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它的領取 它的補給我不曉得教育部有沒有做過了解我想報告委員就是有關偏鄉我們是採取彈性工藝的措施"},{"start":621.005,"end":635.818,"text":"譬如說針對偏鄉地區它的商業通路不足所以我們可以依學生的實際需求是由學校統一來採購發放實體的用品所以你會發現那個地圖的少但事實上是由學校我們的方式是因地制宜由學校統一採購統一發放"},{"start":637.459,"end":652.015,"text":"那因為我這邊也想要了解得知學校的一個發放狀況還有哪一些學校是負責發放對再提供一份書面資料給我那這一次我們都很多委員都有針對這個部分希望"},{"start":652.876,"end":669.021,"text":"教育部已經實施三年我們把它正式的來修進我們的學生衛生法裡面也希望我們教育部的態度是支持的在這邊次長沒有問題吧我們方向都一致好 謝謝也謝謝主席"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}