{"start":648.618,"end":674.603,"text":"而且這個不只是私人企業有些縣市的農會系統也已經開始減收乳量我想請教院長跟部長你們對這個狀況有掌握嗎跟委員說明就是您所說的就是有部分的弱農跟原來的氣味的這些牛奶廠有被減收的部分我們了解的部分是有兩家有一家是因為品質的關係沒有達到標準所以被減收"},{"start":675.143,"end":690.229,"text":"那另外一家是因為他地區比較偏遠那全國農會他不願意去收那至於說全國農會不願意去收的部分我們現在也啟動一些相關的協助那這個部分我想我們一直關注著爐廠跟酪農之間的基礎乳價"},{"start":693.05,"end":721.627,"text":"那這個基礎乳價我們也重新去啟動它的成本的計算因為有些弱農認為這個基礎乳價的計算的公平性不足所以我們在今年度其實已經很快的去啟動這樣的一個基礎乳價的重新的計算那我們希望說我們的鮮乳是我們的乳廠最主要的來源然後不足的地方特別在做調味的或做加工的部分才用進口的這些乳那這個部分我想我們也跟乳廠也跟弱農一起來努力"},{"start":722.307,"end":744.774,"text":"那第二點就是我也跟委員說明台牛本身的零關稅我們一直很怕它的衝擊去年一整年總共只增加了大概900多噸的這些液態爐但是如果說把您剛才說的那個冰磚爐的部分是減到6%那紐西蘭有增加的澳洲的就減少了"},{"start":745.234,"end":766.382,"text":"所以後續的這些冰磚爐本身其實我們很擔心但是它的因為競爭跟紐西蘭跟澳洲的競爭本身美國不一定是佔優勢因為美國是以鮮爐為主然後它的通路都是以Costco跟福樂系統為主其實現在農業部所做的這些評估都是針對可能是怎樣那它真正進來之後最造成的衝擊其實我們還"},{"start":768.443,"end":785.296,"text":"還沒有遇到,所以還不曉得,只是說我們先要預防這一塊我們先...了解了解,我們會來努力這個部分呢,我還是要跟你們講喔地方其實在盛傳啦,未來減少收入會是一個趨勢這其實造成糯農非常的緊張喔我在這邊其實我要求農業部,第一個"},{"start":786.317,"end":808.076,"text":"我們農業部應該了解生乳遭拒收或減收這個狀況並且予以協助來穩定落農的信心第二個部分我希望農業部應該要研議來設立推廣國產鮮乳以及乳製品研發的專責單位第三個部分我們要建立國產鮮乳品質的消費者的信心我們將價格帶來的衝擊降到最低其實一個農場的牛隻動輒三五百頭"},{"start":813.18,"end":839.95,"text":"那如果說他被減收或是契約到了他沒有續約他拒收之後牛隻何去何從這個部分農業部其實希望你們有具體的方案來協助農場再來講到乳製品的部分乳製品的研發製造技術希望農業部這邊你們可以提供資源來協助像我們國人都很愛食用的起司啊乳酪相關的製作還有像像義美公司他有出一種無乳糖牛乳"},{"start":840.39,"end":869.302,"text":"就是已经把乳糖先处理掉了这个对于我们很多国人有乳糖不耐症他希望摄取到钙质跟蛋白质的补充这是一个非常好的选择那如果有这样的技术我们来推广我们更让更多人可以很方便的食用鲜乳我们国产鲜乳我想这个对于整个鲜乳的流通销售也是一个很好的方法来推广再加上我们其实我们都鼓励民众要使用在地食材是"},{"start":870.403,"end":884.316,"text":"國產鮮乳就是在地食材其實我們國產鮮乳這種甘甜純淨是進口乳無法比擬的那我們如何堅持消費者這個使用的習慣對國產鮮乳的信心我希望我們農業部這邊有比較具體的因應"},{"start":885.642,"end":912.199,"text":"我簡單的回應委員第一個部分相關的這些酪農跟爐廠之間的一個關係性我們一定會去以酪農的立場去跟爐廠來談有一些錯假訊息就是說開始謠言說爐廠不收事實上我們也曾經聽過這個消息但是我們詢問以後事實上爐廠並沒有這樣子的一個訊息但是我們一定會去加強萬一有這種謠言的部分我們第一時間破除"},{"start":912.699,"end":941.234,"text":"第二個部分就是您剛才講的加工的乳製品的部分那我們也提供了很多的經費給學校或是特別是石科所做相關的研發的部分第三個部分你講的最重要就是行銷的部分那行銷的部分怎麼樣透過在地的產製品具有比較低碳的生產我們已經規劃了把台灣的鮮乳結合我們的碳足跡標籤那碳足跡標籤就可以當作一個"},{"start":967.794,"end":967.815,"text":"好謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-03-24T15:02:02.529000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:02:25.703000+08:00","text":"謝謝院長，請卓院長。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-24T15:02:25.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:02:27.364000+08:00","text":"麻煩再請卓院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-24T15:02:38.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:02:40.024000+08:00","text":"陳委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-03-24T15:02:40.024000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-24T15:02:41.024000+08:00","text":"院長好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-03-24T15:02:40.924000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:03:12.316000+08:00","text":"在質詢之前，因為剛才新聞有發布一個蠻遺憾的消息，就是我們經貿辦公室的副總談判代表顏慧欣女士日前因病逝世，這次在整個對美的經貿談判裡面，我們副院長鄭麗君所領銜的這些相關團隊，包括政委楊珍妮還有這位顏女士，其實對我們整個的談判都付出了相當多的心力，而且不負所託，帶回好成果。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-03-24T15:03:13.136000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:03:46.264000+08:00","text":"在這邊我要提醒各公務單位，其實大家對自己的工作都非常認真、非常的敬業，但同時都要保重身體，因為這樣子的消息會讓國人覺得相當的遺憾，畢竟他們在整個經貿談判的過程裡面，為了國人、為了我們臺灣、為我們國家的權益是真的拼盡全力，所有同仁們在付出心力工作之餘，對自己的身體健康也都要重視。