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包委員我們有496筆是有定MIL殘留農水量對 所以規範的品項有496筆在動物用藥在食品添加物的管控的品項有多少我們也有800多筆的所以804筆嘛 對不對農藥殘留量或者是免訂定殘留量或者是禁用的農藥加起來有多少筆"},{"start":495.733,"end":520.598,"text":"報告員大概有8000多筆8236所以A加B加C現有對於食安的管控對於動物用藥的禁令食品添加物的禁令到農藥的禁令APC加起來目前要管控也在管控的有9536項所以這一次修法如果只挑一項以行獸體素一項"},{"start":521.858,"end":538.971,"text":"那麼不就掛一漏萬了嗎更重要的是沒有造成掛一漏萬跌床加屋的修法之前我們政策有沒有做到有效控管以行受抵訴對不對有嘛所以說我再一次我們非常理性的對話9536品項要管制的"},{"start":544.315,"end":571.322,"text":"残留量的各项的食材的安全不能够也不应该只针对一项乙型受体素更重要的是没有入法也已经做到不可能让乙型受体素来流入校园的食材所以我们理性的看待否则我真的很担心修法挂一漏万选择性针对性的修法会造成了对于食安的专业管理反而是造成了副作用"},{"start":572.242,"end":599.817,"text":"我們是不是在重申這樣的立場那今天很遺憾時間有限對於心理健康跟生理用品我們過去努力很多我下次有機會再來追尋大家所以我們把正確的訊息告訴大家我們正確的來試讀讓大家安心該做的校園食材的把關我們只會越做越好越管越嚴朝野的立委一起來理性監督好 謝謝大家師傅一些主席給我時間 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進建置了一個校園豬肉儀表板，這也是統計到昨天，臺灣豬百分之百、進口豬零，所以孩子在校園吃的每一口肉、每一口食材，百分之百是臺灣原產，大家可以安心。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-25T11:10:23.682000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:10:25.723000+08:00","text":"下一頁，為什麼可以做到這個？","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-25T11:10:26.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:10:33.529000+08:00","text":"我真的謝謝張廖次長、謝謝彭署長當時一起推動，因為我們政策上給蘿蔔也給棍子。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-25T11:10:34.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:10:41.239000+08:00","text":"給蘿蔔就是提高食材的補助，過去每餐補助一個孩子3.5塊，現在是到10塊了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-03-25T11:10:45.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:10:45.895000+08:00","text":"10塊，現在回歸到地方。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-25T11:10:45.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:10:47.797000+08:00","text":"偏鄉是14元。14塊，對。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-25T11:10:48.737000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:10:53.942000+08:00","text":"好，這是在財劃法修正之前，中央已經做到的水平。是。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-25T11:10:55.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:11:14.760000+08:00","text":"有蘿蔔，所以學校有了補助，就可以有更多的誘因去買百分之百的MIT的食材，否則他拿不到這個補助嘛；給棍子就是我們全面啟動臺灣有史以來最大規模的校園食材採購契約的修改，總共3,368校。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-25T11:11:15.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:11:34.514000+08:00","text":"我還記得那時候是彭署長到我辦公室，我們抱著厚厚的契約一頁、一頁看，這個要改，那個要改，就是為了做到滴水不漏，違規的廠商如果敢有任何一口非MIT的食材，他就要終止契約，get out。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-25T11:11:34.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:11:45.779000+08:00","text":"所以有蘿蔔也有棒子，現在的三章一Q，張廖次長應該很熟悉，2019年您站在這個位置的時候，您在質詢的時候，那個時候三章一Q的食材比例……","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-03-25T11:11:45.779000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:11:46.779000+08:00","text":"不到六成。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-25T11:11:46.679000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:11:47.800000+08:00","text":"普及率只有55%，現在是多少了？98.83%……","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-25T11:11:47.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:11:48.060000+08:00","text":"98.83%，我們努力……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-03-25T11:11:53.922000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:11:55.263000+08:00","text":"應該是98.9%了啦，應該……","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-25T11:11:55.263000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:11:57.544000+08:00","text":"應該是98.9%了，已經99%了，繼續努力。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-25T11:11:58.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:12:10.649000+08:00","text":"再下一頁，我們持續地來盯緊這些作為，持續地控管把關進口豬肉、基改食品，不可能、不應該、不可以流入校園。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-25T11:12:12.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:12:25.019000+08:00","text":"最後下一頁，但是修法是我們現在要面對的，我要再一次地提醒，修法不能差別待遇，不應當針對性的修法，否則真的是掛一漏萬。