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立法院是不擔當的不被這個黑鍋整個責任在行政院我還是要在這裡再重複的一個說明那我在這裡再請教"},{"start":337.435,"end":354.489,"text":"我們ACC過去跟韓國的一個KCC就是他們的廣播通訊委員會也都有業務的聯繫韓國在去年它的KCC整個重新打掉重念"},{"start":355.47,"end":383.007,"text":"改成了KMCC整個是重新把數位媒體平台整個納進來然後他在他的一個這個人事的一個部分委員的任命也是採取朝野共同推薦的一個機制這樣的一個過程我請教陳代理主委你對韓國這樣的改革你了解嗎"},{"start":387.262,"end":397.555,"text":"你覺得我們今天NCC如果乾脆就打掉重練以韓國這樣的例子你覺得有沒有機會"},{"start":398.797,"end":406.807,"text":"我覺得各國國情不一樣但是可以討論可以共同討論國情不一樣可以共同討論那你是認為就是有可以運用這樣的模式來"},{"start":415.758,"end":437.326,"text":"來打交通鏈嘛因為他的委員啊他基本上由朝野共同推薦那這樣的過程產生上是一個又獨立又公正的一個單位嘛這樣的模式我在這邊也提出來他算支持韓國這樣的的一個模式我們真的可以來參考"},{"start":439.427,"end":446.293,"text":"我們NCC的改革這是我的建議另外我還有一個議題目前我們低軌衛星已經變成新的一個詐騙的一個工具這樣的一個技術跟設備"},{"start":459.986,"end":478.91,"text":"那我想我們在今年台灣已經有這樣的例子了嘛在台中有這樣的一個利用星鏈這樣的一個低軌衛星形成一個詐騙的一個這樣的案子那我要請教我們陳代理主委我們NCC這邊對這樣利用低軌衛星的技術來規避傳統的電信監管那成為一個"},{"start":487.253,"end":491.843,"text":"打炸的一個破口我們NCC有沒有掌握到這樣的一個"},{"start":493.462,"end":520.461,"text":"情況所以跟我們報告兩點第一點這個螢幕所顯示的他的低軌衛星他是在泰國那邊使用目前國內是沒辦法落地沒辦法使用那韋玉提到重點就是說治安國安這個確實是重點他現在因為信念他在我們台灣還沒有合法因為我們有一些限制因為未落地在我們台灣因為我們有一些限制"},{"start":521.121,"end":541.232,"text":"外國人投資行業要求他要設立子公司的方式在台灣嘛但是我們的這個法令我們的電信管理法規定我們外國人不能超過49%的股份比例所以行業沒辦法落地就成就形成他為合法"},{"start":541.892,"end":557.177,"text":"在台灣但是我們還是可以在國外購買的到這樣的一個設備變成一個最正式的一個跨區使用才會形成這樣的一個灰色的一個地帶那在這裡我是不是請AC經營這邊應該要確實的一個權衡跟掌握"},{"start":563.971,"end":584.076,"text":"這邊我們都有持續在密切追蹤你跟我們報告如果新的設備在國外買拿到台灣來用它涉及到觸犯了一個違反設計持有衛星地球平台所以必須要有作為實務上其實在拿到台灣目前也不能用它會鎖定GPS那個方位那不對的話我要跟主委講"},{"start":586.337,"end":608.189,"text":"我要請NCC正式這樣的一個監管的一個斷層這樣的一個詐騙的一個不要讓犯罪集團他的詐騙已經在太空通訊都在用了那我們NCC的監管還在SIM卡的一個時代我們要跟進這樣的這一個科技的一個"},{"start":609.25,"end":618.336,"text":"這是一個更新嘛NCC要跟著動嘛 謝謝總召這邊我們確實都很重視我們希望國人同胞針對這個詐騙我們NCC作為最前面的一個機制我們要去控管不要再讓我們的國人受到我們這樣新的吸引的詐騙的一個工具來蒙受我們詐騙的損失"},{"start":640.139,"end":640.782,"text":"會,一定會的好,謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:36:37.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:36:39.655000+08:00","text":"主席，請陳代理主委，謝謝。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T09:36:40.716000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:36:40.856000+08:00","text":"請陳主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:36:40.856000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T09:36:51.416000+08:00","text":"委員，早安。早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:36:51.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:37:18.759000+08:00","text":"剛剛孟楷委員──上一次的召委特別提到衛星廣播電視法的修法，這是我們立法院三讀通過的，但是我們的行政院長不副署，以致於衛廣法的修法沒辦法依照程序執行而受到擱置。","quality":0.787},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:37:20.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:37:57.508000+08:00","text":"但是在三讀通過的時候有一個附帶決議，就是NCC要在6個月之內徵詢各界意見，包括閱聽大眾、專家學者、廣電業者，然後啟動修法程序，要求NCC提出修法版本。","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:37:58.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:38:05.812000+08:00","text":"我請教陳代理主委，有沒有在進行這樣的徵詢意見？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:38:05.812000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:38:08.914000+08:00","text":"有沒有啟動修法版本的研擬？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:38:10.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:38:10.371000+08:00","text":"有沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:38:11.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:38:15.053000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，分兩點回報委員……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:38:15.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:38:17.714000+08:00","text":"好，你說。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:38:18.315000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:38:30.520000+08:00","text":"第一個，針對附帶決議的內容，其實NCC本來就有持續在更新、在處理，針對法制體制上，因為行政院沒有副署，後續要怎麼處理，這邊……","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:38:32.781000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:38:34.001000+08:00","text":"6個月的時間給你研議？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:38:34.001000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T09:38:35.001000+08:00","text":"我可不可以請……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:38:34.402000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:38:37.103000+08:00","text":"有沒有確定要研擬修法的版本？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:38:38.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:38:39.567000+08:00","text":"可不可以請我們法務處長來回答？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:38:39.567000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T09:38:45.010000+08:00","text":"好，請處長簡要回答。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡處長志儒","start":"2026-03-25T09:38:45.