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-24T15:03:46.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:03:53.570000+08:00","text":"謝謝陳委員的關心，我們彼此保重，我也希望大院、韓院長、所有同仁，都能夠保持愉快、健康的身心。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-24T15:03:54.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:04:20.993000+08:00","text":"對於顏慧欣副總談判代表覺得非常的遺憾，日前得知她有辭意、有提出辭呈，後來我們進一步了解，真的是因為長期可能是工作上的壓力以及身體上的不適，所以她必須離開這個工作，更訝異的是，離開不久之後，我們就驟然聽到這個噩耗，也對她的家族表達非常高的敬意跟致意。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-24T15:04:21.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:04:30.540000+08:00","text":"我們再次希望所有同仁在公務的時候，雖然工作量非常大、壓力很大，也要保持健康而且多多休息的身心狀態。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-03-24T15:04:31.581000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:04:32.702000+08:00","text":"謝謝院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-03-24T15:04:32.702000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:05:04.899000+08:00","text":"我們先來關注關於美港公路高架化的這個議題，院長您也知道美港公路高架化是本席爭取的重大建設，而且在2020年5月在總質詢期間向當時的交通部長林佳龍部長提出，爭取啟動美港公路高架化的可行性研究，一直到今天2026年3月24號，我是第8次在總質詢提出關心整個美港公路高架化的進度。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-03-24T15:05:06.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:05:19.746000+08:00","text":"在去（2025）年9月23號的綜合規劃期末報告地方說明會暨生態檢核說明會，我們鄉親都非常踴躍的參加、支持，而且希望可以加速進行。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-03-24T15:05:20.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:05:37.713000+08:00","text":"在2025年10月7號公路局回復說，綜合規劃期中報告在2025年6月26號已經審核同意，現在是進入期末報告的階段，預計在1月會開期末報告審查會議。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-03-24T15:05:39.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:05:54.578000+08:00","text":"2024年行政院已經有核定期末報告的總金額，經費來到167.84億，按照原訂期程，現在應該已經進入環評階段，我請教院長，現在的進度如何？","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-24T15:05:55.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:06:03.125000+08:00","text":"在今年1月第一階段的環評說明書已經完成，現在正報環境部在審議當中。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-24T15:06:04.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:06:28.479000+08:00","text":"這6.3公里左右的預算，剛剛委員說的是167.84億，目前在一階環評的過程當中，我們希望接下來環境部、交通部跟地方能夠快速配合，讓您多年來為地方爭取的交通建設能夠早日落實，依照目前的狀況，如果順利的話，可能很快就會進入到二階環評。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-03-24T15:06:29.739000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:06:55.848000+08:00","text":"因為美港公路近期傳出今年第一件的石虎路殺事件，引起民眾非常大的關心，統計更顯示說，從2021年開始，美港公路所在的和美鎮周遭已經累計發生9起的石虎路殺事件，顯見我們要落實石虎的保育，改善美港公路的車流是非常重要，而且是刻不容緩。","quality":0.901},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-03-24T15:06:57.129000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:07:13.601000+08:00","text":"美港公路高架化可以協助分散車流，也減少美港公路的平面車流量，所以本席要建議，未來在美港公路上可以評估設置動物安全通道，這個可以納入我們的評估裡面嗎？","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-24T15:07:13.601000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-24T15:07:14.601000+08:00","text":"我請部長說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-03-24T15:07:13.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:07:16.744000+08:00","text":"報告委員，環評委員會針對這個做出評估，也會建議開發單位做出該有的處置，所以我們會把這個訊息給環評委員參考，也會給開發單位參考。