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記憶台看它所在的區域如果在市區的話它涵蓋範圍因為怕跟另外一個記憶台的Cell是重複的話在郊區它可以公立開比較大一點它範圍都比較廣像一般郊區鄉下的話其實直徑直徑1到6公里都有可能所以即便是便利店所在郊區但是它服務的範圍其實在郊區的範圍是蠻大的"},{"start":257.259,"end":278.579,"text":"所以會看區域做調整對是嗎好那但是這個去年我看到這個防災基地台的設置的目的就是希望喔我們在一些災禍來臨的時候我們要能夠足夠的信號不管是民眾喔或者是這個救災人員都可以來使用來通信嘛所以呢剛剛提到說這個公率是不是能夠涵蓋整個這個區域喔"},{"start":280.039,"end":305.429,"text":"我不太理解您剛剛在講就是說我們能夠來怎麼樣做更深入的檢討因為您剛剛講的是說我們比較市區的地方因為本來就集體台怕重複那比較偏鄉的地方那我們可能會做一些調整不過呢到底什麼叫偏鄉什麼叫做災害淺市區那我這邊提醒可能就是主委要來做一個瞭解不知道災害發生的時候才發現說這個地方可能要功率更廣那個時候就慢了"},{"start":306.209,"end":312.517,"text":"那再來有一個問題就是說這個單一的GT台到底有沒有去計算過可以容納多少人同時來連線使用"},{"start":314.851,"end":338.318,"text":"這跟機器台業者所持有的頻寬有關係如果頻寬很大的話其實它相對會服務人更多剛剛也補充委員剛剛提到的問題我們找變電所是因為要找韌性變電所本身電力比較風險比較少在變時期的話它還是會有電的其實找公共廠房找公家機關部分我們這麼多年下來總共也找了819"},{"start":339.818,"end":359.172,"text":"主委多加注意一下才能發揮你原來想要做這個的目的功能我想請教一下我們現在已經建置完成多少座的防救災基地台這部分260多台260多台你現在完成了260多台"},{"start":363.883,"end":384.733,"text":"對在哪裡在全台灣大概是偏向為主你全台灣有兩百六十多座那你本來預計要設置多少座那個就看需求那個看需求比方說那一致災地區剛剛委員提到一致災地區我們會跟相關你剛剛跟本席回答說你現在完成了兩百多十兩百多少六十多座的防救災基地台"},{"start":386.112,"end":409.637,"text":"那是高抗災 它的規格跟一般機器台不一樣我知道啊 你現在高抗災就是本席所說的防救災是同一個嘛所以你說你完成260多座對你資料給我好 沒問題在哪裡 你隨便講幾個地方在哪裡有就比方噴箱 那馬廈那邊啊或一隻在地區新竹五峰鄉啊桃園附近鄉那邊大概都會有那所以你給本席辦公室的資料是錯的資料"},{"start":416.965,"end":442.991,"text":"可是分類上我們也許沒有講很清楚到底完成了多少座房在基地台我這邊跟委員報告那個是263台那我們是做到111年然後112年移交給數位部那數位部後來在112年跟113年各補助20台那他未來每年會再補助10台每年10台的一個方式成長"},{"start":443.951,"end":467.99,"text":"就是因為機關改製啦所以喔 主委你當我辦公室跟你調資料問的是你NCC本身做了幾台是這個意思嗎你怎麼可以這樣子講呀防救災集體台難道你做防救災集體台上面還貼著這是數位 數發部做的這個是NCC做的 是這樣子嗎你給這樣的資料給的方式莫名其妙嘛"},{"start":469.907,"end":488.822,"text":"對不對 你防災基地台就全國一致有多少做嘛那你自己要去了解啊你不能說機關改制或者是你今天有銜接或者新設了新部會你就說他是他的我是我的NCC怎麼可以這樣做咧好 我們會把完整的資訊再提供給委員會你要給完整的資訊啊我覺得交通委員會的委員跟你們調資料你給的資訊都是要正確的啊"},{"start":491.496,"end":518.869,"text":"對不對 本來我覺得我們做這個房居在基地台是很重要我們也要加許但是你不可以因為機關改制讓你對這個整個基地台掌控的這個狀況這麼差嘛是不是 如果你掌控這麼差我們跟你要資料你都不能正確知道到底多少做那你怎麼知道你後面還要補多少做呢根本不知道 我們都有掌控只是說同仁比較老實因為委員說要NCC設置的 同仁比較老實NCC設置的算是263台其他是數位部有補助的同仁比較"},{"start":521.092,"end":550.2,"text":"同學比較老實所以提供的是我自己做的多少做就有多少做但是呢 全國現在有多少做反正不是我做的 不關我的事不是這樣的調整一下好不好好 沒問題我們調整一下啦我們要全面掌控嘛所以這個就在記者台才能發揮最大的效益嘛你未來就是在你現在NCC你要再多設的時候你才會知道說其實以前已經有了很多了哪裡有了嘛那不能說把這個拆開啦好不好本席提醒一下好 沒問題辛苦在做但是拜託有些細節要去注意到才會有成效成果出來好不好"},{"start":550.54,"end":550.56,"text":"好謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:11:26.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:11:26.512000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委，有請陳主委。","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T09:11:28.061000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:11:28.162000+08:00","text":"請陳主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:11:35.181000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:11:35.921000+08:00","text":"委員早安。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:11:36.181000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:11:36.442000+08:00","text":"主委早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:11:37.142000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:12:01.472000+08:00","text":"昨天我們看到臺南市警察局破獲了全國第一件LINE假帳號供應商的案件，這是一個張姓嫌犯，因為他以前曾經在是中華電信外包工程師，他發現了市話的漏洞，所以就假冒工程人員潛入大樓的機房，竊取了上千筆的市話號碼，販售給詐騙集團牟利，不法所得大概超過百萬元。","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:12:02.872000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:12:04.633000+08:00","text":"主委知道本席現在所說的這個案件嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:12:05.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:12:06.454000+08:00","text":"有注意到嗎？知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:12:07.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:12:15.422000+08:00","text":"有看到這個案件，那你有沒有去了解一下，這個嫌犯到底是怎麼樣利用大樓電信箱竊取市話號碼？","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:12:15.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:12:23.329000+08:00","text":"過去我們在防詐上一直在提醒每一個個人要小心，而現在既然已進到了社區大樓，這個部分你要怎麼因應？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:12:24.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:12:29.796000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實民國七十幾年以前大概也有一些……","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:12:29.996000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:12:32.358000+08:00","text":"不要跟我講到民國七十幾年的事情，我只有6分鐘的發言時間。","quality":0.72},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:12:32.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:12:45.526000+08:00","text":"是、是、是，這塊簡單來講，新的社區如果有管委會的，像新的電信室等等大概都會有管委會去保管或予以上鎖，所以有些電信業者的設備部分也會上鎖，今天報導的……","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:12:45.807000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:12:48.709000+08:00","text":"主委有沒有跟電信業者開會討論這件事情？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:12:48.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:12:52.091000+08:00","text":"有，我們近期會找電信業者來開會，以找出策進作為。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:12:52.