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-25T11:12:25.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:12:35.408000+08:00","text":"我在這裡要請教衛福部，目前在臺灣管制動物用藥的管控，要管控的有多少？","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"許組長朝凱","start":"2026-03-25T11:12:36.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:12:42.683000+08:00","text":"是，報告委員，我們有496筆是有訂MRL（最大殘留容許量）……","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-25T11:12:43.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:12:51.350000+08:00","text":"對，所以在動物用藥規範的品項有496筆，在食品添加物的管控品項有多少？","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"許組長朝凱","start":"2026-03-25T11:12:51.631000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:12:52.832000+08:00","text":"我們也有八百多筆的食品添加物……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-25T11:12:53.052000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:12:56.795000+08:00","text":"所以有804筆嘛，對不對？是。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-25T11:12:56.795000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:13:01.399000+08:00","text":"農藥殘留量或者是免訂定殘留量或者是禁用的農藥加起來多少筆？","quality":1},{"speaker":"許組長朝凱","start":"2026-03-25T11:13:02.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:13:03.853000+08:00","text":"報告委員，大概有八千多筆。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-25T11:13:04.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:13:20.977000+08:00","text":"8,236筆，所以A加B加C，現有對於食安的管控，包括對於動物用藥的禁令、食品添加物的禁令到農藥的禁令，A、B、C加起來，目前要管控也在管控的有9,536項。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-25T11:13:20.977000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:13:32.101000+08:00","text":"所以這一次修法如果只挑一項，乙型受體素一項，那麼不就掛一漏萬了嗎？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-25T11:13:32.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:13:40.487000+08:00","text":"更重要的是，沒有造成掛一漏萬、疊床交屋的修法之前，我們的政策有沒有做到有效的控管乙型受體素？","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-03-25T11:13:40.487000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:13:42.368000+08:00","text":"已經有了嘛。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-25T11:13:42.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:13:43.149000+08:00","text":"對不對？有嘛。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-25T11:13:43.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:14:21.623000+08:00","text":"所以我再一次，我們非常理性的對話，9,536品項要管制的各項殘留量，要管控的食材安全，不能夠也不應該只針對一項乙型受體素，更重要的是，沒有入法也已經做到不可能讓乙型受體素來流入校園的食材，所以我們理性的看待，否則我真的很擔心修法掛一漏萬，選擇性、針對性的修法，會對於食安的專業管理反而造成了副作用，我們是不是再重申這樣的立場。","quality":0.76},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-25T11:14:21.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:14:28.887000+08:00","text":"今天很遺憾，因時間有限，對於心理健康跟生理用品的提供，我們過去努力很多，我下次有機會再來垂詢大家。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-03-25T11:14:28.887000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:14:30.248000+08:00","text":"我們逐條的時候可以再討論。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-25T11:14:30.248000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:14:44.436000+08:00","text":"所以我們把正確的訊息告訴大家，我們正確的來識讀，讓大家安心，該做的校園食材的把關，我們只會越做越好、越管越嚴，朝野的立委一起來理性監督。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-25T11:14:45.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:14:46.817000+08:00","text":"謝謝大家，辛苦了，也謝謝主席給我時間，謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-03-25T11:14:47.317000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:14:48.745571+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:14:49.045571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:14:51.902714+08:00","text":"謝謝吳思瑤委員的發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:14:52.202714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:14:56.202714+08:00","text":"我們有請下一位委員吳沛憶委員。",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