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-03-24T15:07:28.756000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:07:46.443000+08:00","text":"因為降低石虎被撞的風險，同時也提高民眾的用路安全，所以這邊懇請院長一定要支持，加速美港公路高架化的相關進度是鄉親翹首以盼，希望可以很快有更進一步的好消息。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-03-24T15:07:47.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:08:23.964000+08:00","text":"接下來，我們一樣要來關心的是彰化的交通問題，這是本席一直非常努力爭取的，就是台61線鹿港休息站，而且這個設置也讓民眾十分期待，因為從前不管是高速公路、快速道路，經過彰化縣都沒有任何一個休息區、休息站，可以提供用路民眾休憩的功能。","quality":0.755},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-03-24T15:08:24.944000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:08:36.372000+08:00","text":"這也是彰化縣第一個快速道路的休息站，因此民眾對這個休息站有很多的建議，例如休息站落成之後，對地方的交通有沒有造成衝擊？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-03-24T15:08:36.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:08:39.515000+08:00","text":"或是休息站的停車位是不是充裕？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-03-24T15:08:40.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:08:44.038000+08:00","text":"還有休息站會不會建置電動車的快速充電樁？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-03-24T15:08:44.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:08:52.105000+08:00","text":"也有很多民眾提到，台61線鹿港段的路面是不是有維護的問題？","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-03-24T15:08:52.665000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:08:56.288000+08:00","text":"我想請教一下，休息站目前是不是還在細部設計階段？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-24T15:08:58.193000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:09:01.195000+08:00","text":"對，細部設計，而且進行招標作業，我請部長說明。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-24T15:09:01.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:09:16.224000+08:00","text":"我們目前正在進行招標的作業，委員剛剛提到廁所的設置、充電樁的設置、停車場的設置等等，其實先期都規劃好了，現在只要有廠商願意進來做，我們希望在明年4月可以完工，7月可以正式營運。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-03-24T15:09:17.587000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:09:21.769000+08:00","text":"所以你們預計的進度是在明年4月？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-03-24T15:09:21.769000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-24T15:09:22.769000+08:00","text":"因為原本可能在……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-24T15:09:22.029000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:09:32.514000+08:00","text":"期待是這樣，因為要有廠商願意來招標，我們其實南部也有在做這樣子休息站的設置，不過現在廠商來投標的意願沒有這麼高。","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-24T15:09:33.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:09:46.700000+08:00","text":"我們現在有另外一個策略，就是我們是不是也請高公局引導現在做高速公路服務區的這些廠商過來公路局這邊，就是做西濱的休息站，我們目前正在跟他們洽商當中。","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-03-24T15:09:46.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:10:12.165000+08:00","text":"好，這個部分也請交通部可以儘量協助，讓民眾一直很期待的鹿港區休息站，第一個設置的彰化休息站，能夠儘快的讓民眾感受到彰化除了提供路過的功能外，其實我們可以提供民眾路經彰化的時候，有個機會可以來認識彰化、認識鹿港。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-03-24T15:10:16.102000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:10:28.901000+08:00","text":"剛才院長跟部長說民眾這些建議會納入參考，也希望可以儘快有好的消息給民眾，好，謝謝。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-03-24T15:10:29.062000+08:0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可以提供資源協助。