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發電可以發多久喔 發電可以發多久 對 這個要檢查就知道 那你的安全檢查需要多久的時間你現在有沒有評估出來 還是台電台電的部分沒有 能不能說明一下你們現在的安全評估的這整個時程你預計大概要花多久的時間 跟委員報告喔 就台電交"},{"start":386.064,"end":386.564,"text":"那這兩年之內"},{"start":413.57,"end":437.092,"text":"如何跟社會大眾做對話 包括你的核廢料的最終處置包括你的核安 核能安全 包括你的如何要取得社會的共識這個部分要如何來跟社會做對話跟委員報告 就是我們現在當然一個比較大的難題或是全世界都還在試著解決的是用過燃料棒"},{"start":438.089,"end":457.998,"text":"高階的最終處置現在其實除了芬蘭以外其實還不見得有很明確的有些國家瑞典、芬蘭、北歐國家其他國家都還在找那台灣也會繼續來找最重要我們是能夠選址那低放的部分我們有一些目標的地點其實我們有在進行當地社區的溝通工作"},{"start":458.658,"end":471.587,"text":"那安全的部分其實我們的報告交給核安會核安會依據過去的慣例他會有一定程度的揭露就他審查一段階段他會揭露那這個都是公開透明資訊的一部分"},{"start":472.432,"end":498.863,"text":"好我想這個我的時間也到了我就不耽誤了最後一個小提醒部長我覺得在能源安全的議題上面台灣一定要有具備自主供應自己能源的這樣一個能力那包括我們對於天然氣的仰賴或者是說其他多元能源替代的這些方案的這些規劃我想這個部分經濟部應該要及早去做因應去做調整第二"},{"start":499.443,"end":525.129,"text":"台灣自己應該也要有足夠的能力去做不管是油田天然氣的這些碳採我知道過去中油有在做那我不知道最近這一段時間到底中油在這一部分是不是有受到政府的重視或者是有受到中油自己母公司的重視在這個油氣油田地熱的碳採的部分董事長您不用上來因為我時間已經到了我只是要提醒一件事情"},{"start":526.009,"end":535.736,"text":"對於我們自主能源的這個安全設定上面我想這個經濟部責無旁貸而且是應該要積極加速的去進行規劃好不好是 謝謝好 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-25T09:28:38.176000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:28:43.724000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請一下部長，是不是也請台電曾董事長？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T09:28:52.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:28:52.536000+08:00","text":"邱委員早安。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-25T09:28:52.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:28:52.837000+08:00","text":"部長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-25T09:28:54.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:28:58.361000+08:00","text":"部長，我想我們還是直接切入主題，今天時間很短。","quality":0.65},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-25T09:29:00.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:29:26.556000+08:00","text":"中東的戰爭其實對於很多國家……全世界面臨了能源的風險跟整個結構的調整，臺灣其實是高度仰賴進口能源，而且這個進口能源要經過荷姆茲海峽，所以大家現在蠻擔心的，到底我們的能源儲存量能，或者是說能源購置的量能到底夠不夠？","quality":0.663},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-25T09:29:26.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:29:34.014000+08:00","text":"部長跟您討論一下，我們現在天然氣的占比，大概是占臺灣整體發電量50%左右……","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T09:29:34.594000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:29:35.555000+08:00","text":"接近50%。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-25T09:29:35.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:29:37.356000+08:00","text":"接近50%。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-25T09:29:37.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:29:51.244000+08:00","text":"現在臺灣整體的經濟產業，包括AI產業的用電其實是大幅地增加，所以依賴單一能源的風險就會不斷地被放大。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-25T09:29:52.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:30:14.039000+08:00","text":"部長，我想請教一下，您剛剛的報告裡頭也有特別提到，就是我們這一些天然氣，或者是能源的儲存，包括賴總統特別強調，核能跟綠能可以並行不悖，所以我們的能源政策是要轉向多元組合跟韌性治理，是不是這樣？是的。","quality":0.989},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-25T09:30:14.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:30:20.624000+08:00","text":"國人比較關心的一件事情，就是我們現在的能源儲備是到什麼樣的階段？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-25T09:30:21.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:30:29.327000+08:00","text":"我不會問你有多少天，但是我想要知道的是，我們是不是達到安全足夠的存量？","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-25T09:30:30.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:30:39.591000+08:00","text":"第二個，您剛剛有特別提到現在的貨源調度上面，是不是能夠確保臺灣的能源供應是安全無虞？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-25T09:30:40.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:30:41.092000+08:00","text":"這一點請部長先回答。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T09:30:42.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:30:43.047000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T09:30:43.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:31:01.634000+08:00","text":"分成兩個部分，一個部分就是中長期的能源規劃，就像委員提到的，任何只要是安全的能源，我們都會去嘗試，包括再生能源也好，或者是天然氣發電也好，甚至於燃煤的部分轉成備用也好，這個部分都會持續來推動。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T09:31:02.