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:12:54.573000+08:00","text":"應該不是近期而是要儘快，好不好？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:12:54.573000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T09:12:55.573000+08:00","text":"好、沒問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:12:55.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:13:01.761000+08:00","text":"而且我覺得這要趕快透過宣導，不管是找電信業者或找警政署開會等等，要趕快去宣導啦！","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:13:03.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:13:12.512000+08:00","text":"關於這個漏洞，民眾在家裡可能想說自己防詐做得好好的，結果莫名其妙可能就變成了幫兇，甚至於將來要負一些法律責任，所以這個事態其實非常嚴重。","quality":0.937},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:13:13.193000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:13:34.997000+08:00","text":"再來，本席知道NCC有跟警政署合作，用詐騙簡訊內容去產出詐騙關鍵字，由電信業者設定關鍵字來攔阻這些詐騙的簡訊，我看到這個成績好像還不錯，也就是說，據NCC統計，113年攔阻了798萬則；114年攔阻2,374萬則；今年到2月，目前則是攔阻了51萬則，成長幅度還算大。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:13:35.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:13:54.670000+08:00","text":"不過，我認為，因為有這麼多的詐騙簡訊，所以我們攔阻到這麼大量，但我相信還有更大的量搞不好還在外面流傳。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:13:56.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:14:06.619000+08:00","text":"還有，道高一尺、魔高一丈，詐騙的簡訊詐騙集團一定會再去更新，而更新、調整詐騙簡訊內容可能會因應著當他一直被破解，他就會一直來做。","quality":0.754},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:14:07.339000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:14:11.623000+08:00","text":"我們NCC跟警政署針對關鍵字更新，到底多久才開一次這樣子的會議？","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:14:13.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:14:16.410000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，在我們的報告裡頭有提到，其實每季都有固定召開大型會議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:14:16.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:14:17.692000+08:00","text":"每一季嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:14:17.692000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:14:23.679000+08:00","text":"那是最基本的，其實我們跟刑事檢察局一些與作業相關的打詐精進會議應該是……","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:14:24.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:14:28.785000+08:00","text":"有沒有考慮在什麼樣的情況，中間會再多加幾次會議？","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:14:30.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:14:32.468000+08:00","text":"會的，CIP那邊若有持續、新的情資告訴我們……","quality":0.526},{"spe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8:00","text":"對、沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:18:00.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:18:02.894000+08:00","text":"所以你說你完成兩百六十多座？對。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:18:03.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:18:03.414000+08:00","text":"請把資料提供給我。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:18:03.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:18:04.394000+08:00","text":"好，沒問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:18:04.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:18:05.395000+08:00","text":"在哪裡有這個基地臺？","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:18:05.395000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:18:06.415000+08:00","text":"你隨便講幾個地方。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:18:07.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:18:14.557000+08:00","text":"比方說那瑪夏、新竹五峰鄉、桃園復興鄉等等的偏鄉，大概都會有。","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:18:14.597000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:18:15.617000+08:00","text":"所以你給本席辦公室的資料是錯的資料？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:18:22.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:18:25.546000+08:00","text":"可能是分類上我們也許沒有講得很清楚，我們會再跟委員辦公室說明。","quality":0.517},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:18:26.746000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:18:28.406000+08:00","text":"到底完成了多少座防災基地臺？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"蔡處長國棟","start":"2026-03-25T09:18:31.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:18:48.991000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，有263臺，然後我們是做到111年，112年移交給數位部，數位部後來在112年跟113年各補助20臺，未來他每年會以補助10臺的方式成長。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:18:48.991000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T09:18:56.216000+08:00","text":"因為機關改制了，在數位部成立之前，NCC做了263臺。","quality":0.238},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:18:56.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:19:01.920000+08:00","text":"主委，當我辦公室跟你調資料時，問的是你NCC本身做了幾臺，是這個意思嗎？是。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:19:01.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:19:03.061000+08:00","text":"你怎麼可以這樣子講啊？