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:38:49.311000+08:00","text":"因為相關法案行政院現在不副署，所以……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:38:49.311000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T09:38:50.721500+08:00","text":"這個跟副署……","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡處長志儒","start":"2026-03-25T09:38:50.721500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T09:38:52.132000+08:00","text":"附帶決議的部分……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:38:52.132000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:39:14.079000+08:00","text":"和行政院不副署沒關係，並沒有牽涉到法案本身實質的部分，那只是在修法過程當中的一個附帶決議，就是要你去徵詢意見、要你提出修法的版本，跟法案的本質並沒有關係，所以跟不副署沒關係，不要用這個當理由。","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:39:14.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:39:15.360000+08:00","text":"有沒有在進行？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡處長志儒","start":"2026-03-25T09:39:16.421000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:39:19.623000+08:00","text":"針對附帶決議的部分，這是立法院所做的……對啊！","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"蔡處長志儒","start":"2026-03-25T09:39:19.623000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T09:39:21.044000+08:00","text":"基本上行政機關會尊重……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:39:21.044000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:39:23.806000+08:00","text":"附帶決議也是要你們要去遵循的。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"蔡處長志儒","start":"2026-03-25T09:39:25.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:39:30.170000+08:00","text":"剛剛主委也有報告，其實我們針對相關法案也都持續在做……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:39:30.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:39:33.292000+08:00","text":"6個月之內要提出，好不好？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:39:33.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:39:34.433000+08:00","text":"這個就是附帶決議的執行。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:39:34.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:39:34.573000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:39:38.654000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:40:10.280000+08:00","text":"在這邊我也一直關心NCC即將團滅，我在對行政院長總質詢時也提出了NCC的人事問題，現在既有的委員應該是在7月任期期滿，行政院到現在都還沒有提出NCC委員被提名人的人選嘛！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:40:10.861000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:40:13.944000+08:00","text":"照組織法是要在4月底以前提名，4月底以前的提名……","quality":0.65},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:40:14.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:40:21.612000+08:00","text":"對，所以4月底以前一定要提名，4月底以前假如沒提名，可能就有團滅的危機對不對？是。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:40:24.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:41:12.210000+08:00","text":"我想請教，到4月底才要提，行政院提名完之後還要立法院行使同意權，這樣的時程……當然法定是三個月之前要提，我請教陳代理主委，針對4月底的提名，如果被提名人在專業上、在公正上，一樣還是為政黨服務，結果行政院雖然提名了，立法院還是沒有同意，請問NCC是不是就沒辦法運作？","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:41:13.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:41:21.738000+08:00","text":"如果沒辦法運作，你現在身為代理主委，有沒有什麼樣的積極作為要跟行政院溝通？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:41:24.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:41:31.722000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，以現在人數不足的情況之下，我們是儘可能把可以授權的事項在這段期間儘快處理，那……","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:41:31.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:41:31.982000+08:00","text":"儘快的處理？","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:41:32.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:41:32.523000+08:00","text":"所以你也已經預估到可能會團滅嘛！","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:41:32.683000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:42:03.951000+08:00","text":"NCC未來可能完全無法運作，如果無法運作，然後對人民權益產生損害，我在這裡要表達，立法院不背這個黑鍋，整個責任在行政院，我還是要在這裡重複的說明。","quality":0.924},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:42:05.273000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:42:44.882000+08:00","text":"我再請教，NCC過去跟韓國的KCC（韓國廣播通訊委員會）也都有業務的聯繫，去年韓國的KCC整個打掉重練，改成KMCC，重新把數位媒體平臺整個納進來，然後在它的人事部分，委員的任命也是採取朝野共同推薦的機制。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:42:48.044000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:42:53.007000+08:00","text":"我請教陳代理主委，你對韓國這樣的改革有了解嗎？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:42:53.007000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T09:42:58.163000+08:00","text":"你知道嗎？知道。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:42:58.163000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:43:07.555000+08:00","text":"就這樣的模式，你覺得今天我們的NCC如果乾脆打掉重練，以韓國這樣的例子，你覺得有沒有機會？","quality":0.756},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:43:08.