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:31:27.723000+08:00","text":"短期間來講，您剛才提到因為中東戰事的原因，也提到天然氣發電接近50%，所以天然氣的調度就變成非常重要，現在儲存的法令規範大概要11天，我們目前儲存大概都有12天，從二二八開始，就是戰爭以後到現在為止，都維持在12天以上。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T09:31:30.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:31:44.962000+08:00","text":"調度的部分，3月份、4月份、5月份都已經完成調度，6月份的部分大概有一半也調度完成了，所以就是我們會持續地維持安定性，這樣的話，發電的部分就可以獲得一些確保，沒有問題。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-25T09:31:47.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:32:17.866000+08:00","text":"部長，我們再談到臺灣整體的發電或者是能源的發展，過去包括我們談到所謂的綠能產業，不管是風力發電、太陽能發電、水力發電，甚至氫能發電，臺灣在多元能源的韌性治理上面、在配比上面，我不曉得經濟部是不是也有趁著這一波中東局勢對於全球能源造成的危機，在配比上重新配置？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-25T09:32:18.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:32:20.947000+08:00","text":"或有沒有重新檢討跟調整？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-25T09:32:21.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:32:29.249000+08:00","text":"對於臺灣整體的能源發展上面，有沒有一個更完整的政策，未來可以跟國人說明的？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-25T09:32:29.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:32:29.769000+08:00","text":"有沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T09:32:31.027000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:32:43.197000+08:00","text":"報告委員，因為整個我們用……就像委員剛剛提到的，我們的用電量的確是大幅增加啦，所以，任何只要是安全性的能源，我們都會去嘗試。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T09:32:43.197000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:32:44.098000+08:00","text":"剛剛你提到的再生能源……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-25T09:32:44.098000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T09:32:45.098000+08:00","text":"不是啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-25T09:32:44.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:32:44.878000+08:00","text":"部長，我現在跟你講的不是嘗試的問題……","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T09:32:44.878000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T09:32:45.878000+08:00","text":"對，我知道……","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-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一些國家像瑞典、芬蘭等北歐國家以外，其實還不見得有很明確的答案，其他國家都還在找，那臺灣也會繼續來找，最重要是我們能夠選址。","quality":0.738},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-03-25T09:36:01.055000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:36:06.978000+08:00","text":"低放的部分，我們有一些目標地點，其實我們有在進行當地社區的溝通工作。","quality":1},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-03-25T09:36:07.858000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:36:20.567000+08:00","text":"安全的部分，我們的報告交給核安會，核安會依據過去的慣例，會有一定程度的揭露，就是它審查一個階段會揭露，這個都是公開、透明資訊的一部分。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-25T09:36:21.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:36:46.902000+08:00","text":"好，我的時間也到了，我就不耽誤，但我最後一個小提醒，部長，我覺得在能源安全的議題上面，臺灣一定要有具備自主供應自己能源的這樣一個能力，包括我們對於天然氣的仰賴，或者是其他多元能源替代方案的規劃，我想這個部分經濟部應該要及早去做因應、去做調整。是。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-25T09:36:47.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:37:12.669000+08:00","text":"第二，臺灣自己應該也要有足夠的能力去做油田、天然氣的探採，我知道過去中油有在做，我不知道最近這一段時間，到底中油在這一部分是不是有受到政府的重視，或者是有受到中油自己母公司的重視，在油氣、油田、地熱的探採部分來……董事長您不用上來，因為我時間已經到了。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-25T09:37:12.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:37:24.176000+08:00","text":"我只是要提醒一件事情，對於我們自主能源的安全設定上面，我想經濟部責無旁貸，而且應該要積極加速地進行規劃，好不好？","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T09:37:24.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:37:24.716000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T09:37:25.216000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T09:37:27.216000+08:00","text":"謝謝邱議瑩委員。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T09:37:27.516000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T09:37:37.516000+08:00","text":"邱議瑩委員先等一下，在場委員已足3人，請問各位同仁，上次會議的議事錄有沒有錯誤？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T09:37:37.816000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T09:37:41.244571+08:00","text":"（無）沒有錯誤的話，議事錄確定。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T09:37:41.544571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T09:37:44.687429+08:00","text":"請下一位楊瓊瓔委員，謝謝。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}