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:19:04.682000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:19:10.247000+08:00","text":"難道你做防救災基地臺時上面還會貼著這是數發部做的或者這是NCC做的，是這樣子嗎？","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:19:10.247000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T09:19:11.247000+08:00","text":"我們會把資料補正再提供給委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:19:10.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:19:13.729000+08:00","text":"你這樣給資料的方式真的是莫名其妙！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:19:13.729000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T09:19:16.407000+08:00","text":"我們會改進。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:19:16.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:19:27.856000+08:00","text":"防救災基地臺就是全國一致，總共有多少座，你自己要去了解，不能說什麼機關改制，或者是今天有銜接或者有新設的新部會，就說他是他的、我是我的，NCC怎麼可以這樣做呢？","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:19:28.937000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:19:31.519000+08:00","text":"我們會把完整的資訊再提供給委員辦公室。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:19:31.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:19:32.620000+08:00","text":"你要給完整的資訊啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:19:33.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:19:37.816000+08:00","text":"我覺得交通委員會的委員跟你們調資料，你給的資訊應該都是正確的，對不對？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:19:37.816000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:19:47.881000+08:00","text":"本來你們做這個防救災基地臺很重要，我們也要嘉許，但是你不可以因為機關改制，對整個基地臺掌控的狀況就會這麼差，是不是？","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:19:48.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:19:53.744000+08:00","text":"如果你掌控得這麼差，我們跟你要資料，你都不能正確知道到底多少座，那你怎麼知道後面還要補多少座呢？","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:19:54.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:19:59.567000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們都有掌握，只是說同仁比較老實，因為委員說要NCC設置的……","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:19:59.687000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:20:00.467000+08:00","text":"同仁比較老實？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:20:00.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:20:03.389000+08:00","text":"NCC設置的真的是263臺，其他是數位部有補助。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:20:04.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:20:13.774000+08:00","text":"同仁比較老實，所以提供的就是我自己做了多少座就有多少座，但是全國現在有多少座，反正不是我做的，不關我的事。","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:20:15.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:20:15.234000+08:00","text":"不是這樣子。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:20:15.714000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:20:16.395000+08:00","text":"調整一下好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:20:16.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:20:17.715000+08:00","text":"好，沒問題、沒問題。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:20:17.715000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:20:19.495000+08:00","text":"我們調整一下啦，我們要全面掌控嘛。是。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:20:20.016000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:20:29.758000+08:00","text":"這個救災基地臺才能發揮最大的效益，未來NCC要再多設的時候，你才會知道其實以前已經有很多了、哪裡有了，不能把這個拆開好不好？","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:20:29.998000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:20:30.598000+08:00","text":"本席提醒一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:20:31.079000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:20:32.039000+08:00","text":"好，沒問題，我們改進。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-25T09:20:32.039000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:20:36.180000+08:00","text":"辛苦在做，但是拜託，有些細節要去注意到才會有成效、成果出來，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:20:36.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:20:36.560000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。謝謝。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T09:20:37.060000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T09:20:40.488571+08:00","text":"謝謝萬美玲委員、謝謝陳主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T09:20:40.788571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T09:20:46.217143+08:00","text":"請問各位委員，對上次會議議事錄有沒有意見？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T09:20:46.517143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T09:20:49.374286+08:00","text":"（無）好，那我們議事錄確定。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T09:20:49.674286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T09:20:52.817143+08:00","text":"接下來請洪孟楷委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}