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:43:11.721000+08:00","text":"我覺得各國國情不一樣，但是可以公開共同討論，當然……","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:43:11.721000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:43:13.383000+08:00","text":"國情不一樣，但是可以共同討論？","quality":0.462},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:43:14.344000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:43:25.758000+08:00","text":"所以你是認為可以運用這樣的模式來打掉重練嗎？","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:43:27.539000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:43:37.762000+08:00","text":"因為它的委員基本上是由朝野共同推薦，透過這樣的過程產生，它是一個既獨立又公正的單位。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:43:38.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:43:54.091000+08:00","text":"針對這樣的模式，我在這邊也要提出他山之石，韓國這樣的模式，我們真的可以參考，啟動我們NCC的改革，這是我的建議。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:43:54.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:44:23.649000+08:00","text":"另外我還有一個議題，目前低軌衛星的技術跟設備已經變成新的詐騙工具，其實今年臺灣已經有這樣的例子了，在臺中有利用星鏈低軌衛星形成詐騙的案子。","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:44:24.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:44:43.663000+08:00","text":"所以我也要請教陳代理主委，對於利用低軌衛星的技術來規避傳統的電信監管，成為打詐的破口，NCC有沒有掌握到這樣的情況？","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹：跟委員報告兩點","start":"2026-03-25T09:44:45.624000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:44:53.089000+08:00","text":"第一點，螢幕所顯示的低軌衛星，他是在泰國那邊使用，目前國內是沒有辦法落地、沒有辦法使用。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹：跟委員報告兩點","start":"2026-03-25T09:44:54.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:44:59.093000+08:00","text":"委員也提到一個重點，資安、國安確實是重點。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:44:59.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:45:05.838000+08:00","text":"現在星鏈在臺灣還沒有合法，因為我們有一些限制。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:45:07.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:45:47.157000+08:00","text":"它尚未在臺灣落地，主要是因為我們有一些限制，如果外國人投資星鏈，我們要求他要在臺灣設立子公司，因為我們的電信管理法規定外國人不能超過49%的股份比例，所以星鏈沒辦法落地就會形成它在臺灣尚未合法，但我們還是可以在國外買得到這樣的設備，變成非正式的跨區使用，才會形成這樣的灰色地帶，我認為NCC應該要確實的權衡跟掌握，對不對？","quality":0.757},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:45:53.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:45:57.012000+08:00","text":"有，我們都有持續在密切追蹤。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:45:57.132000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:46:05.614000+08:00","text":"也跟委員報告，如果在國外買星鏈設備拿到臺灣來用，他觸犯了設置、持有衛星地球電臺相關法令，這是有罰則的。","quality":0.565},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:46:06.634000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:46:09.235000+08:00","text":"所以你們必須要有作為啊！","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:46:09.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:46:13.496000+08:00","text":"實務上來講，其實目前拿到臺灣來也不能用，因為它會鎖定GPS的方位，如果不對的話就不能用。","quality":0.65},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:46:13.496000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:46:34.227000+08:00","text":"我要跟主委講，我要請NCC正視這樣的監管斷層以及這樣的詐騙，不要變成犯罪集團的詐騙連太空通訊都在用了，而NCC的監管還在SIM卡的時代。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:46:34.227000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T09:46:35.227000+08:00","text":"是，沒錯……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:46:34.748000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:46:40.251000+08:00","text":"我們要跟進這樣的科技更新嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:46:40.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:46:42.012000+08:00","text":"NCC要跟著動，對不對？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:46:42.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:46:42.993000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝總召，我們確實都很重視這個問題，法遵及通訊監察我們都希望能夠維護。","quality":0.485},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:46:43.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:46:48.316000+08:00","text":"針對詐騙，NCC作為最前面的機制，你們一定要去控管，不要再讓我們的國人受到這種新型詐騙的恐懼、承受詐騙的損失，好不好？","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:47:10.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:47:10.521000+08:00","text":"會，一定會的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T09:47:10.762000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T09:47:10.782000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T09:47:11.282000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T09:47:13.567714+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，謝謝總召。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T09:47:13.867714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T09:47:18.153429+08:00","text":"謝謝陳清龍召委的質詢，也謝謝主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T09:47:18.453429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T09:47:21.596286+08:00","text":"接下來請李昆澤委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}