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-03-24T15:15:54.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:16:04.411000+08:00","text":"像國人都很愛食用的起司、乳酪相關的製作，還有像義美公司有出產一種無乳糖牛乳，就是已經把乳糖先處理掉了。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-03-24T15:16:05.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:16:25.760000+08:00","text":"很多有乳糖不耐症的國人仍希望攝取到鈣質跟蛋白質的補充，這是一個非常好的選擇，如果有這樣的技術，我們來推廣，讓更多人可以很方便的食用國產鮮乳，我想這個對於整個鮮乳的流通、銷售也是一個很好的推廣方法。","quality":0.637},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-03-24T15:16:27+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:16:46.316000+08:00","text":"再加上，其實我們都鼓勵民眾要使用在地食材，國產鮮乳就是在地食材，其實我們國產鮮乳這種甘甜純淨是進口乳無法比擬的，我們如何建立消費者使用的習慣、對國產鮮乳的信心，我希望農業部有比較具體的因應。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-24T15:16:47.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:16:58.969000+08:00","text":"我簡單的回應委員，第一個部分，這些相關的酪農跟乳廠之間的關係性，我們一定會以酪農的立場去跟乳廠談。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-24T15:16:58.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:17:14.179000+08:00","text":"有一些錯假訊息，就是開始謠言說乳廠不收，我們也曾經聽過這個消息，但是我們詢問以後，事實上乳廠並沒有這樣的訊息，所以我們一定會去加強，萬一有這種謠言的部分，我們會在第一時間破除。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-24T15:17:14.699000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:17:24.284000+08:00","text":"第二個部分，您剛剛講加工乳製品的部分，我們也提供了很多的經費給學校，特別是食科所做相關研發的部分。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-24T15:17:24.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-24T15:18:09.794000+08:00","text":"第三個部分，你講的最重要的就是行銷的部分，怎麼樣透過在地的產製品，具有比較低碳的生產，我們已經規劃把臺灣的鮮乳結合我們的碳足跡標籤，碳足跡標籤就可以當作一個比較好去推動的方式，我們會一起來努力。","quality":0.811},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-03-24T15:18:10.294000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-24T15:18:20.294000+08:00","text":"農業部未來對這些酪農跟農場等相關比較具體的措施，你可以把資料彙整給我，好嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-24T15:18:20.594000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-24T15:18:24.022571+08:00","text":"好，我們把資料再提供給委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-24T15:18:24.322571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-24T15:18:36.894000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，剛剛幾項建議都非常重要，我會請農業部強力地要求乳商能夠跟政府一起來協助酪農產業，謝謝。","quality":0.045},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-03-24T15:18:37.194000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-24T15:18:39.479714+08:00","text":"謝謝院長、謝謝部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-24T15:18:39.779714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-24T15:18:46.351143+08:00","text":"謝謝陳秀寳委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長、農業部長備詢，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-24T15:18:46.651143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-24T15:19:14.365429+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們在議場二樓旁聽的是來自美國青年領袖訪問團，好幾位州的眾議員，還有市長、議員，我們掌聲熱情歡迎，welcome；另外一批來自臺北商業大學的各位同學，歡迎大家，我們掌聲歡迎，welcome，thank you。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-24T15:19:14.665429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-24T15:19:20.665429+08:00","text":"接下來我們請黃建賓委員質詢，張雅琳委員請準備。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}